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Hope he plays some part for Southampton as he is in their squad for the match tommorow. He was a great player, a shame when he left and the circumstances.
 
KAN-KAN was no doubt a great winger but his heart wasn´t red and even though he was one of my favourite players I´ll never forgive him for the way he let Fergie down. I only dislike one former "red" more and that´s the scouse bastard Ince
 
Originally posted by OT:
<strong>KAN-KAN was no doubt a great winger but his heart wasn´t red and even though he was one of my favourite players I´ll never forgive him for the way he let Fergie down. I only dislike one former "red" more and that´s the scouse bastard Ince</strong><hr></blockquote>


I don't think Andrei let Fergie down - not in his own mind. Way before he ever left we said that he would go. Rotation wasn't the thing then - when you were on the bench, it was because you were dropped. Andrei was a player who should have been in the team most games, but he was constantly benched. He was very young, a bit naive imo, and easily influenced by his agent. He was dropped regardless of his form. Five years later, he would have coped with it better - I think he was a red at heart, but was convinced he had no future at the club. There were countless times when we would ask why the hell Kanchelskis wasn't in the team.

Not saying he was right to want out - and I think he's on record as saying himself that he's become wiser as he got older - but no-one ever seems to take the players feelings at the time into consideration.

There was talk of him leaving before he did, but he stayed because fans persuaded him by their attitude towards him, and by giving him a petition. Andy Cole left for the basically the same reasons - no-one said he let us down. Admittedly, Andrei also had other problems like debt, but how well did the club look after him to prevent that - very young, in a foreign country....the club also let AK down imo.

We know the official version about why he left. But then, we also know that Jaap Stam's sacking had nothing to do with writing a book......
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Interesting thread, this. In his autobiography Sir Alex said Andre had been dropped because of injury and was being rested. Furthermore he said Andre`s agent threatened him with violence in order to persuade MU to let Andre go.
Do you think that is a lie? I am not challenging anybody`s opinion - I honestly want to know answers to that.
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>Interesting thread, this. In his autobiography Sir Alex said Andre had been dropped because of injury and was being rested. Furthermore he said Andre`s agent threatened him with violence in order to persuade MU to let Andre go.
Do you think that is a lie? I am not challenging anybody`s opinion - I honestly want to know answers to that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't we all.

Either way, I think Andrei was manipulated rather than manipulator.
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Ah...it's like it was only yesterday.

Big booming Schmeichel howitzer throws down left or right wing for Giggs and Kan-Kan to run onto and get round the back of defences.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Don't we all.

Either way, I think Andrei was manipulated rather than manipulator.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i agree with this..

Andrei was one of a kind.. he's a giggs on the right.. we haven't seen anyone like him at the club since he left..

here's to kan-kan, i do hope he plays some part tonight also.. and i hope he only gets the cheers from the supporters and not the boos..
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Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>Great player but when you signed him you also signed the Russian Maffia as well - not a great combination.</strong><hr></blockquote>

care to elaborate on this? i'm not sure i'm following you.. maybe i was too young to understand all this when it was all happening, so i'd appreciate your explanation.
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Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
<strong>Ah...it's like it was only yesterday.

Big booming Schmeichel howitzer throws down left or right wing for Giggs and Kan-Kan to run onto and get round the back of defences.

:cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

awesome to watch... i loved Kanchelskis..probably my fav player at the time...

altho he wasn't a success in Europe.
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I think the story with Kanchelskis was that when United signed him he became one of Russia's best exports and the Mafia wanted money from him for protection for his family back home.As far as i know Kanchelskis tried to bring his immediate family over here but that was stopped so Fergie had a very worried player at United.Even Fergie can't stop the MAfia.
 
Originally posted by SalfordMan:
<strong>I think the story with Kanchelskis was that when United signed him he became one of Russia's best exports and the Mafia wanted money from him for protection for his family back home.As far as i know Kanchelskis tried to bring his immediate family over here but that was stopped so Fergie had a very worried player at United.Even Fergie can't stop the MAfia.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i heard that shortly before he left the club he was on drugs helping him with his stomach pain.. i thought this was the main reason he was sold.. because he wouldn't stop the drugs.. is this true?
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There being so many theories put forward here proves that we don't know the real story.

As with Stam.

