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Stack said:
Some of us have been watching him for a number of years.
He is quite capable of holding his own against much stronger opposition.
He is able to play in a number of positions and be effective in all of them.
He wont get huge amounts of game time but what he will do is be a very strong backup in a number of positions when needed.
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Be nice to see how he gets along for United. Playing in the premier league for United, is what he should be judged on. Not how he got on in a terrible team in Spain.
Yes I've also seen him play for a number of years, always looked a neat and tidy player. Not sure why I'm excluded from the 'some of us'. Or is it if you see him for what he is you obviously don't follow him enough? I dont see any exceptional attributes in his game. To establish himself here, he'll need to work very hard.
 
Nice neat player with great technique. I'm only issue is where is he going to play. He's not a DM as he doesn't tackle, not a box to box midfielder and maybe he's a 10 but he's not as dynamic as a Mata.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Nice neat player with great technique. I'm only issue is where is he going to play. He's not a DM as he doesn't tackle, not a box to box midfielder and maybe he's a 10 but he's not as dynamic as a Mata.
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He's a CM and is normally tenacious enough to tackle/make his presence known. He's pretty robust and comparisons to Modric in terms of style or CM are not too far wide of the mark.
 
BAMSOLA said:
He's a CM and is normally tenacious enough to tackle/make his presence known. He's pretty robust and comparisons to Modric in terms of style or CM are not too far wide of the mark.
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I get that but he's not busy enough to be compared to Modric or Mata. These players are constantly on the move where he's static. Don't get me wrong, lovely player but just not sure. I think he's more suited to a traditional 442 midfield and there's a lot of players that struggle in a 3.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
I get that but he's not busy enough to be compared to Modric or Mata. These players are constantly on the move where he's static. Don't get me wrong, lovely player but just not sure. I think he's more suited to a traditional 442 midfield and there's a lot of players that struggle in a 3.
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He looked plenty busy enough at Granada last season and has typically quite a busy style, he was however yesterday being used deeper in CM so may have had more of a sitting role than he traditionally does.

As for playing in a CM 3 or 2 he should actually be better suited to a 3 as he can play both the holding role and the advanced role within a CM 3(I'm not sure he can play the more ball wining CM role). Yesterday/this morning was partly about conserving strength and holding position it seemed to me. A better guideline for his general style of play is his time at Granada with his game against Barca being a good case in point:

 
He was the best player on the park last night, @GifLord can we get a gif of his cruyff turn? About 75 mins I think it was
 
Stack said:
He was continually involved in defensive work, his positioning kept cutting off passing lanes and forced LA to go wide when going forward. He was very disciplined sitting in front of the backline and shut down space all the time.
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This bloody hell. He could only play against what was in front of him. He read the game well, closed passing channels and built the play from the back superbly. I am sure Jose was impressed.
 
MadMike said:
Have they cut out "bad moments" from that video? Because if that's all his touches, then he didn't give the ball away even once. And some of his passes, and especially his turns, were sublime. Although even in this performance you can see he's more suited to a CM rather than DM role. I think Herrera is better there, if needs must.

Personally I feel that with Pogba, Herrera, Pereira and Fellaini (who brings something diferrent with his height) we are basically sorted for CMs. But we will need a specialist DM with Carrick nearing the end and TFM not yet ready for a starting role. I hope we move for Fabinho.
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He's very tidy in possession. Cliche but his addition would be 'like a new signing.'

He offers something fresh, very silky on the ball and his work ethic is pretty underrated. With a DM signing to fill Carrick's boots I'd be really happy with our midfield options going into the new season.
 
Red_toad said:
Point being what does his season in Spain have to do with this coming season 2017/18. Hate to have to point that out to you as seems a tad demeaning to have to explain it.
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Hmm, strange logic..
 
Would be a very unusual move for mourinho to give thus guy a prominent role in the coming year but I do hope it happens. He hasn't shown enough yet but these types of guys who go away and work hard on loan should get a chance whrn they come back
 
wouldn't want him as a DM. He's Pogba-lite for me. Amazing technique and skill for his age. definitely United quality.
 
Red_toad said:
Point being what does his season in Spain have to do with this coming season 2017/18. Hate to have to point that out to you as seems a tad demeaning to have to explain it.
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What? So past performances - from literally months ago - are irrelevant to discuss today?
 
DWelbz19 said:
What? So past performances - from literally months ago - are irrelevant to discuss today?
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Obviously as he was playing for a different club, in a different league/ country. A club who are a million miles away in terms of pressure and expectations on the players. I'm sure there's a thread if you wish to discuss his previous performances whilst in Spain.
 
Didn't like him playing so deep, for me it was an uninspiring performance. He didn't do much wrong, but also nothing positive to write home about, quite like Cleverley in pre-season games of the past. Non pressured to pick okay-type passes, too languid with his movement and decision making, also felt his defensive play and positioning were iffy. Nonetheless I believe he's a talented lad and would like to see him fielded in more advanced position. IMO Pereira is not that type of a player to become a deep lying playmaker.
 
