i’ve done a lot of research on crying and this is a 96% match to a politician fake crying when he’s found in the company of rent boys.
Ander Herrera gets emotional talking about when he left Manchester United
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God you lot are cynical bastards.
What's more likely, he's a Machiavellian mastermind or the geniuses who run our club fecked up another contract situation?
He's been fairly clear with what happened and it sounds fairly realistic, ie. United left it late to negotiate which pissed him off so he started speaking to other clubs. It just so happened that PSG offered him a feckload of cash which he'd be mad to turn down at his age.
Had we engaged him in contract talks earlier he likely wouldn't have spoken to PSG in the first place.
I don't get why him having a soft spot for United has to be a lie and a PR game, what's in it for Herrera?
What's more likely, he's a Machiavellian mastermind or the geniuses who run our club fecked up another contract situation?
He's been fairly clear with what happened and it sounds fairly realistic, ie. United left it late to negotiate which pissed him off so he started speaking to other clubs. It just so happened that PSG offered him a feckload of cash which he'd be mad to turn down at his age.
Had we engaged him in contract talks earlier he likely wouldn't have spoken to PSG in the first place.
I don't get why him having a soft spot for United has to be a lie and a PR game, what's in it for Herrera?
He doubled his wages in PSG so he wasn't lucky just with us. He was also instrumental in reaching the final with them.
He was a top player and consistent (I would consider him 2 clicks behind world class) and he was valued by teams. On the contrary, other players (like DDG) can't even get half of what he was paid here in top team.
I looked at his stats in terms of being picked. Now to be fair I liked Herrera, but he was picked about 50% of the games he was available for and he spent about 30% of his time sat on the bench for 90 mins.
100% this
You mean for PSG? That doesn't change the fact that he was among the top performers in their CL run. Even in the final he was in the top 3 performers for PSG.
I'm not sure why you think he would make it up other than so you can justify slagging him off about it, because he has absolutely no motive and nothing to gain from saying what he's said, other than that he gave an interview and was asked about it. If he didn't care about Man Utd I'm also not really sure why he'd agree to do a sit down podcast interview with MUTV to spend ages talking specifically about Man Utd, where aside from this one tiny clip above he is not remotely critical (if you can even call anything he says in the clip critical).
Why are people on here so determined to hate our current and past players based on the most pointless and illogical of reasons? He decided to leave and even if it was for money, United could have offered him more or offered him a better contract sooner. Its no justified reason at all to criticise him or any other footballer who does the same. He didn't strop out of training to force a move or slag the club off to Piers Morgan. His contract ran out and he left. Most clubs aren't dumb enough to get themselves into a situation like that regardless of whether they want to keep a player or not. I remember we had nearly a third of our squad in this situation around the time of this happening with Herrera, which is astoundingly stupid.
Sorry but if I'm a professional footballer and my current club does not offer me a new contract at a point where other clubs will, then obviously I'm going to listen to other offers and then expect my current club to offer something as good or better. Who wouldn't do this other than idiots?...and in the football world even idiots have agents who would make this point for them. This isn't a weird or unjustified way for an employee to behave at all. If I cared about the club I also reckon it'd just piss me off more that they didn't sort out a contract before allowing this situation to occur. Once the better offer is there elsewhere the thought process would be "well why couldn't/can't United just offer me that? its not like they can't afford it"
I don't think its comparable to our jobs either. Football clubs with any sense don't generally let players get into the last 12 months of a contract. They will either make a major effort to keep them or sell them before that point. Otherwise they lose millions in potential sale of an asset and risk being held to ransom by players who they don't even really want but suddenly can't afford to let go. This is why Man Utd ended up stuck with Phil Jones. Even so I've worked in temporary positions between exams etc. in my time. Anywhere employing me under any contract that had an end date on it could get stuffed if somewhere else offered me better, or they fecked me about sorting an extension out for no apparent reason. Why deal with uncertainty when you don't have to? Why is this somehow a stick for people to beat Herrera with rather than simply an indication the club was being run extremely badly?
Tbh its not specifically a Herrera thing, but it just reminds me of how dumb the whole situation was where we had like 8-9 players out of contract at the same time and then suddenly started offering them all new ones. Just classic Woodward insanity.