But if the Russian Mafia story is true, you can't blame Andrei for doing what he was told!
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>There being so many theories put forward here proves that we don't know the real story.

As with Stam.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Stam left because it was an ideal time to cash in on him before his price fell,
Kanchelskis got unsettled as he was normally the fallguy for the 4 foreigners rule and had some bad influences around him,

imo.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Stam left because it was an ideal time to cash in on him before his price fell,
Kanchelskis got unsettled as he was normally the fallguy for the 4 foreigners rule and had some bad influences around him,

imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nor sure about Stam. Especially as we didn't have a replacement of the same capabilities.

Agree about Kanchelskis. If the term rotation had been used in football then, I doubt he would have gone. But whatever, he was a player who could change a game, and who added something to the team. He and Cantona had a wonderful understanding and to watch the two of them on form was a joy - as good as anything we've seen. He was under-used and underestimated by SAF. When people talk of mistakes made by Fergie, one of the biggest was not making Kanchelskis feel that he was an important member of the team.
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I loved to watch the Guy...having him & Giggs on the flanks was like we had an airforce supporting us...great entertainer
 
Everyone has kindly forgot that ever since he left us he has been shite, culminating in failing to play regular football for such powerhorses as Man City and Rangers (when they were second best in the SPL). He played well for us when he was here but his dip in form, undoubtedly due to the excess baggage he carries i.e Russian Mafia and gambling debts he supposedly accrued etc should be attributed to good judgement by SAF, for we got good money for a player whom SAF felt had served his purpose.

I haven't agreed with all of his dealings in the transfer market, but this is certainly one I agreed with.
 
Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
<strong>Everyone has kindly forgot that ever since he left us he has been shite, culminating in failing to play regular football for such powerhorses as Man City and Rangers (when they were second best in the SPL). He played well for us when he was here but his dip in form, undoubtedly due to the excess baggage he carries i.e Russian Mafia and gambling debts he supposedly accrued etc should be attributed to good judgement by SAF, for we got good money for a player whom SAF felt had served his purpose.

I haven't agreed with all of his dealings in the transfer market, but this is certainly one I agreed with.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Garbage.

Whatever has happened to Kanchelskis since he left is irrelevant. When he was here he was a top player, and when he left he was still a top player.

Maybe he never settled anywhere else because he never actually wanted to leave United.

If he'd played rubbish for us for a number of games, you might have a case. But he never. There was still a lot of mileage in AK.
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Great interesting stories that I had never heard of before. I defend Kanchelskis, he was a great player and we should have not got rid. How much did we sell him to Everton for?
 
The mafia stories are true...

Fergie was given a shoe box with forty grand in it.

He didn't need it but i would imagine that there's plenty have taken the money and regretted it.
 
Originally posted by 26 may 1999:
<strong>The mafia stories are true...

Fergie was given a shoe box with forty grand in it.

He didn't need it but i would imagine that there's plenty have taken the money and regretted it.</strong><hr></blockquote>


That just reinforces my view that Andrei was as much a victim as anything else. Especially with his parents still in Russia.
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isn't it possible that SAF saw what Becks had and thought it'd be OK to offload Andrei esp with all the problems he had?

i think SAF may have been ungrateful to Andrei in this aspect and i do agree with Livvie that one of his biggest mistake was not letting Andrei feel at home at OT..
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>isn't it possible that SAF saw what Becks had and thought it'd be OK to offload Andrei esp with all the problems he had?

i think SAF may have been ungrateful to Andrei in this aspect and i do agree with Livvie that one of his biggest mistake was not letting Andrei feel at home at OT..</strong><hr></blockquote>

We'll never know what really happened as we weren't really there. Was Andrei not given a 'home feeling' or was he just struggling to come to terms with fame and such?

It was a shame for both sides he left. He was a wonderful player for us, the sort of player we'd need now (although in full flow and not as Kanchelskis is today ofcource1) and despite one more good season for Everton, he never really recovered.

As for Becks, ever Fergie admitted selling Kanchelskis left him volunrable in the right wing department, after parting with Gillespie in the Cole deal. And he also brought Poborsky one year later. Nope, it wasn't a case of letting Andrei go because Becks looked so good.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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As for Becks, ever Fergie admitted selling Kanchelskis left him volunrable in the right wing department, after parting with Gillespie in the Cole deal. And he also brought Poborsky one year later. Nope, it wasn't a case of letting Andrei go because Becks looked so good.</strong><hr></blockquote>

good point.. thanx for clarifying that up.. come to think of it, we did struggle for a couple of seasons on the right after Andrei's departure..
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Garbage.

