Stop being a cnut Ekeke...
Anderson | 2013/14 Performances (on loan at Fiorentina)
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Park is a good squad player, O'Shea is another one. Young, for one, is a bad squad player.
Time for Ando to move on.
What? His pace has always been tremendous, especially his acceleration. When you can't even admit that, you must be the antonym to fanboy, whatever that may be...
His dribbling is a bit more erratic, but he can do that very well, when in form of course.
Yes, it is time for Anderson to go, can anyone seriously reach a different conclusion? I hope he manages to get a few decent years out of his career without injuries and do well for a smaller club. Its a shame it didnt work out, I was so excited about him in the early days.
Can't understand putting Young and Ando in the same level of uselesness. Despite his limitation, you can see the absolute determination in Young's play when on the field. He's a very good squad player that every top team would love to have. Just like Milner or Kuyt.
Oh, absolutelly. You can be sure that the likes of Barca, Bayern, Madrid, BVB, City, Juve will go into a bidding war when we eventually want to get rid of him. I expect us to get at-least 15m for him. In the end who doesn't want to have a player than can dribble, pass, cross, scores goals regularly and makes a bunch of assists. And for this kind of quality you have to pay top dollar. I only hope that this won't backfire and we won't sell him to a rival team, cause we will look even worse than now (for talking bad things about him) when he will defeat us by himself.
Can't understand putting Young and Ando in the same level of uselesness. Despite his limitation, you can see the absolute determination in Young's play when on the field. He's a very good squad player that every top team would love to have. Just like Milner or Kuyt.
He really isnt.
I dont know where you got the bolded bit from either. he doesnt like to get stuck in at all, something i'd think an absolutely determined player would.
He's a waste of space but he'l be here for a while due to his wages.
Nah, I am not joking. And feck off for slamming him, he is a real person and has feelings. Don't you have shame?
Haven't you heard that all the top teams would love to have him?
maybe we can swap him for Shawn?
Oh I have mistaken someone's name. The shame on doing so.
Well it is pretty funny though, you were speaking as if you had seen Shaw play loads of times yet repeatedly called him Shawn, how is that even possible?
I clearly haven't seen him ever play. Just like posters who repeatedly call Khal Drogo 'Karl Drogo' haven't ever watched Game of Thrones.
Or,
I made a mistake the first time in that post and then repeated it. It isn't the first time I have made posts about him and I have called him correctly (Shaw) in them.
See, that wasn't so hard to admit.
I don't, you know that?
I actually don't think he's rubbish, but I don't think he's good enough to be playing a major role at United either. His stupid diving just makes it worse also.
Its not though. I mean his pace is good for a CM, but its not that impressive. In fact if it was that amazing he'd have been a better option wide for us.
He runs the ball into big gaps in the opponents midfield. Thats running in a line, not really dribbling. He doesnt go past players trying to tackle him
Good pace doesn't always equal a good winger. Few players in the PL have better top speed than Ramires, but he's pretty much useless as a winger. Smalling has great pace, but he's best as a CB. Anderson's acceleration has always been terrific, also according to Ferguson. His pace is very good and his dribbling is good - not Messi-esque, but still very good for his position, which sets him apart from our other midfielders. Can you name many central midfielders with more pace than Anderson? Ramires arguably has better top speed, but Ando's acceleration is far better. Dribbling isn't quite there with Gundogan perhaps, but now you're talking top bracket players and Anderson isn't there anyhow.
I'm not saying he'd be a winger, but he's been picked wide for us before and not had an impact. Ramires has done well wide. His dribbling isnt good. In a tight space he's got nothing
Well, we'll have to disagree then. I think his best two assets are his pace and his dribbling. You couldn't name any cm who are faster, so maybe you agree on that part at least? Watch any Youtube compilation of him and you'll see what I mean.
Ramires is faster, cant think of many more than that. Mainly because pace in CM is negligible. I remember when it was something people would bring up about Hargreaves.
What always pissed me off is his complete inability to strike the ball consistently. Usually goes for a left side footer for some reason. How can a Brazilian with good skill shoot so poorly?
Because of this and his hit and miss passing, he could never really make it here as a pure attacking midfielder.
I always though he had a decent future at United playing in a three-man midfield or filling in here and there in Centre Midfield but I guess the injuries and fitness issues just spelled the end.
He did 'attack the space' very well and had some nice speed bursts with the ball. I always enjoyed watching him make those pulsing runs with his braids flwoing in the wind.
Because of this and his hit and miss passing, he could never really make it here as a pure attacking midfielder.
I always though he had a decent future at United playing in a three-man midfield or filling in here and there in Centre Midfield but I guess the injuries and fitness issues just spelled the end.
