I was switching games between this and arsenal. Man, they were terrible. They had red card but they were already 1-0 down before the red. This season is Inter or AC Milan chance for the taken for sure.
Andrea Pirlo - Bad manager
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It is a club in disarray with an incompetent zero experience manager.
De Ligt has been one of Juve’s best players since he signed and one of the best defenders in serie A. Far from shit
No kidding. He'd absolutely transform them.
Let's hope and pray that there aren't any Juve fans coming here to see that we really don't want to lose him as he's totally world-class and would revitalize them and keep them at the top for at least five or six years.
Too late, mate. But I actually don't want him.
Juve don't have anyone in midfield better than him and no this isn't sarcasm.
This trend of top clubs appointing explayers just for the sake of it its having consequences. Juve is awful, I wouldn't be surprised if the actually dont get the title this year.
Juventus look pretty woeful in highlights from yesterday. Sarri was unfashionable, doesn't have Pirlo's style on the touchline or dress sense but he does have coaching experience and Juventus would surely be a better team if they kept him?
Other amazing thing is Ribery still going strong at 37 playing for Fiorentina.
Other amazing thing is Ribery still going strong at 37 playing for Fiorentina.
Did he even take charge of up to 10 games in the reserves?
I don’t think he managed a single match. He was appointed U23 coach on 30 July 2020 and by 8 August 2020 he was the first team manager.
There is no debate about that.
But I don't want him because of the way he left the club and now he did the same with United (even if in the end he stays at United). Also because of his agent.
Again, he took charge in the hardest, most unique circumstances we've ever seen, with no preseason, playing every 3 days, with longer international breaks(teams playing 3 games instead of two and coming back with 1 day to spare before games), COVID taking out players, injuries piling up, etc...
He's had a full team to work with for a total of like 3 weeks - and they looked genuinely great in those weeks. Yesterday was their 10th game in 30 days, they were mentally shot, came out flat and found themselves down a goal and a man inside 20 minutes...they didn't actually play badly in the second half despite being a man down and had every break going against them. If the ref sends off borja they probably win. If he gives the clear penalty on cristiano they probably don't lose...
They'll be as fine as fitness allows them, but it's really too early to make judgements on Pirlo
Sarri was sacked by the players by the way
He's had a full team to work with for a total of like 3 weeks - and they looked genuinely great in those weeks. Yesterday was their 10th game in 30 days, they were mentally shot, came out flat and found themselves down a goal and a man inside 20 minutes...they didn't actually play badly in the second half despite being a man down and had every break going against them. If the ref sends off borja they probably win. If he gives the clear penalty on cristiano they probably don't lose...
They'll be as fine as fitness allows them, but it's really too early to make judgements on Pirlo
Sarri was sacked by the players by the way
Funny, his defending for a couple of the goals they conceded yesterday was far worse than anything Maguire gets slated with yet wonder boy gets a free pass.
He wasn't really at fault for the goals from what I saw? It was mainly his partner Bonucci next to him stinking up the place. Having such a sorry excuse of a CB partnering you never helps.
As long as Juve stay in the CL spots, he is safe. He also got a balanced tie in the CL vs Porto. This is year 0 or full rebuilding, no need for drama.
Edit: rebuilding aimed at more progressive football for the masses and new prospective customers worldwide (if you ask me, just get Allegri back and roll out his usual 1-0s again.... but I’m just too old as a fan at 28 ffs)
Edit: rebuilding aimed at more progressive football for the masses and new prospective customers worldwide (if you ask me, just get Allegri back and roll out his usual 1-0s again.... but I’m just too old as a fan at 28 ffs)
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It looks like Juve are searching for a new manager.
This was just an appointment that made no sense at all. I really don't know what Juve were planning exactly.
Won't surprise me if Allegri returned next season.
Won't surprise me if Allegri returned next season.
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Needs to sack him, tonight.
A club of Juventus ambition cant accept this, surely?
A club of Juventus ambition cant accept this, surely?
He was the cheapest option. He's on 1.8 mil a year which makes him the 7th most paid manager in Serie A.
It'll honestly be ridiculous if Juve hired him just based on that.
Last year Sarri was sacked just after being eliminated in the CL but it will be unfair to Pirlo I think. They should give him at least another year considering the circumstances. An inexperienced manager, with no preseason, in a year with an unusual schedule where there isn't even time to train, a lot of new players on the team plus all the players out due to injuries and covid.
Don't get me wrong, this has been a failure so far, but it's hard to judge if Pirlo is a good manager or not given the circumstances. He should be given the opportunity with a proper preseason with a transfer window where he can sign a couple of players of his liking and a normal schedule IMO.
Don't get me wrong, this has been a failure so far, but it's hard to judge if Pirlo is a good manager or not given the circumstances. He should be given the opportunity with a proper preseason with a transfer window where he can sign a couple of players of his liking and a normal schedule IMO.
