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Slating Herrera has been kind of the vogue thing to do since the PSG links started up but it's striking how different our results have been since he hasn't been in the team.
He was never a mobile player.His pace,balance,agility are average or beyond average.Our midfield is totally immobile.David Silva,Kante,Modric,Wijnaldum for example are mobile players not him.Striking but not at all surprising. He added mobility and leadership to the midfield when Ole brought him back into the team and was one of the main reasons behind the improved form under Ole. He has been in the top 3 players since Ole arrived.
His treatment by the club has been disgraceful. It looks extremely likely he will leave and United will once again pay a fortune for a player to replace him. The only difference next season is that he won't be at the club to win his place in the team back by the quality of his performances.
He is only crap because he seems to be going awayThe contrast is incredible, but that won’t stop his detractors. We don’t even need stats to make the point, it’s abundantly clear we just watching us we are passive and insipid without him in there. It isn’t because he’s an incredible player ( he’s a very good player, mind) but no one else gives us what he does.
You are so right, he isn´t crap by any stretch of the imagination. But it fits the narrative these days.He is only crap because he seems to be going away
Suppose they are saying SAF's judgement was terrible as well, because he wanted him.You are so right, he isn´t crap by any stretch of the imagination. But it fits the narrative these days.
We won´t find a cheap replacement for him, I just don´t get why we arent getting him signed for the next 3 years? Many players there who should be shipped out he isn´t one of them.Suppose they are saying SAF's judgement was terrible as well, because he wanted him.
We won´t find a cheap replacement for him, I just don´t get why we arent getting him signed for the next 3 years? Many players there who should be shipped out he isn´t one of them.
Because we dithered like we always do. We pretty much ignored the fact he was on his last year of his contract which allowed PSG to come in and make a good offer. He's not going to feel appreciated when we're dithering on his contract while focusing on shite like Jones and Young. Too late to try and sign him now, unless we table a silly offer like 200k.We won´t find a cheap replacement for him, I just don´t get why we arent getting him signed for the next 3 years? Many players there who should be shipped out he isn´t one of them.
Even after the Sanchez contract, I think we could have done the talks last summer and secured it with normal wage increase. We left it too late until PSG came in.It is because we did not negotiate his contract earlier, then Sanchez got a huge wage which made contract negotiations so much more difficult. We should have really got him on a new deal after we won the EL, he was player of the season and would have been optimistic about the future.
It is because we did not negotiate his contract earlier, then Sanchez got a huge wage which made contract negotiations so much more difficult. We should have really got him on a new deal after we won the EL, he was player of the season and would have been optimistic about the future.
Because we dithered like we always do. We pretty much ignored the fact he was on his last year of his contract which allowed PSG to come in and make a good offer. He's not going to feel appreciated when we're dithering on his contract while focusing on shite like Jones and Young. Too late to try and sign him now, unless we table a silly offer like 200k.
We left it late because we thought it was a easy job getting him back on board.
The problem is that Sanchez and his contract really did screw things up.
Now everyone wants 200k or more.
It would have been 100 times easier to sign up Jones and Young, yet we clearly prioritised them. Herrera has actual interest from good teams, so leaving it late lead to PSG turning his head.We left it late because we thought it was a easy job getting him back on board.
The problem is that Sanchez and his contract really did screw things up.
Now everyone wants 200k or more.
I dont blame him, when he sees that Rojo makes more money than him and plays like 2 games a year.
It would have been 100 times easier to sign up Jones and Young, yet we clearly prioritised them. Herrera has actual interest from good teams, so leaving it late lead to PSG turning his head.
It's a pity SAF didn't get to sign him as I think he would have used him as he was played at Bilbao.We won´t find a cheap replacement for him, I just don´t get why we arent getting him signed for the next 3 years? Many players there who should be shipped out he isn´t one of them.
This is such a myth. Sanchez contract has nothing to do with it.We left it late because we thought it was a easy job getting him back on board.
The problem is that Sanchez and his contract really did screw things up.
Now everyone wants 200k or more.
It's a pity SAF didn't get to sign him as I think he would have used him as he was played at Bilbao.
Yet Rojo is who is always injured and is rubbish when he does play gets a pay rise and extended contract.Let's not rewrite history here ,under Jose Herrera was just a squad player and was being linked with a return to Bilbao. When Ole took over in December that's when he got back to being an important starter and probably when he caught Psg's eye. With that context in mind he wasn't seen as very important and hence the club took their time with relation to renewing his contract.
