Lingard burned out like Rooney did and this is now his level, he was a good player in his peak which unfortunately lasted couple of months only, I think it's because he broke through so young.he broke through at 23 hahahaha
Andreas Pereira vs Jesse Lingard
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Had high hopes for Andreas when he was in the lower squads but in the first team his performances have looked poor or mediocre at best. He seems to have failed to get a grip of his game and he drifts in and out of matches. Jesse had a moment when he looked like a half decent player but he never quite reached the top level. Now he seems to run around a lot without achieving much. As squad players both really haven’t done much this season and I can’t see much future.
We seem to be packing the squad with mediocrity unfortunately these two fill two key positions.
We seem to be packing the squad with mediocrity unfortunately these two fill two key positions.
Both need to go.
But surely everyone sees that Andreas is the worse player?
Lingard is bad. But Andreas can’t do anything. Can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t take corners, can’t tackle, has no positional awareness, is awful on the ball and off it.
At least Lingard CAN be good on the vary rare occasion
But surely everyone sees that Andreas is the worse player?
Lingard is bad. But Andreas can’t do anything. Can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t take corners, can’t tackle, has no positional awareness, is awful on the ball and off it.
At least Lingard CAN be good on the vary rare occasion
I’ve wondered if Andreas would even stand out in the championship or lower. He doesn’t seem to excel as anything as a footballer, at any level. The definition of a nothing player and how how many games has he played for us up to this point, it’s scandalous.
Lingard in previous seasons is better than Pereira, but if we're looking at this season alone then Pereira has been better. He's been terrible for the last two months or so (a period where he's mostly been played in central midfield) but before that he rightfully moved ahead of both Lingard and Mata as he was outperforming them.
They are two players who in terms of themselves, were at the right place at the right time. A change in manager every two years or so meaning those new managers would give them a shot and a blank slate would be given, especially since we have no DoF structure who’d have figured them out and had them sold or out on loan regardless of new managers.
Lingards gone backwards despite being at the universally accepted peak age now, and Pereira is currently benefiting from the clubs inability to sign players for whatever reason and the star player who occupies his position being constantly absent this season.
Lingards gone backwards despite being at the universally accepted peak age now, and Pereira is currently benefiting from the clubs inability to sign players for whatever reason and the star player who occupies his position being constantly absent this season.
Context matters, in general vomiting should be a less disturbing experience than shitting your pants, if it's on a motorcycle with an helmet on the highway then it's reversed. Now try to apply that to Pereira and Lingard.
It's not about heart my friend. He was always very very limited footballer and absolutely atrocious that he has reached 200 apps for Manchester United. It was very evident even before the huge backlash in the last 12 months that he is not good enough. You mention Phil Neville, but Phil was a much better squad player and useful. Maybe he had the same problem with the lack of talent but he played in positions that talent could be put second to hard work and commitment.
Lingard plays in a position where much more talent is required at this level. You simply can't be such a limited footballer and play as an attacker at Manchester United, and when you factor his lack of focus it simply appalling that he is still here and getting minutes.
I actually liked Pereira and wanted to see him get more minutes at the start of the season. I think he has solid footballing qualities but despite that he still manages to looks absolutely horrific in games, it is very evident that he lacks too much in many aspects. Same shit week after week and it's obvious that he won't improve.
Yeah I agree
Both are bad but Lingard has put some good performances in over the years including a few special goals at Wembley. Pereira is the most average player we’ve ever had starting games on a consistent basis. Week in week out he’s terrible yet seems to start all the time.
Neither are anywhere near good enough.
Pereira seems like he’s keen to do well, however not EPL level. Poor 1st touch, poor passing, poor positional awareness, terrible shooting. He’s decent at closing players down, however not the main attribute you want in an attacking midfielder.
Lingard has fallen off a cliff. Awful first touch(basically like a wall), awful passing, whenever another player near him has the ball he runs into a position where he cannot receive the ball( for this alone should never play again), weak tackle, poor in the air, again though is decent at closing players down(never actually gets there to tackle though).
Both should have played their last game.
Pereira seems like he’s keen to do well, however not EPL level. Poor 1st touch, poor passing, poor positional awareness, terrible shooting. He’s decent at closing players down, however not the main attribute you want in an attacking midfielder.