Edit: it was actually 11 players out of contract. Nearly half the squad https://www.redcafe.net/threads/11-...-expiring-in-the-summer.442143/#post-23173834Never mind how you would feel you'd been treated, you'd have to factor in what kind of a mess you're going to be signing yourself back into and whether you'd end up being the only one left!
I don’t hate Herrera - I just think he is incredibly overrated as a player simply due to him showing Eye catching energy or work rate here - especially since his match against Hazard at Chelsea.
Fred for example showed the same amount of Energy & gets no where near the same amount of respect to Herrera.
Blind at the same time is one of my favorite United players of all time - but people hardly ever talk about him in comparison to how people talk about Herrera like some sort of royal legend during his same time here.
Herrera was a cheater, an actor & a liar on the footballing pitch - it was very enjoyable and even Valuable when it was with our kit on but I don’t necessarily think that this wasn’t part of his personality either - especially considering the way he left us.
Woodward or whoever was giving players unbelievable contracts left right and Centre which has been effecting us even to this date - the chances that we just forgot about Herrera seems extremely unlikely.
Did we just forget about Pogba aswell?
After spending 89million pounds on him?
I highly doubt it.
At the end of the day, he had an offer on the table from Manchester United to extend and he chose PSG's offer instead of ours. PSG blatantly only bought him because they were mad that we knocked them out of the Champions League.
Furthermore, in the interview in the first post Herrera clearly explained that he didn't get a contract extension in the summer of 2017 after he won the Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year award and was Man of the Match in the European League final. Meanwhile, other players did get a contract extension and he felt that he also deserved one. I can understand that he became a bit disillusioned. The management of the club was disastrous.
The only reason he left was Mourinho plain and simple. He’s infallible in the eyes of many though so god forbid they actually place the blame correctly.
Pretty much. Oh yeah, believe the Woodward spin for damage limitation of another of his infamous cockups. That article of him talking about it mentions the new deal being a paycut. But yeah, he wanted £300k a week
Correct, there were reports at the time the spanish guys were miffed as the English guys were getting new contracts, Jones, Shaw, Smalling, etc
His cult is inexplicable to me, he was a pretty mediocre footballer overall.
I don't think we lost anything with him leaving on free at 30. He has been injury-prone since then as he was in his last season at United.
I don't think we lost anything with him leaving on free at 30. He has been injury-prone since then as he was in his last season at United.
Impressive mind reading if true
Left for the cash, always a backup player anyways. He worked his ass off, his best attribute
No….for us. In his time under three managers
A ton of miserable people in here.
Crying because he chose money over Club
I was glad when he left, bang average often injured and a liability.
That was my opinion too. He went to PSG after. Not many of our players could say that. He wasn't Pirlo but I wouldn't have ever had him in the top 10 list of players I thought we should sell.
Edit: Though if what other people are saying about the wage demands is true, I get it now
If I got my salary nearly trebled, I would cry about any previous employer to someone for the sake of it
Never understood the hate or annoyance at Herrera. One of the few players from that LVG/early Jose era that i genuinely liked along with Valencia (right back Tony V 
) and Blind.
He didn't get a contract offer until his last season which was a shitshow under Jose/Ole and was given an opportunity to join a side that could compete in the champions league, win trophies and double his pay. I mean, there aren't many that would say no especially where the club seemed to be heading. I don't doubt he had an affection for United but he probably went with his head and picked a career move. With the way the club was at the time i don't blame him.
I remember him as a very good (but not great) player who actually had some good patches during his time here:
) and Blind.He didn't get a contract offer until his last season which was a shitshow under Jose/Ole and was given an opportunity to join a side that could compete in the champions league, win trophies and double his pay. I mean, there aren't many that would say no especially where the club seemed to be heading. I don't doubt he had an affection for United but he probably went with his head and picked a career move. With the way the club was at the time i don't blame him.
I remember him as a very good (but not great) player who actually had some good patches during his time here:
- Got Steven Gerrard sent off and a wicked assist at Juanfield
- Was our POTY in 16/17 and MOTM in the Europa League final
- Terrific performance and man marking job on Hazard
- Formed a good partnership with Matic and Pogba in that run that got Ole the job
- Spat on the Man City badge after providing an assist for Pogba in the 3-2 win at their ground
While the player who was picked regularly in CM (Fellaini) when he was out of contract was not wanted by anyone in Europe. It says more about how out of date LVG and Jose were already by that time.
