Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!

[antohan]

Wow

That goes back to the impostor thing with the chap talking halfway through it saying LFP called both Herrera and United to check these guys claims and both denying to have any clue who they were.

Did you notice how clear the LFP employee is about it all at the end? He emphasised the buying club had to deposit the release fee AND THE PLAYER'S CLUB ACCEPT IT.

No wonder the Three Amigos have a dedicated office in Bilbao

 

[jojojo]

Anyway, on the bright side for the player. He trained as normal today. He didn't get booed by the fans. In fact as he was leaving the pitch at the end of training some of them called his name, he waved back and got applauded. I think some of them are feeling sorry for him.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

I wonder if we will make any official statements about all this?

 

[Earthquake]

I wonder if we will make any official statements about all this?

Very doubtful.

 

[Mystry]

Sid Lowe has written an article saying pretty much the same as the one on the previous page. Does paint us as being awfully naive going into the whole thing but not terrible. It's the whole claiming imposters thing to try and distance ourselves which I don't get and is probably the strangest behaviour from us, especially if we do wish to go back and try again and intend to us the same law firm.

 

[LR7]

Anyway, on the bright side for the player. He trained as normal today. He didn't get booed by the fans. In fact as he was leaving the pitch at the end of training some of them called his name, he waved back and got applauded. I think some of them are feeling sorry for him.

Glad to hear that. I felt more sorry for the lad than disappointed that we didn't get him.

 

[Erictheking7]

Sid Lowe has written an article saying pretty much the same as the one on the previous page. Does paint us as being awfully naive going into the whole thing but not terrible. It's the whole claiming imposters thing to try and distance ourselves which I don't get and is probably the strangest behaviour from us, especially if we do wish to go back and try again and intend to us the same law firm.

Exactly, naive and amateur

 

[Earthquake]

Anyway, on the bright side for the player. He trained as normal today. He didn't get booed by the fans. In fact as he was leaving the pitch at the end of training some of them called his name, he waved back and got applauded. I think some of them are feeling sorry for him.

Some good news at least.

 

[Danny1982]

Glad to hear that. I felt more sorry for the lad than disappointed that we didn't get him.

I think that's how most people here are feeling.. I mean let's be honest, most of us haven't even heard about him before he was linked with us.

 

[Ubik]

So we're spinning it that we didn't mess up by leaving it late, we just didn't agree with the valuation and thus the lawyers were imposters. In contrast the league says they were indeed working for us, and we are therefore trying to save face by saying they weren't doing anything on our behalf. Good grief.

 

[#07]

Sid Lowe has written an article saying pretty much the same as the one on the previous page. Does paint us as being awfully naive going into the whole thing but not terrible. It's the whole claiming imposters thing to try and distance ourselves which I don't get and is probably the strangest behaviour from us, especially if we do wish to go back and try again and intend to us the same law firm.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/03/ander-herrera-manchester-unitedSid Lowe's piece for anyone wanting to read the article Mystry mentioned: Ander Herrera's Manchester United move: what made the deal collapse

This bizarre b.s. about the lawyers not acting on our behalf is truly, truly strange. United should've just said 'yeah we sent them there, couldn't get it done' and the case would've been closed. The club hasn't gained face by making this pathetic denial in fact we've lost face. Now every tom, dick and harry is claiming they snubbed us e.g. Galatasaray (link).

 

[An Irish Red]

If we have any decency in us we should try and sign this kid in January.

 

[Revan]

I think that's how most people here are feeling.. I mean let's be honest, most of us haven't even heard about him before he was linked with us.

Only those who don't watch United/Europa League/La Liga

 

[Earthquake]

Sid Lowe's piece for anyone wanting to read the article Mystry mentioned: Ander Herrera's Manchester United move: what made the deal collapse

This bizarre b.s. about the lawyers not acting on our behalf is truly, truly strange. United should've just said 'yeah we sent them there, couldn't get it done' and the case would've been closed. The club hasn't gained face by making this pathetic denial in fact we've lost face. Now every tom, dick and harry is claiming they snubbed us e.g. Galatasaray (link).

Really, if it's true, and we said, yeah, working on it but just cut it too close to the deadline, everyone would have probably had a wee bit of sympathy, and a chuckle thinking, "Yup, shouldn't have been fecking around to do this at the last minute", and that would have been that. Rather than the disasterpiece it's become, and is hopefully dying down.