Lingard has fallen off a cliff. Awful first touch(basically like a wall), awful passing, whenever another player near him has the ball he runs into a position where he cannot receive the ball( for this alone should never play again), weak tackle, poor in the air, again though is decent at closing players down(never actually gets there to tackle though).
Both should have played their last game.
Lingard has talent but his motivation and desire is completely gone.
He's just happy being a united player for the fame and glamour these days. For his own career he needs to be shipped out and start a fresh, somewhere he doesn't feel comfortable and protected.
United have been too soft on him and given him too many chances, and I don't think he will ever get that form back.
He's not "burnt" out though, he's still fairly fit.
As others state Pereira just doesn't have enough. For a guy that's not physical, and not fast, his awareness and ball control just isn't good enough.
He can't play as a DM, he can't play further forward as he doesn't score or assist enough, he's not well rounded enough for a CM role.
Honestly once he leaves here he will end up in the French/Belgium league or back in Holland.
He's just happy being a united player for the fame and glamour these days. For his own career he needs to be shipped out and start a fresh, somewhere he doesn't feel comfortable and protected.
United have been too soft on him and given him too many chances, and I don't think he will ever get that form back.
He's not "burnt" out though, he's still fairly fit.
As others state Pereira just doesn't have enough. For a guy that's not physical, and not fast, his awareness and ball control just isn't good enough.
He can't play as a DM, he can't play further forward as he doesn't score or assist enough, he's not well rounded enough for a CM role.
Honestly once he leaves here he will end up in the French/Belgium league or back in Holland.
Absolute state of our squad if this is what it has come to. Manchester City have a world of talent in their attacking areas, yet we are saddled with these two average (if that) Premiership players.
Can a 27yo player be talented? What is the age limit when people stop calling them talented?
I Remember year ir so ago, commentator sayin about Wallcott: "28yrs old English talent!"
At that age you are closer to retirement than begining of your career. You are finished product, either great, good or crap player, talented, no.
I Remember year ir so ago, commentator sayin about Wallcott: "28yrs old English talent!"
At that age you are closer to retirement than begining of your career. You are finished product, either great, good or crap player, talented, no.
Heart isn't just about giving one all. It also means having the discipline to focus on football and try to improve or at least keep up with the rest on a daily basis. Now for a player to succeed at this level, he needs both heart and talent. The more he has of the former the less he can afford to focus on the latter and viceversa. Maradona or Best are classic examples of players whose extraordinary talent allowed them plenty of slack in terms of heart, professionalism and commitment. Gattuso and the Nevilles are at the other end of the spectrum ie players who lacked the talent to do it at this level talent wise but bridged that lack of talent with world class commitment.
Lingard was never first team material. However he's got the assets to be a half decent squad player. He's versatile, his work rate was quite decent and he had a good eye in terms of scoring crucial goals. Don't take me wrong, he would have never become a Rashford/Martial sort of winger let alone a Giggs type of winger. However he didn't need to. There's plenty of wingers who did fairly well despite not having that stunning technique which is expected from players in that position. Park's game wasn't particularly a joy to watch and neither was Di Livio. However both carved a great career for themselves at top level. What they lacked in technique and dribbling they compensated with heart, commitment and mileage.
Unfortunately somewhere along the line he started thinking that he's some sort of Pogba. That was the end for him as he certainly lacked the talent not to constantly give his 100% in football. If you ask me, Lingard is yet another victim of this sluggish United who compensate with contract extensions rather then kick out players who are not doing enough simply because it cannot replace them. Its very difficult for someone to keep himself properly motivated when he sees the likes of Jones heading to his testimonial game.
That first paragraph is spot on, and I you are right, I misjudged what you meant about not having his heart in it anymore.
However I disagree when you put Lingard in the same bracket as Park for example. For all his lack of talent Park was an evidently more talented footballer than Lingard and much more hardworking which was evident every time he stepped foot on the pitch. And I disagree you using Phil Jones as an excuse for Lingard motivations. Phil Jones's career was seriously harmed by injuries yet I could never question his commitment. Also at his best Phil Jones was a much better CB than Lingard at whatever his best position is/was.