Whatever has happened to Kanchelskis since he left is irrelevant. When he was here he was a top player, and when he left he was still a top player.

Maybe he never settled anywhere else because he never actually wanted to leave United.

If he'd played rubbish for us for a number of games, you might have a case. But he never. There was still a lot of mileage in AK.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I love it when you guys tie yourselves in knots. You say whatever happened to him since he left United is irrevelant, so by that you mean his form since he left us has been crap, but in the same breath you say "there was still a lot of mileage in AK". Think youngster before answering.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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I love it when you guys tie yourselves in knots. You say whatever happened to him since he left United is irrevelant, so by that you mean his form since he left us has been crap, but in the same breath you say "there was still a lot of mileage in AK". Think youngster before answering.</strong><hr></blockquote>


It's not rocket science.

His form before he left us was fine. After he left it wasn't. The reasons for that could be several. Maybe he was affected psychologically. Who knows.

But before he left Manchester United, no-one could say that Andrei Kanchelskis was crap.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Having a cat fight are we? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Isn't that normally between women?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Isn't that normally between women?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dee sounds like a girl's name to me! ;)
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Dee sounds like a girl's name to me! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Interesting theory.

Tell you what - if Dee is a woman, she ain't no lady....... :)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Interesting theory.

Tell you what - if Dee is a woman, she ain't no lady....... :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with that, but maybe I'm wrong and Dee is simply a man with a puff's name! ;)
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I agree with that, but maybe I'm wrong and Dee is simply a man with a puff's name! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


True - and the next question is, was he born with it, or did he choose it himself......
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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True - and the next question is, was he born with it, or did he choose it himself......</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I can't believe that his parents would be cruel enough to give him the name Dee, so therefore I can only deduce that he choose it himself and he not only has a puff's name, but he is in fact a puff.

Then again, I could be wrong, as some men have parents cruel enough to call them Lesley and Lindsay! Strange that! ;)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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It's not rocket science.

His form before he left us was fine. After he left it wasn't. The reasons for that could be several. Maybe he was affected psychologically. Who knows.

But before he left Manchester United, no-one could say that Andrei Kanchelskis was crap.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well then if that's your basis for keeping AK, then could the same arguement not be applied to Lee Sharpe.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Well, I can't believe that his parents would be cruel enough to give him the name Dee, so therefore I can only deduce that he choose it himself and he not only has a puff's name, but he is in fact a puff.

Then again, I could be wrong, as some men have parents cruel enough to call them Lesley and Lindsay! Strange that! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

It's quite ironic that your do not give your name but hide behind some queer nickname. And if you ever happen to venture to Belfast you will find mine is quite a common name, but you probaly don't know where Belfast is- you stupid fecking inbreed.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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It's quite ironic that your do not give your name but hide behind some queer nickname. And if you ever happen to venture to Belfast you will find mine is quite a common name, but you probaly don't know where Belfast is- you stupid fecking inbreed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Nice chap you are!
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
<strong>you probaly don't know where Belfast is</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don be silly, it's in Maine, USA. Don't fancy going there though.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Well then if that's your basis for keeping AK, then could the same arguement not be applied to Lee Sharpe.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Possibly. I never wanted to see Sharpe leave anyway. Though he was never in the same league as Andrei. And Sharpe's form had dipped for a variety of reasons.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
<strong>

It's quite ironic that your do not give your name but hide behind some queer nickname. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nowt queer about Weaste ;)

Or his nickname - if you're familiar with Manchester that is.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Possibly. I never wanted to see Sharpe leave anyway. Though he was never in the same league as Andrei. And Sharpe's form had dipped for a variety of reasons.</strong><hr></blockquote>

what? THe yr we lost the Rumbelows cup to Sheff Wed he was amazing (apart from that final :( ) . He was the srt of winger you rrely see nowadays, like Andrej he just put his head down and beat his full back as if he wasnt there. Sharpe was an excellent crosser too.
His form after his injuries was patchy though to say the least :(
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