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That's the interesting bit. We were linked with Carvalho, Kroos and Fabregas - but not really Herrera, since last season's fiasco.

Then we ended up signing Herrera - with LvG's "permission" but by all accounts, the Shaw and Herrera deal was wrapped up before LvG "sanctioned" it etc.

So was the Herrera deal always on the cards? Or did someone like, say, Giggs advise Woodward to pay that little extra for his release clause? (Moyes was willing to pay above 20m for him iirc).
Yeah, possibly. I think Moyes saw the talent but didn't want to pay the whole fee, and I couldn't have seen him pay it again this year. Shaw is another one I missed, actually.

We're rambling a bit here though, maybe we should post this elsewhere?
 
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How about this caftards:

Angel Di Maria,
He's gonna beat ya, he's gonna beat ya beat ya beat ya beat ya
Angel Di Maria,
He's gonna skin ya, he's gonna skin ya, skin ya, skin ya



Simple but catchy.

Robbie Williams angel seems the best bet


And through it all she offers me protection
A lot of love and affection
Whether I'm right or wrong
And down the waterfall

Just a few simple word changes here would sound good after a goal or two.

And through it all he offers us protection
A lot of goals and our affection
Whether we win or lose
Were loving angel instead

:o you get the drift (sorry about the words) you talented lot can work on it.
 
I think he (and Falcao) joining us will be benficial to the club in so many ways. I believe the clubs fanbase and reputation in South America has risen which is a massive positive given most of them seem to prefer Madrid and Barca.
 
Will be interesting to see whether or not he can step up his defensive game. He runs a lot but has incredibly poor statistics at actually being the one to win the ball back - which puts an incredible pressure on Herrera, Blind and the defenders to do it instead.

Last year for Real he had the same statistics(Interceptions and Tackles) as Mata and Nani usually have, who are heavily criticized for their defensive work.

Would be the icing on the cake if he actually improved this, considering we already have Mata and our forwards who don't do too much in the defense.
Shows how misleading statistics can be. He's as good as it gets when it comes it comes to chasing and harrying among the top attackers.
 
Will be interesting to see whether or not he can step up his defensive game. He runs a lot but has incredibly poor statistics at actually being the one to win the ball back - which puts an incredible pressure on Herrera, Blind and the defenders to do it instead.

Last year for Real he had the same statistics(Interceptions and Tackles) as Mata and Nani usually have, who are heavily criticized for their defensive work.

Would be the icing on the cake if he actually improved this, considering we already have Mata and our forwards who don't do too much in the defense.

Tells more about how stats can mislead than anything else. He's superb defensively. If he harries an opponent and forces a misplaced pass that Herrera intercepts, Di Maria wont get any credit for the defensive work while Herrera gets the interception stat, its nonsense.
 
Gimme a break about his poor stats, he was in a midfield 3 that won the fecking champions league alongside Alonso and Mondric, hardly defensive titans. You don't need high tackling and interception stats, positioning is more important, if you are in good positions you force players to make harder choices which lead to more mistakes.
 
We've got a genuine world class player, at his peak. We've got a chance in any game with this guy, he is a real game changer. He was the one who stepped up for Real in the CL Final when Ronaldo and Bale were struggling.
 
He just provides that outlet that we've been missing since Ronaldo left, can run at defence and will always cause problems when we counter. Teams thrive with a player like that and the opposing teams will always be on their toes because of that, much like robben, hazard and the likes.
 
The best Di Maria song for me is to the (chorus) tune of Human League 'don't you want me'

Angel Di Maria
Comes from Arrgggenttinna

Repeat x 20

Sing it in your head, catchy as fook.
 
Yeah, suprised at Valencia to be honest.

Exactly! Smalling was a bit of a surprise too.

Valencia is, according to FIFA (not the game) the fastest player in the world. He is loved by Uniteds players and kind of loved by the fans. He has so much to offer, I just wish he would show us fans in games what he obviously shows his team-mates in training.
 
Exactly! Smalling was a bit of a surprise too.

Valencia is, according to FIFA (not the game) the fastest player in the world. He is loved by Uniteds players and kind of loved by the fans. He has so much to offer, I just wish he would show us fans in games what he obviously shows his team-mates in training.
Not the first time I heard Smalling is a beast in training, Danny Welbeck said the same !
 
Exactly! Smalling was a bit of a surprise too.

Valencia is, according to FIFA (not the game) the fastest player in the world. He is loved by Uniteds players and kind of loved by the fans. He has so much to offer, I just wish he would show us fans in games what he obviously shows his team-mates in training.

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Look at Rooney and Robben's respective positions on that list. Fair to say, that's a load of bullshit.
 