Lingard can only blame himself for the current situation he is in, yet somehow he still managed to rank up 200 games for Manchester United. I fail to remember another attacker with so little talent and uses that made so many apps for this club.
I have absolutely no idea what Andreas Pereira is meant to be good at..he also drives me insane, killing so many of our attacks shooting from distance...usually into the crowd.
Lingard has been equally as poor for the last 14months.
Both need to go, as they just aren’t good enough, and neither are young players who could develop.
The only thing that puts Lingard ahead of Andreas for me, is that at least he’s done some thing in his United career. FA Cup winning Goal, League Cup Final Goal. Goals against Chelsea & Arsenal and a 14 goal season 2017/18 means he’s at least had a contribution before falling off completely and becoming useless.
Of the 2 however, I feel because Lingard is most likely to leave this summer: Agent Raioli, Older & appears a bit more unhappy that Andreas atm.
Both have to go. Lingard Summer 2020, Pereira painfully given 2020/21 Season as a squad player before being sold Summer 2021
Lingard has been equally as poor for the last 14months.
Both need to go, as they just aren’t good enough, and neither are young players who could develop.
The only thing that puts Lingard ahead of Andreas for me, is that at least he’s done some thing in his United career. FA Cup winning Goal, League Cup Final Goal. Goals against Chelsea & Arsenal and a 14 goal season 2017/18 means he’s at least had a contribution before falling off completely and becoming useless.
Of the 2 however, I feel because Lingard is most likely to leave this summer: Agent Raioli, Older & appears a bit more unhappy that Andreas atm.
Both have to go. Lingard Summer 2020, Pereira painfully given 2020/21 Season as a squad player before being sold Summer 2021
‘‘There's more and more competition for places. Your standard has to improve."
Great to hear this today from Ole.
Great to hear this today from Ole.
I think the signing of Bruno has really shown what many people have been saying for a while now. Neither are good enough.
Bruno's passing, shooting, link up play, determination and overall standards are far above both.
We should be moving both on and aiming for a higher quality to challenge Bruno. Not comparing which we are happier to see come on for the last 30 minutes.
Bruno's passing, shooting, link up play, determination and overall standards are far above both.
We should be moving both on and aiming for a higher quality to challenge Bruno. Not comparing which we are happier to see come on for the last 30 minutes.
Both need to be sold not good enough..
Lingard vs Pereira currently is the wrestling equivilant of a big main event that ends in a double countout.
Or UFC main event that ends in the first round for a low blow and an eye poke.
Either way both are not good enough. Lingard is past his best and Pereira wasnt good enough to begin with.
Or UFC main event that ends in the first round for a low blow and an eye poke.
Either way both are not good enough. Lingard is past his best and Pereira wasnt good enough to begin with.
Lingard 100% will be gone in the summer. Whole year without scoring or assisting, abused by fans, Agent Raiola, failing clothing line and getting publicly panned by his Daddy Ole. He's done here.
Fernandes got more assists and goals in just one game against Watford's than lingard has in the premier league for a year now, that is how bad he is.
Periera is also not good enough for the club and would be best sold this summer but still contributes with the odd goal or assist now and then and produced the odd decent hardworking performance in midfield like against Leicester early in the season, he's of the same level of whhat the likes of cleverley and Anderson (not including his debut season) were for the club
Periera is also not good enough for the club and would be best sold this summer but still contributes with the odd goal or assist now and then and produced the odd decent hardworking performance in midfield like against Leicester early in the season, he's of the same level of whhat the likes of cleverley and Anderson (not including his debut season) were for the club
Color me disappointed that this thread wasn't about some Celebrity Death Match video...
Pereira plays in a tough position, we expect tackles, goals, through balls the lot. He has held his own while Pogba has messed us about. So deserves respect.
Gotta be a pisstake
I respect him because he gives everything for the team but that doesn't alter the fact that one of the best things about this Sunday was seeing a squad without him in it. I wish him well and hope he can get a move to a league where he can stand out but I have seen more than enough of him to know that he is not the right quality for United and needs to be moved on.
Don’t let his last 2 seasons cloud your memory Haha.
Neither of them should be defended.