He did 'attack the space' very well and had some nice speed bursts with the ball. I always enjoyed watching him make those pulsing runs with his braids flwoing in the wind.
Pace in cm is negligible yet our midfield, according to 98% of posters in here scream out for more pace and quicker feet? That was Hargreaves' best attribute, along with his stamina. It's a great thing to have as it gives you an ability to go past a few players. It's not something required, as very good cms like Carrick and Scholes have done well without, but it did provide Gerrard with something extra for instance.
What bugs me is that you go out and say that he isn't fast when clearly he is and then just go on to say that it's not important when Ferguson said that it gave our midfield another dimension, just like Giggs did against Chelsea some time back. Do you think Gundogan would be as good as he is without his pace for instance? Sometimes it's better to admit you're wrong when you're wrong. I'm not claiming he's world class, just that he has some attributes that are very good.
Whatever Anderson's best natural position was, it certainly wasn't central midfield, and though his career and potential were ruined by a variety of factors and not a single cause, Sir Alex Ferguson's idea of putting him in a midfield two was probably one of the major factors, and the earliest of them.
This isn't insight. His failure at United was accurately predicted by many Porto fans at the time the news of the deal broke. We all knew it was a square peg in a round hole before he even started playing. Due to his injury he only played two-half seasons with us regularly, but it was clear that his set of acquired and potential skills were a long way from what a CM requires. In his interviews from the time it's very noticeable that he was following a completely different development path than what he envisioned from himself. I think he gave his best and accepted the challenge willingly, but he was never going to be good enough for United in that position.
You can't just say "if he was good behind the striker" he would have succeeded there the couple of times you tried it. Despite all his ability he was still very raw when he went there and in a crucial time of his development, relearning his role in the pitch took the sparkle from him and he never developed as he should. He was too young to have matured enough to handle a couple of seasons out of position and too old to completely relearn a new role. He didn't get better at what he wasn't good, and got worse at what he did well. As an example, anyone would laugh at someone saying he wasn't a goal threat before he left Porto. He looked like the most threatening player in our team every time he got the ball. May have only scored twice for us (and how long it took him to reach that tally at United?) but it clearly looked that with a bit of finishing training and polishing he would become a prolific goal scorer.
Couple that with all the usual difficulties of playing in a very different league, settling in a very different country, switching from being one of the most talked about young promises in the world to having all your ability questioned in a few months, endless injuries, etc, and it's quite obvious why he didn't make it.
I'm willing to accept he wasn't destined to be as good as it once looked, but I think any chances he had to prove otherwise were ruined by poor career-wise decision making.
Lots of sensible points made there.
He's Attacking the Space, if you want to use proper terminology.
Anderson was really good when Fergie played him with Carrick and Fletcher in a midfield 3 in 2008-9. At the time I felt we would be fine post-Scholes. However he never really improved as a player after that. He has overstayed by at least 2 years at the club. Time to cut our losses.
with Carrick and Jones injured and Fellaini suspended - we may be forced to start him against Leverkusen 
Well actually you can. For instance Kagawa has shown in a few minutes playing behind the striker what he's all about. If Anderson gave a sniff of being able to unlock a tight defence, great movement, goals or well, anything except a few passes left and right and lots of fluffed shots which is what we got when he played off the striker, he'd have proven that he was a genuine option in that role. He hasnt shown enough to suggest he's an attacker and thats why he's been played in central midfield 90% of the time. He's also had years of training to show that he's actually able to do something in the final third and hasnt convinced Sir Alex, Brazil coaches or David Moyes that he should be playing there. In fact Brazil used him even deeper than we do at United, before deciding the likes of Lucas are much better players
To be fair to Anderson, he's looked very good in a three-man midfield. He's just not a decent enough option for us to have in a 4-4-2 because his positional sense is average at best.
Against which decent opposition has he ever looked "very good in a three man midfield" ? Charity shield obviously not counting
Cant remember these very good performances
I really liked his latest interview - admitted that he had some weight issues, but they were related to injuries, and he felt he was were he needed to be now and wanted to fight for a first team selection.
Problem is that very few midfielders these days are good in a two man midfield. Most other teams play with a very distinct midfield three. I agree that both he and Cleverley would thrive in a midfield three with either Carrick or Fellaini playing deep behind them. The problem then is that we would sacrifice our wingers, or our number ten...
Yeah, he gave a good interview to Andy mitten (I think) in preseason as well. I can't help feel sorry for him. I think he would still he a viable option for us but in a midfield three, but then there's the age old Rooney has to play behind Robin issue which makes the discussion void. If Rene takes him to Fulham on loan in January (as rumoured) it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
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