So the club fecked up on their part, but as per your source the club made a push to negotiate and put a good deal on the table since Ole's appointment, what's the hold up on Herrera's part now?
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So the club fecked up on their part, but as per your source the club made a push to negotiate and put a good deal on the table since Ole's appointment, what's the hold up on Herrera's part now?
According to Ole negotiations are still ongoing. Herrera stated that he and the club do not think the same. What does that mean to you? If he's leaving let him leave. It has to be about money
Because you want it to be. If its true that hes been upset about a lack of human touch and conversation about triggering his contract extension instead of giving him a new contract, when he was on 80k and being underpaid compared to the rest of the midfield, then he and the club do not think the same. Its all just speculation until he says what his issue is.
Its also may be the truth, and you're seeing it how you want to see it. If the club have upset him enough to leave he should just do it. Now if he's actually still in negotiations then I highly doubt he's there bitching about a lack of 'human touch' and 'conversation'. PSG must've offered him a deal that he wants United to match.
Miss his presence on the pitch.
It may be the truth but you're just speculating just like the media are
The club fecking up? The horse has bolted. You're desperate to try and twist this to be all about money, even though you're clearly open to the notion that the club had fecked up.
They probably did, but you're not answering the question. Im not desperate for anything, im making an educated guess. If talks are 'ongoing' then what do you think the hold up is especially if the 'horse has bolted'? Can you answer that?
It's great he's going cos we look amazing without him. 
I have answered the question. You're expecting him to disregard everything that comes before. The club fecking up is the reason he hadn't signed a renewal. We are going to have to shown him more now if we want to keep him.
I don't see why you're adamant on marginalising the effect of making little to no attempt to sort out his contract. He was probably perfectly willing to sign an agreement 6 months ago, a year ago, 2 years ago. The club hasn't made an offer though. Instead, we likely posted our decision to trigger his extension clause. Meanwhile, external clubs have made contact, offered him a contract and have been shown to value him far more than we have.
You want to equate that to being a mercenary.
A question. Don't we usually trigger the option when we haven't, or can't come to an agreement with the player for a renewal? I reckon we have been negotiating with him but he wasn't sure for whatever reason and so didn't accept our offer then. We have reportedly been negotiating with him for 18 months so I don't know which report to believe.
What more do the club need to show him if his head is already somewhere else, supposedly with a club that values him more? In practical terms the best way they can do that is match what he's being offered, they fecked up and allowed PSG to inflate his value with their offer but it doesn't mean the club should bow down to his exorbitant wage demands. It appears to me his camp now just want to lay all the blame at the club's feet. He should just take his big pay day and go silently
Which are what? You dont know and neither do I. So how do you know they are exorbitant?
Have we seen the last of him do we think?
Ole's comments more than hinted that there's a bit of a mental side to this little lay off, as well as a niggle.
Ole's comments more than hinted that there's a bit of a mental side to this little lay off, as well as a niggle.
Before his injury he was our best player. How times change.
We're both going by media speculation and coming to our own conclusions which of course could be wrong. My conclusion is that he's holding out for a better deal than what United have offered, and that the reports that PSG offered him something in the range of 200k a week or more than double his salary are within the realms of reality and probably true. What's your conclusion?
Yes, we do, because it is the clubs fault.
You seem to be pivoting a fair amount here. Originally, you said he was a "money grabbing you know what all along." Now, we've established the club has more than likely royally fecked up negotiations with the player up until this point, but you still want to run with the narrative he didn't care for the club and this is all about money. Are you still standing by that?
I havent come to a conclusion.
I feel like theres still a chance he signs a contract at United and wouldnt be surprised if that was the case, that its less than £180k let alone 200k. But I also feel like it seems he's more likely to be off to PSG who are offering a much better deal and making him out to be far more important than we have here.