I've said this for years now. Herrera is one of very few players in our squad who gets what it means to be a Manchester United player, he has the workrate, talent and passion that every player on that pitch should aspire to. I thought he'd be a future captain, can't believe we're letting him leave whilst handing out contracts to the likes of Jones and Young. It symbolises how rotten to the core this club has become with Woodward pulling the strings. I become more and more convinced that everything the man does is with the aim of increasing our revenue in a bid to make us a more attractive selling prospect and the footballing side be damned.
I bet that the ones that think that he is crap and is a bless that he is leaving are the same ones that defend so much Martial.
Yet Rojo is who is always injured and is rubbish when he does play gets a pay rise and extended contract.
Totally agree! Herrera reminds me a little of Heinze. A guy who gives everything for the club and totally gets what it means. I see him as captain material. Also it's about the sum of the parts not the individuals. Herrera raises the others, especially Pogba. I'd love to see Herrera, Pogba and Fred right now.
Is Herrera available for City?
Intelligence is incredibly overrated. This is a player that can't pass under pressure and often passes back before he even gauges what's ahead of him. It's also odd how people are blaming the club for the player's greed like he isn't a grown man that can be held accountable for his actions. "If we hadn't given Sanchez that contract we wouldn't have turned Herrera greedy"My hunch is that his mobility and intelligence really helped Pogba perform. His loss is more of the Sanchez salary effect - Woodward's utter incompetence made flesh.
Intelligence overrated?Intelligence is incredibly overrated. This is a player that can't pass under pressure and often passes back before he even gauges what's ahead of him. It's also odd how people are blaming the club for the player's greed like he isn't a grown man that can be held accountable for his actions. "If we hadn't given Sanchez that contract we wouldn't have turned Herrera greedy"
Intelligence overrated?
Absolute nonsense.
Yes they're blaming the club because the club fecked up. They let him know about his automatic renewal via post. They left him in the dark for 3 months at the beginning of the year regarding renegotiations, and now want him to accept a contract lower than those offered by other clubs who were only alerted to his position because of United's complete negligence. And now we have ridiculous numbers like 250k and 300k being bandied around, despite all common sense suggesting that really aren't realistic, and people are willfully accepting these numbers are genuine because they're upset he doesn't want to bend the knee to a club thats treated him with contempt?
Let's not rewrite history here ,under Jose Herrera was just a squad player and was being linked with a return to Bilbao. When Ole took over in December that's when he got back to being an important starter and probably when he caught Psg's eye. With that context in mind he wasn't seen as very important and hence the club took their time with relation to renewing his contract.
Simon Peach, chief sports writer for the Press Association.Where are you getting all this information from?
Simon Peach, chief writer for the Press Association.
Crazy that this was almost entirely ignored, yet an article from a freelance cricket writer who isn’t even authenticated on Twitter, citing demands of 300k a week has been taken as gospel by many.Wow, Shocking stuff from the club if true. Do they even have rapport with our players? Or do they just look at them as numbers on a balance sheet. To be honest, that would explain a lot.
Simon Peach, chief sports writer for the Press Association.
I take the general point about not being just the quality of player that we need, but definitely one of the few that played for the badge every time he played.Yeah he was wank for most of this season and all of the previous season. One of our most disappointing players under Mourinho. Had a great wee run of form when Ole took over but that didn’t last long.
He’s a strange one. Sometimes looks absolutely great. Often looks terrible. And never really looks like he has the passing ability and awareness to play CM to a very high level.
He’s also a dreadful fecking cheat. We cast a blind eye to it because he’s a United player but would despise his antics at any other club. In a way it’s quite fitting that his departure is the ultimate act of being a sneaky cnut because being a a sneaky cnut has defined a lot of his United career so far.
Am i reading that right? The guy who tried to force a transfer to Liverpool?
I agree generally about Herrera, but you couldn't have picked a worse example to compare him against.
Lazy bastard.
I take the general point about not being just the quality of player that we need, but definitely one of the few that played for the badge every time he played.
Total over exaggeration of the cheating accusation though.
Not an over exaggeration at all. He constantly play-acts, makes cynical fouls and tries to get opposition players booked. Obviously it’s never bothered me much so long as it helps us win. We’d despise him if he did it for a different team though.
Cynical fouling is a prerequisite of any combative midfielder. Not keen on the playacting either but he is no Ashley young in that category.Not an over exaggeration at all. He constantly play-acts, makes cynical fouls and tries to get opposition players booked. Obviously it’s never bothered me much so long as it helps us win. We’d despise him if he did it for a different team though.