 

[#07]

Only those who don't watch United/Europa League/La Liga

Its understandable that some people have airbrushed out of their minds how much Bilbao outplayed us in the Europa league I suppose. I'd never seen a team come to Old Trafford and comprehensively outdo us in every area before that, passed us of our own pitch with Herrera at the centre of a great deal of that. Miffed that we haven't got him.

 

[Danny1982]

Only those who don't watch United/Europa League/La Liga

Those who don't watch United? We played them twice. Most people don't recall the names of every player of every team we played against twice.

And most people here don't watch La Liga, and even watching La Liga isn't enough for you to hear about him..

Not saying he's not good though, I just think that's not the main reason why most people are very upset now..

 

[Bebe]

Those who don't watch United? We played them twice. Most people don't recall the names of every player of every team we played against twice.

And most people here don't watch La Liga, and even watching La Liga isn't enough for you to hear about him..

Not saying he's not good though, I just think that's not the main reason why most people are very upset now..

Personally having only seen Herrera play 4 or 5 times (2 of those being against us), I'm upset that we seem to have lost out on a player who appeared a good fit for the squad.

But I'm far more upset (and worried) about the conduct of the club in pursuing Herrera. Losing out on a player is one thing, but the way we acted during the transfer and the summer in general is what really makes my blood boil.

 

[Devil may care]

I'm glad the Bilbao fans didn't turn on him, I'd love us to go back in January and just pay the fecking release clause instead of being tight but I fear any chance has been damaged irreparably after yesterdays disgraceful farce.

 

[LR7]

I think that's how most people here are feeling.. I mean let's be honest, most of us haven't even heard about him before he was linked with us.

Don't get me wrong, I thought he had the right qualities to play for us, and would have been far happier with him than Fellaini, but the point I was making is that for me, it's our overall conduct during this transfer window that has been extremely disappointing, rather than whether or not people's muppet dreams were fulfilled. It's a shame for Herrera who by all accounts really wanted to play for us and was unsettled by the fruitless approach.

 

[Rednails]

Guardian saying that the three lawyers were acting on our behalf, having already handled the Martinez transfer. They advised our Board that there were risks and there was not enough time for it all to go through and so we pulled the plug. But then we still denied that the lawyers were acting for us.

Absolutely diabolical behaviour from us if true.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Guardian saying that the three lawyers were acting on our behalf, having already handled the Martinez transfer. They advised our Board that there were risks and there was not enough time for it all to go through and so we pulled the plug. But then we still denied that the lawyers were acting for us.

Absolutely diabolical behaviour from us if true.

Diabolical is a bit strong. Diabolical would be sending them all to Belize.

I'd say that was more petty.

 

[Mickeza]

If we admitted it didn't go through simply because it ran out of time wouldn't that make things awkward for Herrera? That would be a public declaration that he was willing to buy out his release clause.

 

[jojojo]

Skywarden sent me this link:
http://enentredicho.wordpress.com/2...lpas-rectificacion-y-nuevos-datos/#comment-31

It's from the same journalist who reported that the problem was that Athletic wouldn't accept the cheque. He's now updated his story, apologised for the mistakes in the original version and filled in some more details.

I'll translate it if I get some time later, but basically, this is a much more depressing analysis. As I've already said, rejecting the cheque is only a stalling tactic. If you go to the LFP, they take your money and they don't care whether the selling club accepts it or not - they cancel the contract.

From what he's now been told, we were the ones who were stalling, ultimately not giving the lawyers the power to go ahead and close the deal because we had finally done the deal on Fellaini instead. We then briefed the UK press with the idea that the lawyers had nothing to do with us.

Of course I have no way of knowing if he's right or not but as he was just about the only spanish reporter saying anything remotely favourable to us, it's interesting to see his changes.

 

[Danny1982]

Personally having only seen Herrera play 4 or 5 times (2 of those being against us), I'm upset that we seem to have lost out on a player who appeared a good fit for the squad.

But I'm far more upset (and worried) about the conduct of the club in pursuing Herrera. Losing out on a player is one thing, but the way we acted during the transfer and the summer in general is what really makes my blood boil.

Exactly, and I think that's how most are feeling right now..

 

[Danny1982]

Don't get me wrong, I thought he had the right qualities to play for us, and would have been far happier with him than Fellaini, but the point I was making is that for me, it's our overall conduct during this transfer window that has been extremely disappointing, rather than whether or not people's muppet dreams were fulfilled. It's a shame for Herrera who by all accounts really wanted to play for us and was unsettled by the fruitless approach.

I know, and I agree with you totally.. Like I said:

Not saying he's not good though, I just think that's not the main reason why most people are very upset now..