I thought he was a very solid player. He was technically good, could take the ball, wasn't afraid to get on the ball, worked hard, good presser. He didn't have decisive quality with his passing or in the final third but as a workhorse midfielder really useful. He'd add something to this current squad if he was at his prime precisely because we've got so many cooks that want to do everything in the top end of the pitch whereas Herrera would help Casemiro.
The reason it wasn't a big loss at the time was he was at the back end of his career and he wouldn't have been the same player in the PL over that contract.
Some really miserable, cynical sorts on here. Clearly not making up emotion is he. Would be absolutely pointless. He was simply a player that enjoyed playing for us and I'm guessing it's the part of his career he enjoyed the most.
The reason it wasn't a big loss at the time was he was at the back end of his career and he wouldn't have been the same player in the PL over that contract.
Some really miserable, cynical sorts on here. Clearly not making up emotion is he. Would be absolutely pointless. He was simply a player that enjoyed playing for us and I'm guessing it's the part of his career he enjoyed the most.
All the people saying he wasnt that good are the same ones happy we signed Fred and thought he'd be better. Ander went to play at PSG, Fred went to Fenerbache so thats one for the ages. Now, he thinks he should have had an offer after his 3rd season. There was no offer at the time. Anyone claiming he wanted such and such an amount of money is just making it up because they want to believe the club did no wrong. But thats very childish. It probably isnt so black and white.
Ander feels we should have given him a new contract after he won fans player of the year and absolutely, we've given players bumper pay deals for nothing compared to that... But theres no rule that the club had to. Its just Ander, his family and his agent's opinion that his future should have been secured at that point. Another player might have been happy to wait until 1 year and negotiate from a point of power, rather than secure their future with years still to go on their deal. If he was actually just after money then he should have been elated that United are coming to the table at the last minute. As it turns out because such a high profile club was interested in him, it was still a position of power for him to sort out his contract in his final year. He didnt want to be in that situation. He's upset that it came to that. And if a big club comes in for you when you feel disrespected at your current club and they havent bothered to sort out your future till during the final season and they offer you a bunch of money, I'm not even going to ask if anyone here would take it. I know most would and would never admit it.
So anyway my opinion is he was extremely good as a combative ball winner but at the time it seemed like we wanted to move towards a single DM (Matic) who was playing poorly. Ander would do all the running and aggressive work winning the ball, and Matic would just be there as a physical player better in the air and getting on the ball and passing it around a bit. It felt redundant to have 2 DMs when Ander was the one doing all the combative work.
So the future would be 1 DM and Ander had never really played as the 1 proper DM. He liked to aggressively press forward and win the ball high up the pitch. If you're the only DM you probably have to curb that and always be deep and in a good position to cover the holes from players out of position. I have no doubt that he could have played the role, but would he have lost some of what made him a good midfielder? Maybe. We wont know.
So we signed Fred, Ander would move on the next season and now many years on we're still playing 2 players in deep DM positions. So we didnt solve our midfield issue and move to that one deep midfielder style releasing the others forward and he would simply have continued to have been a better pick in the 2 DMs position than Matic, McTom and Fred like he was when he left.
Perhaps thats now the idea with Mount. That Casemiro is able to play DM alone and Mount can join Fernandes higher up the pitch. If thats the case... it didnt get off to a good start against Wolves. So hopefully it improves.
Ander feels we should have given him a new contract after he won fans player of the year and absolutely, we've given players bumper pay deals for nothing compared to that... But theres no rule that the club had to. Its just Ander, his family and his agent's opinion that his future should have been secured at that point. Another player might have been happy to wait until 1 year and negotiate from a point of power, rather than secure their future with years still to go on their deal. If he was actually just after money then he should have been elated that United are coming to the table at the last minute. As it turns out because such a high profile club was interested in him, it was still a position of power for him to sort out his contract in his final year. He didnt want to be in that situation. He's upset that it came to that. And if a big club comes in for you when you feel disrespected at your current club and they havent bothered to sort out your future till during the final season and they offer you a bunch of money, I'm not even going to ask if anyone here would take it. I know most would and would never admit it.