Vashu said:
Didn't like him playing so deep, for me it was an uninspiring performance. He didn't do much wrong, but also nothing positive to write home about, quite like Cleverley in pre-season games of the past. Non pressured to pick okay-type passes, too languid with his movement and decision making, also felt his defensive play and positioning were iffy. Nonetheless I believe he's a talented lad and would like to see him fielded in more advanced position. IMO Pereira is not that type of a player to become a deep lying playmaker.
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Your joking right?
Like Cleverley?
WUM right?
Nothing positive to write home about?
Seriously?
 
Stack said:
Your joking right?
Like Cleverley?
WUM right?
Nothing positive to write home about?
Seriously?
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I've said it wasn't a negative performance. Okay he's made one neat turn that caught the eye, yet remind me who was he playing against? And if my memory from the middle of the night serves me right wasn't the first half team of LA Galaxy consisting mostly of their subs. I remember Cleverley looking best for us, though not spectacular of course, in single or maybe even two pre seasons.
 
Vashu said:
I've said it wasn't a negative performance. Okay he's made one neat turn that caught the eye, yet remind me who was he playing against? And if my memory from the middle of the night serves me right wasn't the first half team of LA Galaxy consisting mostly of their subs. I remember Cleverley looking best for us, though not spectacular of course, in single or maybe even two pre seasons.
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He played in the 2nd half which was against their usual 1st 11.
Did you actually watch the game or just browse the highlights?
He was asked to play in a position he isnt usually known for and to play a certain way which he did without any problems. Neatly showing his capacity to learn and follow instruction.
He played forward as often as he could and many of his passes from deep helped launch attacks.
He was disciplined in his positioning and held his shape well, it meant that LA were forced wide most of the time, he tracked back, shut down space and forced mistakes.
In the first half Carrick did the exact same job and was one of the better players keeping the ball speed up and kept the tempo moving. Pereira came on for Carrick and it was a seamless switch.
 
Stack said:
He played in the 2nd half which was against their usual 1st 11.
Did you actually watch the game or just browse the highlights?
He was asked to play in a position he isnt usually known for and to play a certain way which he did without any problems. Neatly showing his capacity to learn and follow instruction.
He played forward as often as he could and many of his passes from deep helped launch attacks.
He was disciplined in his positioning and held his shape well, it meant that LA were forced wide most of the time, he tracked back, shut down space and forced mistakes.
In the first half Carrick did the exact same job and was one of the better players keeping the ball speed up and kept the tempo moving. Pereira came on for Carrick and it was a seamless switch.
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:lol: Yes I've pulled an all nighter to watch our game and can't really shake off some after effects, thus excuse me for swapping both halves. However the point still is that the 1st team of LA Galaxy is placed at fourth from the bottom of Western Conference, which means that they aren't an opposition of good enough standard to drew some blown up conclusions from 45 minutes of play and the same applies to 36 years old Carrick in regards to the upcoming season.
I've observed with great interest few of our players in last night's game, Pereira being one of them. Seriously if you did some digging you could find similar to yours words of praise addressed towards Cleverley back in the days. Let me be clear Pereira is more talented, but it wasn't a test that I feel the Brazilian has passed yesterday. It's a matter of scaled challenge. The bar was set quite low and I wasn't left impressed with what I saw. If he was fielded against PL opposition in more competitive environment and played likewise he'd get crashed on the field as well as here on the forums, just like it happened with many young players before.
I stand by my conclusion that Pereira isn't made for this position. The sooner we scrap this experiment the better for the everyone involved.
 
I see him as a backup for Pogba. If we sign Matic, this will most likely be the setup

Pogba/Pereira - - - Herrera/Fellaini
Matic/Carrick​
 
Vashu said:
:lol: Yes I've pulled an all nighter to watch our game and can't really shake off some after effects, thus excuse me for swapping both halves. However the point still is that the 1st team of LA Galaxy is placed at fourth from the bottom of Western Conference, which means that they aren't an opposition of good enough standard to drew some blown up conclusions from 45 minutes of play and the same applies to 36 years old Carrick in regards to the upcoming season.
I've observed with great interest few of our players in last night's game, Pereira being one of them. Seriously if you did some digging you could find similar to yours words of praise addressed towards Cleverley back in the days. Let me be clear Pereira is more talented, but it wasn't a test that I feel the Brazilian has passed yesterday. It's a matter of scaled challenge. The bar was set quite low and I wasn't left impressed with what I saw. If he was fielded against PL opposition in more competitive environment and played likewise he'd get crashed on the field as well as here on the forums, just like it happened with many young players before.
I stand by my conclusion that Pereira isn't made for this position. The sooner we scrap this experiment the better for the everyone involved.
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He has all the right attributes to play this position and a couple of others on the pitch. What exactly doesnt he have to be able to play this position? Its a preseason game, its exactly where coaches try things out.
 