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Look at Rooney and Robben's respective positions on that list. Fair to say, that's a load of bullshit.

It depends what distance the speed is measured over. Robben has incredible acceleration and is quick over a short distance, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney has a bit more stamina over a longer distance.
 
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Look at Rooney and Robben's respective positions on that list. Fair to say, that's a load of bullshit.

Always see these stats and its misleading. They are just talking about "top speeds", nothing to do with acceleration or even how long these players can maintain their top speeds
 
Might be an old record by Rooney. He looked damn fast when he was 18. On top of that what makes Robben such a thread is that he can reach a very high speed with the ball on his feet which the graph also don't really say if that was the case. So with a bit more of context such stats don't really say much.
 
Robben was clocked at 37kmh at the world cup.



Always take these with a pinch of salt anyway. They seem to vary way too much.
 
Thing with Rooney and his pace is that I don't trust the stats at all. It might have only been preseason but the way he got chased down by Sakho against Liverpool sticks in my mind. Those stats above aside, I don't know if he's got the top speed or acceleration to compare with the fastest guys, but I'm betting he hasn't. Di Maria though, he's got speed to burn and the technique to handle the ball at speed. The difference is night and day to me,
 
Rooney used to be fast when he was younger, I still remember how fast it was he played counter attack with Ronaldo.
 

I don't doubt Valencia is fast but I just can't see him being the fastest footballer on the planet. I mean even Giggs/RvP (not sure who it was) looks rapid in that video. Any list that has Rooney ahead of Robben and Ribery is a load of tosh. My money is on Bale or Lennon (or that Yedlin chap).
It depends what distance the speed is measured over. Robben has incredible acceleration and is quick over a short distance, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney has a bit more stamina over a longer distance.
That's not an accurate judgement on how fast a player is though, is it? Why would they mislead people like that, and what would be the point in doing so, if any? If I had to guess out of Rooney, Ribery and Robben, in who would be quickest in running from one side of the pitch to the other, I'd always back Rooney to finish last out of the three.

Any distance longer than that, then I'm afraid, it's not actually telling you how fast a player is.
 
I don't doubt Valencia is fast but I just can't see him being the fastest footballer on the planet. I mean even Giggs/RvP (not sure who it was) looks rapid in that video. Any list that has Rooney ahead of Robben and Ribery is a load of tosh. My money is on Bale or Lennon (or that Yedlin chap).

That's not an accurate judgement on how fast a player is though, is it? Why would they mislead people like that, and what would be the point in doing so, if any? If I had to guess out of Rooney, Ribery and Robben, in who would be quickest in running from one side of the pitch to the other, I'd always back Rooney to finish last out of the three.

Any distance longer than that, then I'm afraid, it's not actually telling you how fast a player is.

Your impression doesn't matter, before Robben this summer, Valencia was the fattest mesured player. (the stat isn't up to date).
Rooney doesn't have a great acceleration but he is fast. The problem is that we tend to juge player full speed on their acceleration.
 
Your impression doesn't matter, before Robben this summer, Valencia was the fattest mesured player. (the stat isn't up to date).
Rooney doesn't have a great acceleration but he is fast. The problem is that we tend to juge player full speed on their acceleration.
Nope, Rooney isn't (or rather wasn't) 8th fastest player on the planet, by any stretch of the imagination. I'd be interested to know where FIFA got that data from because no one reputable seems to be backing it up.

In no way or definition is Rooney as fast or faster than some of the other names he's been compared to on that list. Simple as. Before, when he was 18-19, maybe. Right now, no chance. You're actually bonkers if you think he is. Robben has always been faster than Rooney (except for when they were both young) so it's not like he's magically gotten faster either.

If Rooney's on the list, then the whole list has to be deemed as unreliable.
 
Nope, Rooney isn't (or rather wasn't) 8th fastest player on the planet, by any stretch of the imagination. I'd be interested to know where FIFA got that data from because no one reputable else seems to be backing it up.

Rooney isn't fast compared to some of the other names on that list. Simple as. Before, when he was 18-19, maybe. Right now, no chance. You're actually bonkers if you think he is. Robben has always been faster than Rooney (except for when they were both young) so it's not like he's magically gotten faster either.

If Rooney's on the list, then the whole list has to be deemed as unreliable.

It's not a classification of the fastest players, it's a picture telling you who had the 10 highest speed recorded, it may have occured only once or it's maybe a regular thing.
 
It's not a classification of the fastest players, it's a picture telling you who had the 10 highest speed recorded, it may have occured only once or it's maybe a regular thing.
...yet titled "The fastest players in the world".