So anyway my opinion is he was extremely good as a combative ball winner but at the time it seemed like we wanted to move towards a single DM (Matic) who was playing poorly. Ander would do all the running and aggressive work winning the ball, and Matic would just be there as a physical player better in the air and getting on the ball and passing it around a bit. It felt redundant to have 2 DMs when Ander was the one doing all the combative work.
So the future would be 1 DM and Ander had never really played as the 1 proper DM. He liked to aggressively press forward and win the ball high up the pitch. If you're the only DM you probably have to curb that and always be deep and in a good position to cover the holes from players out of position. I have no doubt that he could have played the role, but would he have lost some of what made him a good midfielder? Maybe. We wont know.
So we signed Fred, Ander would move on the next season and now many years on we're still playing 2 players in deep DM positions. So we didnt solve our midfield issue and move to that one deep midfielder style releasing the others forward and he would simply have continued to have been a better pick in the 2 DMs position than Matic, McTom and Fred like he was when he left.
Perhaps thats now the idea with Mount. That Casemiro is able to play DM alone and Mount can join Fernandes higher up the pitch. If thats the case... it didnt get off to a good start against Wolves. So hopefully it improves.
The crying feels very extra to be fair . I mean, you can get teary, that's normal, but leaving the studio is very odd, unless there's something we don't know about his daughter.
. I mean, you can get teary, that's normal, but leaving the studio is very odd, unless there's something we don't know about his daughter.I also cried when I felt treated unfairly when I was working as a McDonalds' cook. My manager shed tears when I explained to him "me daughter kept asking me dad why are u flipping burgers, my friends dad just order them on Uber". He was touched and promoted me into director of sales (which is the highest title in films), even above his own position. He didn't know I was cutting onions beforehand so it was all alligator tears.
Then one day Wendy's approached me and said they were impressed at our sales growth and offered much more money to be their assistant chief of food & beverage sales exemcutive, I fecked off immediately leaving the manager behind. It is how we roll in professional profession jobs.
Then one day Wendy's approached me and said they were impressed at our sales growth and offered much more money to be their assistant chief of food & beverage sales exemcutive, I fecked off immediately leaving the manager behind. It is how we roll in professional profession jobs.
What? Herrera left the club after Mourinho.
Think he means it was Jose not demanding he be tied down to a new contract earlier
Herrera wanted a new contract but was not offered one, he even says it in his interview.
Hasn't his sob story been that Uniteds contract offer came too 'late'?
Whatever constitutes late for Herrera, as opposed to not receiving one at all?
You obviously don't know this to be true, so why blatantly state it as fact?
I see this massive fallacy all the time on this place (all the people that X are the same people that Y), with no factual basis to actually form a correlation.
I daresay a lot those who did have a soft spot for Ander, could well overlap quite a bit with the ones with a soft spot for Fred, considering they're both high energy, small midfield players who at least look like they give their all on the pitch.
He was incredibly mediocre. Just another forgettable midfielder in a long line of forgettable United midfielders. I've never understood those who talk about him as if his time here was in any way special.
We offered a new contract very late. He certainly would have improved our midfield a great deal back then.
He wasn't special but a very useful squad player. Better than Fred or Van de Beek for example. We would definitely have been better off if he'd stayed for a couple more years.
My only issue with Ander was that he wasn't as comfortable in possession that I hoped he would be.
But outside of that he was a good performer.
But outside of that he was a good performer.
Strange player.
He had the fundamentals to be a great midfielder. Clearly very tactically astute, good passing range, big engine, but in reality... he was wildly inconsistent on the ball.
I'm not sure if it's just OT that turns technically great players to shit, but his passing was so sloppy at times. Whilst his tendency to boot the ball was infuriating.
He had the fundamentals to be a great midfielder. Clearly very tactically astute, good passing range, big engine, but in reality... he was wildly inconsistent on the ball.
I'm not sure if it's just OT that turns technically great players to shit, but his passing was so sloppy at times. Whilst his tendency to boot the ball was infuriating.
It was a rhetorical question mate. He actually was offered a new contract by United which he turned down (confirmed by Herrera) and a few months later he signed a pre-contract with PSG for reportedly double what United were offering. So I'll let you decide if you think United's offer was indeed 'late' as Ander likes to describe it.