Its nothing personal but players like them shoudnt be anywhere near a United first team or Squad. Nowhere near.
Great they were dropped. Long may it continue and send them on their way in the summer.
They aren't good enough. Its that simple. History or geography shouldn't be a factor.
Its nothing personal but players like them shoudnt be anywhere near a United first team or Squad. Nowhere near.
Great they were dropped. Long may it continue and send them on their way in the summer.
They aren't good enough. Its that simple. History or geography shouldn't be a factor.
Agree. Not saying Periera is less skilful than Lingard, just the role that is expected of Periera is beyond his skill, while Lingard can still fill in half of the hole if his hearts is on.
I'll keep Jesse just to get Sancho signed and be happy with his mates here.
So Andreas to go this summer.
So Andreas to go this summer.
Comparing a player who's on almost 100k per week to a player who's on 30k per week seems a bit unfair. Either way both of them should be off but before that we need to sign players. We can barely even rotate players as it is.
Fecking hell, what a comparison. This is like asking if you’d rather drag your balls through broken glass or barbed wire.
For what it’s worth, if I had to pick only one to keep, it would he Lingard. At least he can do something every now and then, even if the now and then seems to be getting further and further apart. Pereira is the definition of a nothing player.
For what it’s worth, if I had to pick only one to keep, it would he Lingard. At least he can do something every now and then, even if the now and then seems to be getting further and further apart. Pereira is the definition of a nothing player.
I don’t like watching either of them.
lingard thinks he’s way better than he is
At least Perreira tries but he’s never going to be a top player. It’s pretty clear by now. We should be aiming much higher than both if we want to be competing again. Bruno was a massive step in the right direction. It’s not rocket science. He’s a really good footballer who really wanted to come here and prove something. More of this please. If our RW signing is in the same bracket as Bruno talent and ambition wise then we are laughing. Lingard has peaked and Andreas’s peak isn’t going to be enough to be a good player for us.
lingard thinks he’s way better than he is
At least Perreira tries but he’s never going to be a top player. It’s pretty clear by now. We should be aiming much higher than both if we want to be competing again. Bruno was a massive step in the right direction. It’s not rocket science. He’s a really good footballer who really wanted to come here and prove something. More of this please. If our RW signing is in the same bracket as Bruno talent and ambition wise then we are laughing. Lingard has peaked and Andreas’s peak isn’t going to be enough to be a good player for us.
I am clutching at straws here maybe, but I think Pereira is technically good but didn’t get a chance to fully develop. Having a senior creative midfielder in the squad now will help him model him game properly.
I was a strong supporter and believer for these two. I admit, have to lift my hands up on this one, caf is right, they are liabilities to the club.
Bruno came in and reminded us how Scholes used to pass with swagger, other teams can't keep up with that.
I think this is it, Ole totally gave them so many chances to prove themselves, but they have failed. Next summer, Lingard should go, Andreas will have no takers, should be fine squad option.
Season after that, Andreas should go if he still doesn't improve. We can't keep giving them the fame and fortune of Manchester United.
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What irks me the most is seeing them driving fancy cars, Andreas with his Range Rover and Lingard with his Bentley Bentayga.
Bruno came in and reminded us how Scholes used to pass with swagger, other teams can't keep up with that.
I think this is it, Ole totally gave them so many chances to prove themselves, but they have failed. Next summer, Lingard should go, Andreas will have no takers, should be fine squad option.
Season after that, Andreas should go if he still doesn't improve. We can't keep giving them the fame and fortune of Manchester United.
EDIT:
What irks me the most is seeing them driving fancy cars, Andreas with his Range Rover and Lingard with his Bentley Bentayga.
Out of the two "greats" here i would only keep Pereira for a couple of reasons. First, he is a more naturally talented player imo and his biggest problem, decision making, can still be improved with time. Second, he still has a bit of time on his hands to improve. Third, Lingard got Raiola as agent; a sign he's most likely been told to find a new club anyway.
Sell Lingard in the summer and if Pereira is still the same next year then he's next.
Sell Lingard in the summer and if Pereira is still the same next year then he's next.
I think the Range Rover is probably the club sponsored car. I've seen plenty of players driving the same model.
Lingard has spent an obscene amount of money on cars.