I was being a tad facetious when I wrote that, to get a response from the romantics who deem him a player who loves and gets the club and would do anything to stay here, the same ones who are usually quick to label other less popular players as soulless mercs because they don't kiss the badge or show as much passion as players like Herrera and Mata. The club did feck up and they should own it, but Herrera is not a 200k-300k a week player. If he wants to stay here and loves the club like his die hard supporters think he does he'll take the significantly improved terms that your source suggests have been put on the table. I don't think he's a money grabbing cnut, but he's probably asking for more than he's worth to the club
Herrera's passion and love for the club cannot be questioned. There are quite a few things that the club and the officials did wrong with handling Herrera. Let me remind you Herrera paid his release clause at Athletico Bilbao to join United. Yes, the money came from United but he didn't need to join us. Secondly, he's stayed at the club for so many years being paid a meagre 70k/ week while players around him were being paid over 120k/ week while he put in really good performances unlike those higher earners. I love Man United but if someone's loyalty is being taken advantage of and United are playing hard ball with a mere 20 to 30k/ week is just preposterous especially when players like Mata is on 140k, Jones is on 80k, Smalling is on 100k and Lingard is on 100k, Sanchez is on ~500k, Matic is on 150k and Fellaini had his contract extended to 170k.... Herrera is the only leader in our dressing room and he brings much more than just his performances to the club onto the field. With that being said, I don't think he's leaving the club for 200k/ week. At the end of the day, he's coming to the end of this career and will look out for himself. If another club who will guarantee atleast a trophy while playing him more come in for him, I would NOT hold that against him.
Really? Seems like you're backtracking to me. Come on, no one believes he's asking for upwards of 300k a week, why are you persisting with this? We've fecked him about, and have only made him a serious offer when teams better than our own have offered him a contract. We've repeatedly dropped him and tried to replace him, and yet come to rely on him as the seasons have progressed. He's never once complained or downed tools, and now we want him to forget all that and sign a new deal when a better one is on the table. He's been here nearly 5 years, without receiving a pay raise, while we've signed some dross and given them significantly more. If we don't want to offer him the same as PSG then fine, we will have to accept that and spend 10x the amount to sign an adequate replacement. I also think it's a bit much to label him a money grabber if he decides to move to PSG.
You're operating in a realm of hyperbole few others really exist in. Have there been many people say he'd do anything to stay at the club?
Im not backtracking, my first response to my original post was the same one I just gave you. I just admitted that I was being a little dramatic to get some responses from his cult followers on here who would remind you time after time that Herrera loves the club and is one of the most committed/devoted players on the team.
The implication has always been that he's a special type of player who would run through a wall for United, the very antithesis of a so called mercenary. No matter what happened a few months ago, (and I have admitted the club fecked up) Herrera's future here depends on him agreeing to improved terms with united, and you're wrong to think money isn't a huge factor. I wish him the best if he does leave, and im not begrudging him the freedom to sign a bigger contract elsewhere if he so wishes
@ivaldo @Ekeke There were reports in Spain last year that Herrera would leave on a free with no intention to renew, perhaps this was always the intention but United's poor treatment of his situation is a gift to those who'd like to shift total blame. Those reports were rubbished, but look what's happening now
http://sportwitness.co.uk/spain-ander-herrera-intends-leave-manchester-united-free-transfer/
Athletic Club Bilbao bringing in €80m from Chelsea for Kepa very quickly led to questions of what they can do with all that lovely money.
The Basque club have a strict recruitment policy which means they can only sign players from the region or with very close links to it. This means the same names are repeatedly linked, often for several years.
Ander Herrera was always going to be one of those linked, with the Manchester United player arriving from Athletic in the first place.
AS cover possible signings for the Basque club and they have a claim on Herrera that’s interesting. It’s stated there’s been transfer approaches to the midfielder this summer but he’s not been interested. He’s content at Manchester United, in the city, and in English football.
Herrera’s contract expires in June 2019 and AS say he intends to fulfil the deal but won’t renew it, and will then look to join a club of his choosing as a free agent.
If Manchester United could bring in a replacement then it may not be the worst idea to see just how much Athletic would be willing to offer, and then the clubs could try and persuade the player.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/spain-ander-herrera-intends-leave-manchester-united-free-transfer/
Athletic Club Bilbao bringing in €80m from Chelsea for Kepa very quickly led to questions of what they can do with all that lovely money.