Steven Seagull said:
You loved Cleverley and always told everyone they didn't have a clue if they questioned him, so I don't understand why you'd think that was so offensive. Very unusual
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2 very different types of player. Its a weird comparison. They have very different attributes.
 
Vashu said:
:lol: Yes I've pulled an all nighter to watch our game and can't really shake off some after effects, thus excuse me for swapping both halves. However the point still is that the 1st team of LA Galaxy is placed at fourth from the bottom of Western Conference, which means that they aren't an opposition of good enough standard to drew some blown up conclusions from 45 minutes of play and the same applies to 36 years old Carrick in regards to the upcoming season.
I've observed with great interest few of our players in last night's game, Pereira being one of them. Seriously if you did some digging you could find similar to yours words of praise addressed towards Cleverley back in the days. Let me be clear Pereira is more talented, but it wasn't a test that I feel the Brazilian has passed yesterday. It's a matter of scaled challenge. The bar was set quite low and I wasn't left impressed with what I saw. If he was fielded against PL opposition in more competitive environment and played likewise he'd get crashed on the field as well as here on the forums, just like it happened with many young players before.
I stand by my conclusion that Pereira isn't made for this position. The sooner we scrap this experiment the better for the everyone involved.
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So 45 minutes in a friendly isn't enough evidence to start getting carried away. But for writing him off? No further proof needed. :lol:
 
This is why I think the crazy transfer market will help players like Pereira

In years gone by, the richest clubs could stockpile players fairly easily. Now any player wanted by a top 6 club starts at around £30m. Clubs won't want to pay that for squad players meaning the younger players will become important
 
Lentwood said:
This is why I think the crazy transfer market will help players like Pereira

In years gone by, the richest clubs could stockpile players fairly easily. Now any player wanted by a top 6 club starts at around £30m. Clubs won't want to pay that for squad players meaning the younger players will become important
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Interesting point - i hope our youngsters can step up!
 
Interesting player. I just don't know which position he'll fit as in our system.

Hope he gets chances this season though.
 
Globule said:
So 45 minutes in a friendly isn't enough evidence to start getting carried away. But for writing him off? No further proof needed. :lol:
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It's the case of differences between situations when a player doesn't excel against a weak opponent and when he actually leaves a mark on a game against a quality team. First one suggests it's not worth it to continue with the setup (especially if it's an experiment), while the other gives you strong arguments for potential success. Like it's so much easier to predict who won't make it at the club than who will.
We've got 4 preseason games left and Pereira doesn't have a guaranteed place in the squad for the upcoming season. It's entirely possible that Mourinho will decide to loan him out. Because of that it will be better if Andreas gets opportunities in offensive positions staying in line with his development to this day. Maybe you don't agree that it would increase his chances of winning a place in Manchester? Do you think that playing like yesterday Pereira would shine bright in this setup on away day against Stoke for example?

Stack said:
He has all the right attributes to play this position and a couple of others on the pitch. What exactly doesnt he have to be able to play this position? Its a preseason game, its exactly where coaches try things out.
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I'm sending you to my first post here which you've quoted with emphasis on defensive responsibilities interwined with playing in that role.
 
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Depending on the formation, he could play from the left midfield a'la Modric in his earlier years, as well as Eriksen. This would potentially help him grow as a player and further develop his defensive nous as well as acclimatise him to the PL. I see them a fairly similar type of player so that could be the blueprint on how to fit him in the first 11. For a much weaker opponent, him being in midfield 3 should suffice.
 
Red_toad said:
Point being what does his season in Spain have to do with this coming season 2017/18. Hate to have to point that out to you as seems a tad demeaning to have to explain it.
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Your logic being we should only judge him on this one pre-season game except we also shouldn't because the opposition wasn't good enough so we should judge him on... nothing. In other words not praise him at all. But it's still okay to say he's not good enough. Gotcha
 
Vashu said:
I've said it wasn't a negative performance. Okay he's made one neat turn that caught the eye, yet remind me who was he playing against? And if my memory from the middle of the night serves me right wasn't the first half team of LA Galaxy consisting mostly of their subs. I remember Cleverley looking best for us, though not spectacular of course, in single or maybe even two pre seasons.
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I think I see what happened. You must have been quite drunk if you can't even remember which half he played in. Don't worry, we've all been there
 
Z_Wolf said:
Nobody's over rating him. He's a promising young lad. Try to watch his games against Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico, he was running rings around some world class CMs.
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Really? That sounds fantastic.
The good part about Pereira is that his growth has been organic. Youth team, loan and now First team. This is important as it allows for a gradual learning for the player.It helps them more in the long run, imo.
 
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