Ander Herrera to PSG? | Gone.

[red4ever 79]

Attitude spot on..would give.him new contract and captains armband

This. The board should offer him 150k p/w 3 year deal and the captains armband.
However, when he leaves for free we will need to replace him and Matic. There is still no guarantee Fred will come good. We need to strengthen so many areas that I do not see the sense in losing a player we should be keeping.

 

[ivaldo]

Ekeke and you personally are trying to make some glorious player of Herrera which clearly he is not.

I cant bear nonsense you are saying repeteadly and posting stats in which you even including players who arent playing same position or role as Herrera and that only say how much you understand football.

He presses good for 45mins,with periods of rest,resting deeper in which we play good and after in second half we drop deeper because no one can press,run for 90mins constantly and we play counter or teams give us the ball because they know we are useless with our attacking play with the ball in our feet,possesion wise because of the likes of Herrera,Matic and other but mostly midfield fault.

And you mastermind compare Modric for example or I dont know Arthur from Barcelona in those your stats and you will probably think by them that Herrera is better in some passing range than them or that Herrera has less sideways passes than Arthur.

And after you will say Herrera is great passer of the ball because of not understanding how teams or way of playing team uses works and how players relate to style od play.

Sorry, where are you getting this bull from? Feel free to show me these stats I’ve been posting.

As usual, the nonsensical hyperbole is backed up with vagueness and unquantifiable, lofty, generic claims. Why don’t you change your tune and actually attempt to qualify what you say? Can only press for 45 minutes? Prove it. Give examples, stats etc. You won’t though because you can’t. You have a preconceived notion of the type of player you think Ander is, and whenever evidence is given to the contrary, you put your fingers in your ears and put it all down to luck or coincidence.

Your posts would have some credibility if you didn’t rely on going to extremes to try and prove your ill conceived point. Others have been able to do so.

For what it’s worth I absolutely think Herrera can be upgraded and if you paid attention you’ll have seen me express this opinion several times. But you’ve got to be a special kind of stupid to let someone go as integral to the team as he is RIGHT NOW without first replacing him. It’s painfully obvious we lack what he provides when he’s missing, because the players around him don’t contribute anywhere near enough as they should to mitigate his absence. By all means bring in someone like Neves, but first you also need replace the players around him so that they can fill in the holes his departure has left. We need 2 new midfielders, and with Herrera going that could be three. We need a new right back and a new centreback, we need to drastically improve our fitness to play the style of play Ole wants, we need a new right winger to ease the creative burden we see on other players. With Herrera going we will be miss his tackling, interceptions, movement, leadership, intensity etc. that we don’t get from our other players, hence the woeful displays we’ve seen in the stretch of games he was missing. So all our new arrivals need to contribute in these areas. This notion that we will need to spend 400mil is entirely unrealistic, and this investment will need to come across several windows. At the moment it’s like we are getting rid the family car before getting a new 911, and you’ll be baffled why you keep running out of fuel before you get to your destination.

 

[Kostov]

Jesse would love it there. His fashion line would go down well.

Win win for all sides then.

I don't think adding Lingard helps that deal in any way

Christ could you imagine Lingard and Neymar together? I'd cringe myself to death.

I'd fecking love that. Neymar alongside a kid like Lingard the world is at their feet. (the French league that is)

 

[DomesticTadpole]

This is a good summary of what a mess we are from Gary Neville.

10:20
Neville on Herrera's contract situation
Neville is not happy with the behind the scenes ongoings which have led to Herrera’s expected departure.

I think the situation with him [Herrera] is that he’s not likely to disrespect the club, he’s been a brilliant professional here for the last few years,’ said Neville during United’s 1-1 draw with Chelsea.

‘But all the speculation about him going to Paris Saint-Germain. Manchester United have allowed his contract to run down.If they wanted him, maybe they should have made the decision a little earlier. I think the other thing with Manchester United as well is that when you’ve got a change in manager every 18 months or two years, you might have one manager who fancies him, and another manager who says don’t renew the contract. ‘And then a new manager comes in but it’s too late then and the player’s contract has run down. That’s why you need a club plan to take these sorts of decisions away from a manager. To enable the player to be protected and the value to be protected.’