Can anyone explain Morata over Dybala? Why?
Dybala was injured.
Feel at times that Pirlo lack the attention to detail to drill the discipline into this team.
We may talk about individuals' error in the that free kick, but overall it's the lack of pragmatism that is the root cause of this. One goal from Porto would be a mountain to climb, so why didn't he add another man lying behind the wall like teams often do nowadays?
Rabiot scored a goal, but the whole game, he's very ill disciplined. Once Arthur who kept Juventus ticking for most part of the game went off for some reasons, Juventus lost their cool especially in midfield thus allowing Porto to come out. Juventus wanting that winning goal so much they fail to realize they still have better chance with penalty shoot out than conceding the goal.
We may talk about individuals' error in the that free kick, but overall it's the lack of pragmatism that is the root cause of this. One goal from Porto would be a mountain to climb, so why didn't he add another man lying behind the wall like teams often do nowadays?
Rabiot scored a goal, but the whole game, he's very ill disciplined. Once Arthur who kept Juventus ticking for most part of the game went off for some reasons, Juventus lost their cool especially in midfield thus allowing Porto to come out. Juventus wanting that winning goal so much they fail to realize they still have better chance with penalty shoot out than conceding the goal.
The bolded part is basically a universal problem - not at all exclusive to Juventus. Juventus is far too big and still (though the team is not as good as it used to be) have players way too good to get knocked out to Porto and to be 10 (potentially 7) points behind in the league this late in the season.
I get you, and as a Juventus fan you probably will give Pirlo extra leeway, but can you honestly see a pattern or direction from Pirlo's Juventus? I really can't.
They actually created a little bit once Arthur came off though, the guy may be good at keeping possession, but if you need chances he is not your guy, and he slows play down.
I know right. The point is Juventus abandoned the midfield basic once Arthur came off. This allows Porto to push out more and more. In this type of game, pragmatism, controlling the game despite not scoring is better.
I agree that save from very few moments throughout the season, Juve has played mostly really bad. Still, given the circumstances, even if some of them are universal, Im not ready to say he isnt a good manager. I want to see what he can do on a normal season with at least a year of experience. I know im in the minority, but still.
Morata has quietly had a resurgence and has been comfortably better than Dybala this year. 17 goals and 9 assists in 1971 minutes is nothing to shake a stick at. Dybala has 3 and 2 respectively in about 861 minutes.
But at the moment he hasn't proved himself a good manager - he's young still, and there's plenty of time to show what he's made of - but I do think the decision to manage Juventus was waaay too premature both on Pirlo and Juventus.
Just nine days before taking the Juventus job, he had taken charge of Juventus' reserves. He never got to manage anyone (!?!) - not even youngsters - before taking the senior job. What was the train of thought then and there? I am legitimately asking because it seems absurd to me.
To me, the recruitment of Pirlo's seems 1. arrogant (like, "hell - we'll still sin Seria A with a manager who's never managed anyone before"), and 2. lazy - hiring a guy who you nine days prior hired for the reserves - to me - doesn't look that pre-planned or well-executed.
Will be exciting to follow his managerial path the coming years
Hopefully he can turn it around, but at the moment looking they should have gave Sarri more time.
Good player doesn’t guarantee a good manager.
Please refer to the better version of Pirlo (Scholes) for verification. Bring it
Please refer to the better version of Pirlo (Scholes) for verification. Bring it
It was so bizarre that they sacked him so quickly only to appoint someone completely unproven, especially as they paid Chelsea a decent fee to get him in the first place.
He's just simply not an accomplished coach. Yet, one might add, as of course he's only starting.
But then it's still inexplicable why Juve would hire him just like that, when surely the manager's position at such a giant and ambitious club isn't one that allows for on the job training.
My explanation would be that they were bored out of their minds.
But then it's still inexplicable why Juve would hire him just like that, when surely the manager's position at such a giant and ambitious club isn't one that allows for on the job training.
My explanation would be that they were bored out of their minds.
I’m sure it was just like the movie Trading Places.
“Say, Agnelli... surely we would still win the league, even if we hired a manger with ZERO experience.”
“Pavel... I say we do just that. Let me cover my eyes and call up a random contact in my phone and offer him the job.”
*Agnelli cover his eyes and call a random contact from his phone. The voice in the other end goes:
“Pirlo here.”
*Agnelli and Pavel exchange a glance because the two bored aristocrats just hired the very same Pirlo nine days prior, for their reserves. Would this mission of theirs seem too obvious if they gave the job to a nine-day-reserve manager? But Pavel, being as bored as he is, whispers “just go on with it” and Agnelli offers the inexperienced Pirlo the biggest job in Italy at club level. The end.*
We dodged a bullet on dybala imho
Watching him tonight was fecking embarrassing. Genuinely one of the most petulant displays I've ever seen.
Porto were no angels, but Jesus Christ he was acting the cnut.