It was getting-your-coat-handed-to-you stuff, but at the same time a once in a life time opportunity. I'm just glad someone picked up on it
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sorry but that performance was borderline worst player on the field
Sell him.
You can't seriously believe that though? First you have to look at the role of Januzaj and ADM, then you see that they were supposed to hug the side line and that is how LVG nearly always sets out his wingers. It isn't very entertaining at all and usually has its victims(Ribery/Januzaj/ADM) but to say he was that bad is a bit ridiculous. ADM had tied most successful dribbles in the game with Hazard at eleven(According to the Chalkboard at whoscored).
The difference is that 8 out of 11 dribbles for Hazard were made in the centre of the pitch, where being capable of going on either side of your opponent makes a successful dribble much easier. ADM only had 3 out of 11 successful dribbles, centrally which shows that he was restricted to a "out and out-winger" role.
According to the "old" statistics on Whoscored, ADM had 3 successful dribbles out of Uniteds total of 5 and Hazard 7 out of Chelsea's 15. To that ADM had 5 key passes, as many as Cesch, Hazard and Oscar together. Januzaj and Mata had 3 each, which put them on shared second place in that regard in the match as the fourth best was Hazard/Cesc/Drogba/Rafael on 2.
Claiming he was the worst on the pitch is just stupid I hope you realize that yourself. It is hard to see someone you expect to dominate the game, be quite invisible and just part of the team but factually he was definitely not the worst on the pitch kind of bad.
Well according to those "statistics" how many times did he lose the ball? I also said he was "borderline" worst player on the field not outright worst player on the field. If not him, then which other player was he better than by a considerable margin? keep in mind this is only accounting for our players, not Chelsea's. I like him, criticism must be consistent and without bias. If that was Young, Nani or even Valencia they would be getting slaughtered.
Dispossessed once and had one unsuccessful touch with lead to losing the ball. So two times over the course of a game which is actually quite good. The same amount as Januzaj who was said to play it really safe and smart. One less than Rafael, Fellaini and RVP.
Hazard lost the ball 9 times during the game to put it in perspective.
Now now, no need to twist facts to make things seem better than they are. We all know there are many ways to lose the ball than from "being dispossessed" or "having an unsuccessful touch." Like I said it is important to stay consistent without bias when judging players. Let's just say if you watched the match, "claiming he [only lost the ball two times] is just stupid, I hope you realize that yourself."
To put it in perspective,
RVP lost it 3 times
Fellaini lost it 8 times
Rafael lost it around 9-10 times
Januzaj lost it around 11-14 times
As for Di Maria ... well you can see for yourself
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...er-stats/46497/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Yes he probably was one of our worst players but who cares? He's been our bes player so far this season and Sunday was his first poor game.
He was still decent on Sunday, it's just because people are used to him playing at an insane level for us that this discussion even comes up.
Now now, no need to twist facts to make things seem better than they are. We all know there are many ways to lose the ball than from "being dispossessed" or "having an unsuccessful touch." Like I said it is important to stay consistent without bias when judging players. Let's just say if you watched the match, "claiming he [only lost the ball two times] is just stupid, I hope you realize that yourself."
To put it in perspective,
RVP lost it 3 times
Fellaini lost it 8 times
Rafael lost it around 9-10 times
Januzaj lost it around 11-14 times
As for Di Maria ... well you can see for yourself
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...er-stats/46497/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
You asked for statistics of losing the ball and I provided them. Yours includes missed passes as well, which is the only difference. That is usually spoken about in terms of passing accuracy rather than losing the ball though. He had the second worst passing accuracy for the team, after Januzaj who was the worst but both of them had above 80 percent. It is pretty standard that the striker or wingers has the worst passing percentage though and I'd say both of them had a good percentage for wingers. Hazard, ADM and Januzaj all had roughly the same passing percentage.
Failed dribbles are counted in the "dispossessed" and "unsuccessful touch". They are supposed to depict all kinds of loss of possession, except missed passes of course.
Also I myself considered his performance to be too bad to continue him in that role. But he was average, not worse than so.
They are supposed to depict all kinds of loss of possession you say except they don't. Is it so hard to say that he was "borderline worst player," that losing the ball 25+ times has to be considered "average" now? Like I said at the beginning, can you name one player that was significantly worse than him?
Di Maria will lose more balls playing in midfield then RVP will lose playing in attack. His duels/aerial duels stats are awful and he makes a lot of bad passes in a game. His take on's are below 50% and that is dangerous for a guy playing in midfield.
He can't tackle and his overall defensive contribution is not to be admired.
These are facts, but they're not that relevant, because in the end, he'll make up for all of it with key passes, chances created, assists and goals.
He can't tackle and his overall defensive contribution is not to be admired.
These are facts, but they're not that relevant, because in the end, he'll make up for all of it with key passes, chances created, assists and goals.