 

[kps88]

This is a good summary of what a mess we are from Gary Neville.

10:20
Neville on Herrera's contract situation
Neville is not happy with the behind the scenes ongoings which have led to Herrera’s expected departure.

I think the situation with him [Herrera] is that he’s not likely to disrespect the club, he’s been a brilliant professional here for the last few years,’ said Neville during United’s 1-1 draw with Chelsea.

‘But all the speculation about him going to Paris Saint-Germain. Manchester United have allowed his contract to run down.If they wanted him, maybe they should have made the decision a little earlier. I think the other thing with Manchester United as well is that when you’ve got a change in manager every 18 months or two years, you might have one manager who fancies him, and another manager who says don’t renew the contract. ‘And then a new manager comes in but it’s too late then and the player’s contract has run down. That’s why you need a club plan to take these sorts of decisions away from a manager. To enable the player to be protected and the value to be protected.’

Take contract renewal decisions away from the manager? You can't force a player onto a manager. It'll upset the manager and also makes zero business sense keeping someone the manager doesn't rate. If the club offered him a new contract despite Jose telling them not to then I'm sure we'd have heard Neville complaining about how we are undermining the manager.

This is just a case of horrible luck/timing with his contract being up at the same time we transitioned from one manager who didn't really rate him to another who does. I can't think of the last time we've lost a player we wanted to keep on a free so it's not as if it's a big problem with us (like Arsenal). It's quite likely he isn't that keen on staying and his demands are just unrealistic, especially compared to what a club like PSG are wiling to offer him.

 

[Ekeke]

Ive mentioned the boy from Everton numerous times. Good player, good intensity and would be obtainable.

He would, but he's a sidegrade at very best. And as the numbers show, if you dont think Ander brings enough going forward then Gueye will play less of those passes

 

[Ekeke]

Take contract renewal decisions away from the manager? You can't force a player onto a manager. It'll upset the manager and also makes zero business sense keeping someone the manager doesn't rate. If the club offered him a new contract despite Jose telling them not to then I'm sure we'd have heard Neville complaining about how we are undermining the manager.

This is just a case of horrible luck/timing with his contract being up at the same time we transitioned from one manager who didn't really rate him to another who does. I can't think of the last time we've lost a player we wanted to keep on a free so it's not as if it's a big problem with us (like Arsenal). It's quite likely he isn't that keen on staying and his demands are just unrealistic, especially compared to what a club like PSG are wiling to offer him.

Sometimes the manager is wrong. Other times, like Mourinho, the manager is wrong most of the time.

 

[Matt007a]

I think it'll be a shame if he does leave. He's the only midfielder we have who can press properly. I just posted about the need to start implementing a team press style of play next season and frankly he is the best player we have in that sort of system. He also seems like a good pro.

 

[kps88]

Sometimes the manager is wrong. Other times, like Mourinho, the manager is wrong most of the time.

If you've lost all trust in the manager then you sack him. The scenario of a manager telling you he doesn't want a player and the club still giving him a new contract is silly.

 

[POF]

If you've lost all trust in the manager then you sack him. The scenario of a manager telling you he doesn't want a player and the club still giving him a new contract is silly.

No it isn't. You protect the value of your asset. If the manager doesn't want him, sell him but keep him contracted until you do. At least then you have funds to replace him. Losing him on a free is criminal.

Ole talks about culture, he's trying to implement a high energy pressing game and Herrera is leaving on a free. The club is an absolute comedy show.

 

[DanClancy]

Maybe I'm been naive but I think he'll stay on, their probably not far away in terms of whats required. Probably something like £4-5m over a 3 year contract which is peanuts in terms of what its going to cost to replace him.

 

[Ekeke]

If you've lost all trust in the manager then you sack him. The scenario of a manager telling you he doesn't want a player and the club still giving him a new contract is silly.

One player isnt losing all faith in a manager. Its not agreeing with one choice.

If the manager is under scrutiny, then he has a chance to show that he's still the right man for the job by getting the results. Maybe the player he wasnt keen on keeping could be useful over a season at some point to help accomplish that.