If that is the case, then it's not really a reliable indicator in deciding who actually is the fastest player in the world. That picture was in reference to the guy who claimed Valencia was just that. He isn't because 1) that 'stat' is a load of bullshit due to the reasons stated above and 2) if by the small chance it isn't, it's way out of date.

And that's just ignoring the fact that you're telling me that Rooney happened to have clocked a top speed higher than that of Robben/Ribery in the last two/three years. :lol:

I smell bullshit.
 
...yet titled "The fastest players in the world".

If that is the case, then it's not really a reliable indicator in deciding who actually is the fastest player in the world. That picture was in reference to the guy who claimed Valencia was the fastest player in the world. He isn't because 1) that 'stat' is a load of bullshit due to the reasons stated above and 2) if by the small chance it isn't, it's way out of date.

And that's just ignoring the fact that you're telling me that Rooney happened to have clocked a top speed higher than that of Robben/Ribery in the last two/three years.

I smell bullshit.

It's not an indicator you want to use for the wrong purpose (and the other poster is wrong too), you can't classify the fastest player with one speed, you need a bigger sample.
For instance the TGV is the fattest train but it's not the train who circulate at the highest speed.
This stat isn't BS she's just absolutely useless, and had no real purpose.
 
It's not an indicator you want to use for the wrong purpose (and the other poster is wrong too), you can't classify the fastest player with one speed, you need a bigger sample.
For instance the TGV is the fattest train but it's not the train who circulate at the highest speed.
This stat isn't BS she's just absolutely useless, and had no real purpose.
I have no idea what that first sentence means.

And no, it's bullshit. Sorry but you're absolutely deluded if you think Rooney is, or at one time was, the 8th fastest player in the world. Comparing players and trains is laughable. You're saying Robben and Ribery were going slower on purpose? :lol:

Like I've said, there's no way that Rooney has been clocked at a higher speed than Robben/Ribery. If they have, they've either made it up or used a really small sample period or something similar so either way, it's bullshit.

Use the search function to see what happened when that stat was put up on here previously. Suffice to say, its been laughed out of here.
 
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Look at Rooney and Robben's respective positions on that list. Fair to say, that's a load of bullshit.

If Im not mistaken thats image looks about 5 years old, as it looks like vain rooney pre hair follicle transplant

And valencia maybe was the fastest in the world in the 2010-12 seasons, but ever since then I haven't seen him beat a defender for pace in ages, last time I remember was that game a few years ago against liverpool, where he sprinted the whole pitch basically and won us a penalty
 
If Im not mistaken thats image looks about 5 years old, as it looks like vain rooney pre hair follicle transplant

And valencia maybe was the fastest in the world in the 2010-12 seasons, but ever since then I haven't seen him beat a defender for pace in ages, last time I remember was that game a few years ago against liverpool, where he sprinted the whole pitch basically and won us a penalty
it was 2012-13.
 
His work-rate is undoubted, like I said he runs a lot and he does it well. But he rarely actually wins the ball back himself, so the pressure is on others to use ADM's hounding/press to win the ball back.

Last year like I said his interception/tackles statistics were the same as Nani/Mata which isn't impressive for a central midfielder. It isn't a necessity to win the ball back yourself to be good defensively, look at Khedira who also has poor statistics in that regard but is good defensively, but it requires the players around you to win the ball back.

Fellaini who is also incredibly criticized for never imposing himself defensively had two times better interceptions/tackles last season than Di Maria.

Like I said, it doesn't mean that Di Maria is worse defensively than Nani, Mata and Fellaini - it just means exactly what it means - that he extremely rarely wins the ball back himself for a central midfielder.

Who cares about how many balls he wins, that's not his job, is it? His talents are attacking, anything you get outside that is a bonus.
 
Who cares about how many balls he wins, that's not his job, is it? His talents are attacking, anything you get outside that is a bonus.
Of course winning the ball back is part of the job if you're playing CM.
 
I have no idea what that first sentence means.

And no, it's bullshit. Sorry but you're absolutely deluded if you think Rooney is, or at one time was, the 8th fastest player in the world. Comparing players and trains is laughable. You're saying Robben and Ribery were going slower on purpose? :lol:

Like I've said, there's no way that Rooney has been clocked at a higher speed than Robben/Ribery. If they have, they've either made it up or used a really small sample period or something similar so either way, it's bullshit.

Use the search function to see what happened when that stat was put up on here previously. Suffice to say, its been laughed out of here.

Sorry if i'm not clear this stat doesn't tell you who is the fastest, it's just a useless stat who gives you the highest speed reached by these players.
Which means that Ribery is probably fastest than Rooney but didn't have the opportunity to show it, because football isn't a sprinting contest.
 
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