Looking at that 442 graphic, most of those "lost" balls are crosses. Which comes with the territory really.
Passing stats are utterly pointless for wingers as crosses obviously distort them. If Di Maria is regularly putting crosses in of the quality we've seen then I couldn't give a monkeys.
True but the problem with Di Maria is more in his propension to miss easy passes in his own half.
Di Maria can provoke dangerous turnovers for both teams.
This is why stats are pointless without context.
He's like Giggs in the sense that he'll almost always go for the killer pass or take someone on. That's obviously a risky approach and will obviously backfire every now and then but I don't see the point in worrying about it because that's not going to change. It's who he is and it's what we bought him for, and it's one of the main things our team is lacking. He'll lose the ball carelessly every now and then but he'll also create countless chances.
Stats are boring. A few seasons ago, Joe Allen and Leon Britton had the best passing stats in Europe's top flights. Wigan under Martinez had some of the best possession stats, despite being mostly shit. It's meaningless. There's only one stat that means anything, and that's the score.
I'd rather see daring players lose the ball through the means of invention and creativity, than watch Tom Cleverley have a 90%+ successful pass rate from passing it back to the defence for 90 minutes.
I'd rather see daring players lose the ball through the means of invention and creativity, than watch Tom Cleverley have a 90%+ successful pass rate from passing it back to the defence for 90 minutes.
Well, the fact that he is making that many crosses is not good.
Indeed. And Mata is a good example of what happens when a player you need to be creative errs to the opposite extreme. Something like 93% pass completion on average but can only think of one decent chance he's set up all season.
Its what Nani got slaughtered for even when his end product was pretty good in his first few seasons.
Di Maria is obviously a better player than Nani ever was, but that shouldnt be an excuse for double standards. Di Maria does mess up at times when he really shouldnt with mishit passes. Its not just the killer balls and crosses, which tend to be very good attempts even when he gets them wrong. He will usually mess up one or two simple straightforward passes with inaccuracy or getting the wrong contact on the ball.
And that goes for Ander too, he's also shown that he will pop up with a poorly executed simple pass now and again as well.
There are plenty of central midfielders who will mess up a simple pass only once in a blue moon, Di Maria and Ander aren't among them
I think it's time to hand over corner kick duties to rvp
Looking at losses of possession is stupid, especially for players like januzaj and di Maria. Those are the players who are supposed to take risks, put in crosses, take players on, make things happen. The fact that has ability to try so many things is a quality in itself. Just like Ronaldo's quality of always getting many of shots off.
In no way was di Maria poor, let alone the worst player. He wasn't at his very best, but he still caused them endless problems, made quite a few chances with his crossing and was the reason they got so many yellows, and a red in the end, along with playing the vital cross in the end.
The type of player he is, sometimes he'll have games where things don't come off. The fact that he keeps on going is great though because it's constantly making chances and one of them tends to come off.
Or Mata, who is really wasted in set piece situations otherwise
Needs to have at least an 8/10 game for me if we are to get something from the game. That doesn't necessarily mean assists and goals, it may mean just hugging the touchline and helping shaw out....the finer details of the philosophy which I only see when scrutinised on MNF but whatever...a fine game needed.
Yeh he's so bad at corners. Defo needs to be given to mata.
Need a big game from him on sunday, he could dominate the match with Silva out.
I was coming to say the same thing but, with our lack of good headers of the ball we need RVP. But, someone other than Di Maria needs to take corners if he doesn't start putting in better balls soon.
Odd how much he sucks at corners when his crosses are usually fantastic.
Marta's crosses are loopy rubbish.
Might as well have Mata take the corners seeing as he is little use at the end of crosses anyway. Di Maria should be on the edge of the box if anything spills out.
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He does look nervy/twitchy in the big games doesn't he?
I remember a few examples of this in the World Cup as well - making bad decisions at odd times.
Just needs to keep it calm on his final ball today.
I remember a few examples of this in the World Cup as well - making bad decisions at odd times.
Just needs to keep it calm on his final ball today.
Couldn't help but notice him making no effort to get back behind the ball a couple of times after the red.
For amount of shit Januzaj gets on here, he gets away based on reputation.
Been poor again this half and has lost possession in some stupid ways.
As was said when we signed him he's not worth 60 million as a wide player certainly.
Been poor again this half and has lost possession in some stupid ways.
As was said when we signed him he's not worth 60 million as a wide player certainly.
Two big games and he's hiding again.
Much better player when he plays centrally. Ghost again so far.
He's been poor again today.
Presuming we go for a more counter attack based approach in the second half, he'll have to up his game since he'll be central to that.
Presuming we go for a more counter attack based approach in the second half, he'll have to up his game since he'll be central to that.
He needs to step the feck up and show that he can rise to the top. He needs to sense that this is his moment!
Unlike Januzaj though, Di Maria has already put in numerous superb performances. Not to mention that if the problem is that he's being played wide, that's surely not his own fault?
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