As I've said I don't expect him to start so I mean from the bench. If it's not Gignac who is brought on, it's Martial. Ergo, direct competition.
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That's non-sense to me. Germany will be the first major test for France. So far, the team has been overwhelmingly superior to their opponents talent wise. The Germany game will be crucial in the judgement of Deschamps. You can say the result is only secondary in that judgement, because football can simply go that way, but whether France will be set up for success and gain control over the match will depend on Deschamps' decision. Make no mistake, that's where he will and deserves to be judged.
As for Martial, I've said before that this is how you pretty much have to manage in big tournaments. You try to give everybody a fair chance in the group stages, but by the elimination round you need a small amount of players you can trust. Unfortunately for Martial, he had a poor 45 minutes against Albania, which was the nail in the coffin for him. Coman has hardly impressed either, but at least has been solid, so gets the nod over him. It's irrelevant whether Martial is possibly the better player, Coman is simply more trustworthy in the eyes of Deschamps right now, who is under major pressure to win the tournament (rightfully so). It doesn't help Martial that Payet has surprised many and that Griezmann, probably their best player up front, has shown balls of steel in key moments.
The one mistake I will say Deschamps has made is not giving Martial 10 to 15 more minutes in the second half of the Albania game to see whether he can turn it around with a bit of criticism and advice at half time. It seemed like a rushed decision and I think that rushed decision is probably the reason some believe he never really rated Martial that highly in the first place.
Irrespective of Martial, the decision to continue to trust Gignac is cringeworthy to me. I understand Deschamps likes a target man up front and aside of Giroud, that's his only option in that regard, but if that's the case, I would contemplate a slightly adjusted gameplan because Gignac is simply not the quality you need up there.
Cantona doesn't like him does he? If he doesnt then neither do I.
You people that say "well atleast he is resting and wont get injured" - Would it not have been better for him to not go euros all together and join up with the squad for a propper preason?
As it stands, he will have a 3 week break after this week. Joins the squad in the first week of August. That pretty much rules him out of the charity shield and im sure he wont be ready to play in the first game vs Bournemouth on the 13th.
Over to you Memphis...
As it stands, he will have a 3 week break after this week. Joins the squad in the first week of August. That pretty much rules him out of the charity shield and im sure he wont be ready to play in the first game vs Bournemouth on the 13th.
Over to you Memphis...
That sounds like the English philosophy though.
This French team is set up to play in a certain way. Their manager has them playing in a manner that's getting good results. Gignac is a like for like replacement for that system. I think fair play to him for sticking to his plan when needed.
Far better to have 11 players knowing a system rather than adjusting to fit better players in and players having to adapt.
I still think he's a tactically flexible coach, he does switch it up when needed. But he's clearly worked out his blueprint for Plan A.
It's not just about the tournament though, he's been making sensible choices since he took over. Like I said, whatever happens against Germany (it will be a very tight match), Deschamps will be appreciated like rarely a french coach has been in the last 10-15 years.
Not giving Martial more minutes isn't a mistake, I only see this spouted on Utd boards
. You would think Deschamps is preventing a Ballon d'Or from playing. The french fans, the medias, no one care that much about Martial as long as the team doesn't need and France hasn't truly needed him so far. Whatever he can bring can be covered and better at the moment with Payet and Coman.THE mistake Deschamps may have made is not taking another striker instead of Schneiderlin because Gignac, despite his goals in Mexico, is just not up to the level anymore. Morgan is pointless, again what he can bring is easily and better covered by others.
Cantona can be known to have stupid opinions though.
Coman is ahead of him in the pecking order and like you said "You need your game changers to be ready/on form when they are needed." That and the fact that Giroud and Koscielny had yellow cards and could have been suspended for the Semi final. There is your explanation.
Martial will be the last option to play as a striker, Griezmann is still ahead of him when it comes to playing as a striker so he isn't truly Gignac's direct competition.
Every big player have video clips from big tournaments as young lads sitting on the bench like they're no one. This only makes me more certain he will succeed.
That's simply false. There is no rigid rule for substitutions, you adapt for the game. I've seen strikers or wingers pulled off for centre mids, and vice versa. If gignac isn't brought on, perhaps sissoko is brought on? Martial would never come on if France are looking to close out a game, and as we've seen, if France are looking to recover from a deficit, deschamps goes to coman, then gignac, then the rest (martial/sissoko etc). But to say that there is a strict rule that if gignac doesn't come on, martial does, is not true.
Except Low doesn't use a second striker in the mold of Gomez and instead has thrown Draxler or Gotze up there for the number 9 role. Hence it is possible to adjust without throwing your entire game plan overboard if some players are significantly better than others.
Because we don't have another one. The situation on number 9s is absolutely dire over here. We don't even have anything in the pipeline for the coming years.
It's Gomez or bust. So, when he's not available we have to make do with different set ups. More often than not, we performed on a lower level than with a true target man like Klose or Gomez.
The less he plays the better for us, he needs a break after carrying our attack last season. He will get his chance on the international stage, Payet and Giroud won't be around for much longer and he's better than Coman.
That's exactly my point. You don't have any quality available when it comes to strikers in the mold of Gomez. Low wouldn't nominate somebody like Gignac just for the sake of having another player type like him available.
If we had someone on Gignacs level, he'd be in the squad. He might not be a triple A player, but he's good enough to warrant the attention of a defense, and has a strong physical presence.
Our next best No9 is Sandro Wagner, a prototype transhuman donkey who played for Darmstadt, a relegation team with the budget of one your 3rd league teams.
But he nominated Podolski.
who is easily a worse player than Gignac.Don't think anyone believes in that, he's just made irrational decisions after France were 4-0 up. Future (Germany game) will show if he's right, he may well be seeing none of his crucial players got injured (tons of crunching tackles from Iceland) so perhaps luck can be on his side and none of said players will be knackered ,3 days after, to play the game of their lives.Owned!