Mourinho didnt show he was taking the team in the right direction. It might have been smart in hindsight for someone else (Director of football if we had one?) to make sure Ander's contract was renewed. Even if Mourinho didnt want him and we looked to cash in on him. Plenty of clubs renew a player's contract and then sell them on in the medium term. There's no reason we couldnt have done the same even if Mourinho didnt want to keep him. Sign him up and give him time to try to be a main man for Mourinho and then if he doesn't change his mind, he can let the player know he can look for a new club.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

One player isnt losing all faith in a manager. Its not agreeing with one choice.

If the manager is under scrutiny, then he has a chance to show that he's still the right man for the job by getting the results. Maybe the player he wasnt keen on keeping could be useful over a season at some point to help accomplish that.

Mourinho didnt show he was taking the team in the right direction. It might have been smart in hindsight for someone else (Director of football if we had one?) to make sure Ander's contract was renewed. Even if Mourinho didnt want him and we looked to cash in on him. Plenty of clubs renew a player's contract and then sell them on in the medium term. There's no reason we couldnt have done the same even if Mourinho didnt want to keep him. Sign him up and give him time to try to be a main man for Mourinho and then if he doesn't change his mind, he can let the player know he can look for a new club.

I hope if Ander does decide to join PSG then Jose doesn't end up following him there. That would be truly awful.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Ander will stay. It’s just a play from the agent to get one last big contact.

 

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[VP89]

I'm not a fan of Martial at all but Sam Luckhurst is so shite in his writing.

Martial was resigned but Herrera wants a deal that he's not worth. It's not like we haven't offered Ander a new deal.

 

[charlenefan]

Thing is where has Herrera been the last month or two? He was good at the start of Ole's reign and was good 1st half yesterday but he's been missing for around two months in-between and that's the story of his career. One good game yesterday doesn't change history

 

[red4ever 79]

Thing is where has Herrera been the last month or two? He was good at the start of Ole's reign and was good 1st half yesterday but he's been missing for around two months in-between and that's the story of his career. One good game yesterday doesn't change history

Was injured

 

[ants7]

Thing is where has Herrera been the last month or two? He was good at the start of Ole's reign and was good 1st half yesterday but he's been missing for around two months in-between and that's the story of his career. One good game yesterday doesn't change history

And this history is that he has been good when used correctly under every manager he has been playing. One of the better (if not the best) buy since Fergie retired.

 

[lsd]

Had his usual game rushed into tackles,got booked early then ran around like a headless chicken unable to tackle after that .

Finally just stood off Alonso for his goal and never reacted at all but his supporter will ignore that pretending it didn't happen

 

[RD94]

Sorry, where are you getting this bull from? Feel free to show me these stats I’ve been posting.

As usual, the nonsensical hyperbole is backed up with vagueness and unquantifiable, lofty, generic claims. Why don’t you change your tune and actually attempt to qualify what you say? Can only press for 45 minutes? Prove it. Give examples, stats etc. You won’t though because you can’t. You have a preconceived notion of the type of player you think Ander is, and whenever evidence is given to the contrary, you put your fingers in your ears and put it all down to luck or coincidence.

Your posts would have some credibility if you didn’t rely on going to extremes to try and prove your ill conceived point. Others have been able to do so.

For what it’s worth I absolutely think Herrera can be upgraded and if you paid attention you’ll have seen me express this opinion several times. But you’ve got to be a special kind of stupid to let someone go as integral to the team as he is RIGHT NOW without first replacing him. It’s painfully obvious we lack what he provides when he’s missing, because the players around him don’t contribute anywhere near enough as they should to mitigate his absence. By all means bring in someone like Neves, but first you also need replace the players around him so that they can fill in the holes his departure has left. We need 2 new midfielders, and with Herrera going that could be three. We need a new right back and a new centreback, we need to drastically improve our fitness to play the style of play Ole wants, we need a new right winger to ease the creative burden we see on other players. With Herrera going we will be miss his tackling, interceptions, movement, leadership, intensity etc. that we don’t get from our other players, hence the woeful displays we’ve seen in the stretch of games he was missing. So all our new arrivals need to contribute in these areas. This notion that we will need to spend 400mil is entirely unrealistic, and this investment will need to come across several windows. At the moment it’s like we are getting rid the family car before getting a new 911, and you’ll be baffled why you keep running out of fuel before you get to your destination.