The Basque club have a strict recruitment policy which means they can only sign players from the region or with very close links to it. This means the same names are repeatedly linked, often for several years.
Ander Herrera was always going to be one of those linked, with the Manchester United player arriving from Athletic in the first place.
AS cover possible signings for the Basque club and they have a claim on Herrera that’s interesting. It’s stated there’s been transfer approaches to the midfielder this summer but he’s not been interested. He’s content at Manchester United, in the city, and in English football.
Herrera’s contract expires in June 2019 and AS say he intends to fulfil the deal but won’t renew it, and will then look to join a club of his choosing as a free agent.
If Manchester United could bring in a replacement then it may not be the worst idea to see just how much Athletic would be willing to offer, and then the clubs could try and persuade the player.
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He will easily be replaced, not worried at all he's going..
I know it's been asked before but really, is there any difference between this policy and the policy of a club that only signs white/black/Asian players?
I think one of the big attractions for fans of Herrera was his apparent passion for the club, and on the pitch (a rare things for us), rather than his actual ability as a top player, so it just leaves a bit of a bad taste the way this is playing out, whoever's fault it is.
What really frustrates me about this situation is that the club are still negotiating with Herrera and Mata. I would love for Herrera to stay as I think he is a key man in midfield but what does it show about the club's shambolic planning that they are still negotiating?
I wouldn't agree with it but I'd rather hear that they told Herrera they weren't renewing and had plans to go another way in midfield (with specific replacements approached and unsettled). At least it might give the slightest impression that they have some sort of idea what they're doing and the summer won't be another reactive clusterfeck.
I wouldn't agree with it but I'd rather hear that they told Herrera they weren't renewing and had plans to go another way in midfield (with specific replacements approached and unsettled). At least it might give the slightest impression that they have some sort of idea what they're doing and the summer won't be another reactive clusterfeck.
If it’s true that he’s rejected £200k pw then PSG are welcome to him.
(Hopefully) With the planned rebuild he’d be a 3rd / 4th choice and those figures for such a player make no sense.
(Hopefully) With the planned rebuild he’d be a 3rd / 4th choice and those figures for such a player make no sense.
In a broader context, no. No difference for me. Its supposedly not a racial thing and the policy is open to players of non Basque descent (but with close ties to the region) but it would appear ethnicity plays a role. The club have one black player on their books, Inaki Williams, and his right to play for the club is always questioned because of his skin color despite being born in the region.
It’s no coincidence that our poor form has coincided with Herrera not playing. I think he’s hugely underrated by United fans and would be a huge loss if he left.
He can easily be replaced, its not like United are losing a world class player
Easily replaced? Yeah if we have 300 m to spend in one summer which we don't.
Not for cheap though.
Average players command 50M nowadays.
Of course it's Woodward and his poor management.
Herrera is not even a 50M player IMO and lets not pretend he was even consistently good during his time at OT. He can and will be easily replaced. How much do you honestly think he's worth?
Thats the going price these days indeed for established slightly above average players, nothing for a team of United's stature its the new reality.
He was poor after his return ffom injury same as matic. None of the strikers are on form rather.
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It would take 100 m to replace Matic and Herrera while we need a top centre back full backs and winger too, we don't have money to replace Herrera as simple as that. Rather let mata Go and give chunk of his wages to herrera.
The most important signing we can make is to give Herrera the contract he wants.
The fact we are at this stage speaks to the incompetence of Woodward.
Without Ander and Matic, the midfield is gutted.
They were controlling the midfield and Pogba was running the show.
But hey. Lets look for another big name to please the plastics.
The fact we are at this stage speaks to the incompetence of Woodward.
Without Ander and Matic, the midfield is gutted.
They were controlling the midfield and Pogba was running the show.
But hey. Lets look for another big name to please the plastics.
52 mill wages for next 5 years to Herrera
If we sign a replacement for 35million on 100K a week wage(25 mil for 5 years) means 60 mil in total !
But there is a more chance we can get a better and young hungry player for that money
Tielmanns is available. He'd be my choice.
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