Can't believe people buy into Deschamps' discrimination case.
And as for some already boring suggestions from the French on here, not many people were saying 'just put Martial on you stupid feck' but more like 'why aren't you taking one or two important players at the interval and other(s) after an hour'?
Its as simple as this for me. Lets just say United had a player like Andy Carroll for next season, I would still much rather have Rashford coming on for Ibra rather than him.
You can't compare club season with an international tournament. You can throw League Cup, FA Cup games, even lesser PL games away for your youngsters. With international games, you need every chance to hone your playing plan and build belief among team members. Thing is pretty much set in motion before the tournament. And in tournament it's more of sticking to plan than figuring a new plan. See what happened to England who still can't find a plan into the knock out round? Shuffling playing style and players did any help to boost England belief?
As underwhelming as Portugal, as long as they keep up with their "don't lose plan" they have every chance to the final, even fancy winning it.
National team don't develop players during tournament. They relies on federation to plan the direction of talent and clubs to develop players for them. They use qualifier and friendly to choose the best squad and experiment to pick the best playing style. That's all to it.
I said when Rashford was picked into the squad that I rather him stayed home and started full pre seasoned with Mourinho as it would benefit him more than exposed to current England team under Hodgson. The environment under Hodgson doesn't look good, so that kind of experience is not so valuable.
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Not going to address the fact you've pulled in Andy Carroll from somewhere.
France have a system that has a good target man that facilitates their wide, creative forwards space to play in. Ordinarily they'd have Benzema who would play the same role as Giroud, and probably leave Giroud as the back up.
They currently play a system like Madrid. Centre forward with two wide forwards wreaking havoc. Putting Martial up top would potentially lessen the impact of Payet and Griezmann.
Frances two best attacking players of the tournament are thriving. It would be madness for Deschamps to mess with that.
I'd criticise him for starting Gignac up top and Giroud wide left. But he's not doing that. He's got good players playing very well offensively.
Maybe by the next World Cup you'll see France playing a more fluid front three as Barca do, with no target man as such. But for this tournament, they wont screw with whats working.
It's not just about the tournament though, he's been making sensible choices since he took over. Like I said, whatever happens against Germany (it will be a very tight match), Deschamps will be appreciated like rarely a french coach has been in the last 10-15 years.
Not giving Martial more minutes isn't a mistake, I only see this spouted on Utd boards
THE mistake Deschamps may have made is not taking another striker instead of Schneiderlin because Gignac, despite his goals in Mexico, is just not up to the level anymore. Morgan is pointless, again what he can bring is easily and better covered by others.
Cantona can be known to have stupid opinions though.
Coman is ahead of him in the pecking order and like you said "You need your game changers to be ready/on form when they are needed." That and the fact that Giroud and Koscielny had yellow cards and could have been suspended for the Semi final. There is your explanation.
Martial will be the last option to play as a striker, Griezmann is still ahead of him when it comes to playing as a striker so he isn't truly Gignac's direct competition.
Great response, appreciated mate.
Good luck against the Germans - allez les bleus
You clearly weren't reading posts IMHO. What irrational decision did Deschamps make ?
I picked Andy Carroll as an example for a supposed like for like change with Ibra. Compared to Rashford changing for Ibra.
I guess this is my main point of disagreement. I don't think replacing Giroud with Martial will be that detrimental to how Payet and Griezeman are playing.
Now is not the time to find out...
5-1 up in a game isn't the time to find out?
He's not been playing but imo just being part of this group of players seems to be an amazing learning experience.
Morale seems quite high ,and Deschamps has been done a wonderful job here so far. Think of the nonsense like Knysna in the past and it's just amazing how the Benzema saga didn't crack them .
Morale seems quite high ,and Deschamps has been done a wonderful job here so far. Think of the nonsense like Knysna in the past and it's just amazing how the Benzema saga didn't crack them .
I'm not too bothered, as long he comes back fit. We have a long season ahead!
They're playing better, certainly, without Deschamps squeezing every good player into the side. Surprised he's not getting time killing minutes though given his control and pace, but so be it. Will make him hungry to focus on our season
Exactly
Deschamp seems to be doing the exact thing that a lot of England fans have complained about. He has built a team rather than individuals.
Martial will learn from this . Ronaldo didn't even play at the 94 world cup.
I think he should be playing though. For most of the game Payet really doesn't do much. Yeah sometimes he comes up with some wonder goal but Martial could have ripped Kimmich a new one.
Coman usually comes on if they make changes though, Martial should get a chance at least though
Yeah he does. Either would be good. Coman probably should be ahead of Martial as he has played better for France. That's understandable given Martial's fatigue.
Coman has the advantage of pbeing able to play in the left and right.
Anyway, I hope the experience fires him up. I am sure he's going to be one of the first names on the team sheet soon.
Anyway, I hope the experience fires him up. I am sure he's going to be one of the first names on the team sheet soon.
No injury and just one more game to go - excellent!
this.
Honestly, I dont mind him not playing. He seems tired and hopefully will get a proper rest soon. Wasnt he also slightly injured?
Martial and paddys job is to tap Pogba up. Martial wasn't good when he played but he's shown fair quality in his games pre tournament. I think Martial should get some minutes in the final. Coman hasn't really set the world alight either.
Why do people say it's good he's having rest. He's training as hard as the rest of the team. Game experience would've been invaluable for him. Stop saying he's having "rest".
Hey relax fella, you need a rest guy.
He played a lot of football and you cant go on and train all the time. He looked jaded. Dont know why that's so hard to understand. All our players were requested to take a 3 weeks break as well
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