Yesterdays performance was an example.Good first half,second awful and like that all the time.We press in first half and in second just drop deep and counter or teams just let us have the ball and then we have brainless possession with no idea what to do.

Again,why we had a successful run of games.First,Ole came,talk of bringing United way back,secondly first games were Huddersfield,Cardiff,Bournemouth,Reading no more needing to say.Team got a spirit and luck played games against Arsenal,Chelsea Fa cup and so on,won becauese they are average like us and you still question why did we win games then.

He can be replaced by Mctominay as a squad option,growing into that role because and I hope that is what are club are planning because he is not worth of that said sum.
Buy new MC,DM,CB,RB,RW.

Had his usual game rushed into tackles,got booked early then ran around like a headless chicken unable to tackle after that .

Finally just stood off Alonso for his goal n never reacted at all but his supporter will ignore that pretending it didn't happen

Spot on.

 

[el3mel]

I'm not a fan of Martial at all but Sam Luckhurst is so shite in his writing.

Martial was resigned but Herrera wants a deal that he's not worth. It's not like we haven't offered Ander a new deal.

He's worth it.

 

[VP89]

He's worth it.

He's not a 200k a week player. No club that isn't bank rolled by an oil rich country would ever pay that.

 

[POF]

He's not a 200k a week player. No club that isn't bank rolled by an oil rich country would ever pay that.

He certainly isn't and if the club had renewed his contract before a bank rolled club realised they could get him on a free, they'd have signed him for much less than that.

 

[el3mel]

He's not a 200k a week player. No club that isn't bank rolled by an oil rich country would ever pay that.

If Martial is earning 250k a week as reported then feck yeah Herrera is 200k a week player for me.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

He certainly isn't and if the club had renewed his contract before a bank rolled club realised they could get him on a free, they'd have signed him for much less than that.

Exactly. The way the club have handled this has been disgusting. This is why we have needed a DOF. It would have been dealt with, instead we have stumbled from one manager to another with different ideas. This is all down to the board.

 

[VP89]

If Martial is earning 250k a week as reported then feck yeah Herrera is 200k a week player for me.

Martial isn't earning £250k a week. I don't think he's even close to 200k per week.

 

[DJ Jeff]

If Martial is earning 250k a week as reported then feck yeah Herrera is 200k a week player for me.

Martial is a 23 year old pacy inside forward, one of the most demanded types of player in the game, who has demonstrated potential world class ability. He's got enormous resale value. Ander is almost 30 and though a much more effective player for us, we are never going to get a big fee for him. I'd still love if he stayed though.

 

[DanClancy]

He's not a 200k a week player. No club that isn't bank rolled by an oil rich country would ever pay that.

I suspect he won't be asking United to match what PSG are offering. I imagine he's happy at the club and wants to stay and its the clubs fault their in thsi situation, thus should have been settled over a year ago but arrogant United thought they could save another year of paying him an increased wage and he'd sign anyway.

 

[starman]

As much i want him to stay, i dont blame him wanting huge money for his last contract and joining PSG in the process, he has been used so poorly here, and has only been really appreciated properly by Ole. Even the season he was player of the year, under Jose, you could tell he didnt really fancy him and Fellaini was more up his street. He should have been one of the first players on the team sheet since joining. I am sure hes spent most of his time on the bench then playing.

 

[el3mel]

Martial is a 23 year old pacy inside forward, one of the most demanded types of player in the game, who has demonstrated potential world class ability. He's got enormous resale value. Ander is almost 30 and though a much more effective player for us, we are never going to get a big fee for him. I'd still love if he stayed though.

Demanded and world class ability.

Martial isn't worth 250k a week whatever ways you try to spin it out with moody and inconsistent performance and terrible off ball movement and standing still most of the game and if we're giving undeserved contracts for underwhelming players who don't deserve it like Martial and Sanchez then a player who's actually performing regularly as Herrera is worth what he's asking for.

Herrera is earning 75k a week. If I were him and looking at what other terrible players in club like Young are gaining and how underwhelming players as Martial get fat contracts based on few good games while I'm still earning such trash salary then I'll definitely ask for 200k a week.