 

[Danny1982]

Skywarden sent me this link:
http://enentredicho.wordpress.com/2...lpas-rectificacion-y-nuevos-datos/#comment-31

It's from the same journalist who reported that the problem was that Athletic wouldn't accept the cheque. He's now updated his story, apologised for the mistakes in the original version and filled in some more details.

I'll translate it if I get some time later, but basically, this is a much more depressing analysis. As I've already said, rejecting the cheque is only a stalling tactic. If you go to the LFP, they take your money and they don't care whether the selling club accepts it or not - they cancel the contract.

From what he's now been told, we were the ones who were stalling, ultimately not giving the lawyers the power to go ahead and close the deal because we had finally done the deal on Fellaini instead. We then briefed the UK press with the idea that the lawyers had nothing to do with us.

If this is true, I don't think anybody can find excuses for this kind of behavior on our behalf.

 

[Mickeza]

Ogden says this about the three lawyers:

Although the men were not hired by United, their presence was a contingency plan on behalf of Bilbao should the transfer be hit by an unexpected hitch.

I honestly have no idea what to believe anymore.

 

[Amir]

So Bilbao were making an extra effort to make sure it's done? Ahem...

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

No one knows anything basically.

 

[Mainoldo]

So are we getting him in January?

 

[Revan]

Skywarden sent me this link:
http://enentredicho.wordpress.com/2...lpas-rectificacion-y-nuevos-datos/#comment-31

It's from the same journalist who reported that the problem was that Athletic wouldn't accept the cheque. He's now updated his story, apologised for the mistakes in the original version and filled in some more details.

I'll translate it if I get some time later, but basically, this is a much more depressing analysis. As I've already said, rejecting the cheque is only a stalling tactic. If you go to the LFP, they take your money and they don't care whether the selling club accepts it or not - they cancel the contract.

From what he's now been told, we were the ones who were stalling, ultimately not giving the lawyers the power to go ahead and close the deal because we had finally done the deal on Fellaini instead. We then briefed the UK press with the idea that the lawyers had nothing to do with us.

Of course I have no way of knowing if he's right or not but as he was just about the only spanish reporter saying anything remotely favourable to us, it's interesting to see his changes.

Just read the article.
If this is true, than I feel ashamed by United. Seriously, disgusting behavior if it's true.

 

[Revan]

So are we getting him in January?

Likely not because we were going to sign him only if we couldn't sign Fellaini. At-least that article jojojo posted says so.

 

[Earthquake]

So Bilbao were making an extra effort to make sure it's done? Ahem...

Despite, by all accounts not wanting to sell the player in the slightest.


I'm beginning to think absolutely no one has a fecking clue what's gone on.

 

[Dominos]

There's multiple version of events going about now - from neither United or Bilbao having any clue what they were doing there, to them working for us but us denying we knew who they were, to them working for Bilbao.

 

[Mickeza]

Ed should publish his summer memoirs, I bet they're brilliant.

 

[Mainoldo]

Likely not because we were going to sign him only if we couldn't sign Fellaini. At-least that article jojojo posted says so.

Well thats abit hard to believe considering Herrara would hav cost us more.

 

[Dominos]

We pulled out the deal a couple of hours before we sealed Fellaini no? The reason given for us pulling out feels very much like filling in the blanks, although the rest of the info may be correct.

 

[Skywarden]

Cheers jo. No pressure on the translation.

This is just such a bloody mess right now and there have been conflicting reports all day from Lowe, de Azumendi, Balague and Ogden. Some of their reporting connect but some of it doesn't. Then you have the fact that some are backtracking heavily which doesn't make things easier to understand what the hell is going on.

I've never experienced this sort of ambiguity regarding our dealings, and that includes Bébé.

 

[shaggy]

The only important thing now is this hasn't ruined any relationship with the player and club. It would be seriously gutting and frustrating to lose out on a player due to pure ineptness from the board. Didn't work out too well with Ronaldinho did it?

 

[Sarni]

Cheers jo. No pressure on the translation.

This is just such a bloody mess right now and there have been conflicting reports all day from Lowe, de Azumendi, Balague and Ogden. Some of their reporting connect but some of it doesn't. Then you have the fact that some are backtracking heavily which doesn't make things easier to understand what the hell is going on.

I've never experienced this sort of ambiguity regarding our dealings, and that includes Bébé.

Given all recent development I'd say the most believable story would be created by taking Balague's words and reverting them into a complete opposite one after another.