When we start giving players the contracts we deserve we can blame Herrera for what he's asking but as long as we're giving Sanchez 350k and had just given Martial a giga contract reported to be 250k a week then feck yeah Herrera is worth 200k a week for me. Will be hard to convince me otherwise.

 

[el3mel]

Martial isn't earning £250k a week. I don't think he's even close to 200k per week.

Well guess again.

https://www.skysports.com/app/trans...ns-new-deal-with-manchester-united-until-2024

 

[DJ Jeff]

Demanded and world class ability.

Martial isn't worth 250k a week whatever ways you try to spin it out with moody and inconsistent performance and terrible off ball movement and standing still most of the game and if we're giving undeserved contracts for underwhelming players who don't deserve it like Martial and Sanchez then a player who's actually performing regularly as Herrera is worth what he's asking for.

Herrera is earning 75k a week. If I were him and looking at what other terrible players in club like Young are gaining and how underwhelming players as Martial get fat contracts based on few good games while I'm still earning such trash salary then I'll definitely ask for 200k a week.

When we start giving players the contracts we deserve we can blame Herrera for what he's asking but as long as we're giving Sanchez 350k and had just given Martial a giga contract reported to be 250k a week then feck yeah Herrera is worth 200k a week for me. Will be hard to convince me otherwise.

Mate I'm not saying Martial is incredible. I'm saying it's a much easier financial decision for the club to make to hand him 200k a week or whatever he's actually on because he will be easy to sell for minimum £60m, whereas we will struggle to get half that for Herrera at his age.

 

[Sandikan]

Thing is where has Herrera been the last month or two? He was good at the start of Ole's reign and was good 1st half yesterday but he's been missing for around two months in-between and that's the story of his career. One good game yesterday doesn't change history

Agree.
And Luckhurst's article ignores the nature of their styles of play.

A defensive midfielder is much easier to show he "cares" than a flair player whose strengths are the pretty side of the game when it's going well.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Mate I'm not saying Martial is incredible. I'm saying it's a much easier financial decision for the club to make to hand him 200k a week or whatever he's actually on because he will be easy to sell for minimum £60m, whereas we will struggle to get half that for Herrera at his age.

Yes giving Martial a contract made sense, but then we pay him astronomic money, he is barely breaking sweat when he plays and we are bloody stuck with him, because not many clubs would pay that sort of money.

 

[el3mel]

Mate I'm not saying Martial is incredible. I'm saying it's a much easier financial decision for the club to make to hand him 200k a week or whatever he's actually on because he will be easy to sell for minimum £60m, whereas we will struggle to get half that for Herrera at his age.

I have to say sorry for my aggressive response earlier but I'm not just in good mood today.

Not really. It's really stupid to give a 23 years old player such giga salary because if he ends up flopping there's actually no reason other clubs will give him such money and he won't accept a pay cut that earlier in his career. Martial should be earning 120k at most. We're just giving stupid contracts, so no reason why Herrera shouldn't be asking for the same.

 

[VP89]

Well guess again.

https://www.skysports.com/app/trans...ns-new-deal-with-manchester-united-until-2024

I'm very wary of using skysports to be honest.

If true that's a disgrace. Farcical wages and never ever worth close to that.

That said Ander is still not a 200k per week player. We should flog Martial and any other overpaid talent and start again. Won't happen though.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I have to say sorry for my aggressive response earlier but I'm not just in good mood today.

Not really. It's really stupid to give a 23 years old player such giga salary because if he ends up flopping there's actually no reason other clubs will give him such money and he won't accept a pay cut that earlier in his career. Martial should be earning 120k at most. We're just giving stupid contracts, so no reason why Herrera shouldn't be asking for the same.

Giving out that sort of contract to Martial just takes the drive away, if he had any in the first place. He's made it. It should all be incentive laden on scoring goals, league position, trophies won. They would make sure we won if that was the place. The fact some supposedly want to move as they get a 25% cut in wages, well that is tough, it is up to you to get CL and you failed.

 

[Bilbo]

We look a better team when Herrera is playing

 

[charlenefan]

Was injured

Like I said a story of his United career. He's always injured