It's just random word whoscored use for losing tackle. If you don't attempt to tackle then as per stats you will never be dribbled past.
It should read as Herrera won 5 out of 11 tackles.
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It's just random word whoscored use for losing tackle. If you don't attempt to tackle then as per stats you will never be dribbled past.
It should read as Herrera won 5 out of 11 tackles.
The definition of mediocrity. Wouldn't look out of place in a mid table side. I'd have Aaron Mooy instead of him.
It was one bad game.
He's had many more brilliant ones this season
He's had many more brilliant ones this season
Worst performance in a United shirt as far as I'm concerned but I don't get people writing him off or saying he should be a squad player. He had two bad games, he'll get back to his best.
There's one name that makes me confident in the big games and one name only, Ander Herrera. Someone who'll win back the ball and actually have the nerve to keep it. Someone who'll leave it all out on the pitch.
Fickle does not start to describe some of you.
There's one name that makes me confident in the big games and one name only, Ander Herrera. Someone who'll win back the ball and actually have the nerve to keep it. Someone who'll leave it all out on the pitch.
Fickle does not start to describe some of you.
He is a poor mans Fletcher. Decent player, hard worker, just lacks any exceptional qualities on the ball or that extra edge of athleticism that Fletcher at his best had.
30 in the summer and relies a great deal on his stamina and running power so not sure that awarding him a 4 year extension would be sensible.
30 in the summer and relies a great deal on his stamina and running power so not sure that awarding him a 4 year extension would be sensible.
Still not sharp.
Much better than Fletch
20 year old Fletch, or post Colitis Fletch maybe, but in his best years at Utd? Not even close. I don't think Herrera is a bad player, he is above average, just nothing exceptional about his game.
If he goes, he goes. We’ll recover. I don’t see him ageing well as a player. Him being stuck on £200k a week would end up being more of a liability.
He gave his heart to the club. Credit to him for that. But we should be looking to upgrade soon. It might just have to be a season sooner.
He gave his heart to the club. Credit to him for that. But we should be looking to upgrade soon. It might just have to be a season sooner.
Fletch had 1 single season where he comes even close to winning the ball as much as Ander. Passing fairly similar, edge to Fletcher maybe
He's not a player who should be allowed to leave on a free. Every team needs a squad and this squad can not win without him.
Winning the ball is just one part of playing a defensive midfield role. Herrera is very good at getting a foot in and sneaking the ball away but Fletcher was massively superior in covering ground at speed. Remember that he played in a more expansive team who regularly committed numbers forward and left a great deal of space to be exploited on the counter, Fletch knew when to press and when not to, knew how to cover space and force a secondary choice of pass. On the ball Fletcher had more range in his passing but Herrera is probably technically stronger, just terribly unambitious when he does have the ball.
Fletcher also much better in the air defensively, important on set pieces.
Of course none of us want him to leave on a free. I would prefer he stayed. But there is a chance that he’s made up his mind. We can’t succumb to his demand of £200k a week. We should wrapped his contract up a year ago. Now we’re in this situation.
All I’m saying is that he’s replaceable. And losing him won’t be as bad in hindsight.
He has these rough patches and great patches. That's what makes him kinda top 8 or top 6 level for me as opposed to premier league winning midfielder.
Hes alright though. An asset to have.
Hes alright though. An asset to have.
I don't think salary is the issue, I think it's contract length which is holding things up as he is near his 30's and woodward's new policy of offering short extensions to players near or past 30's could be holding the issue.
You post a lot of tackle stats when it comes to this topic but they aren't the only indicator of defensive quality. Players like Kante and peak Fletcher when they don't win tackles steer players away from waltzing through the center. Herrera doesn't have the same effect. He makes a fair amount of tackles and interceptions to his credit but he also sometimes has poor timing and decision making on when to close down and risk leaving gaps in the middle. Overall he's a decent contributor but far from a defensive juggernaut
I didn’t know that. I don’t think we should be breaking this policy for him or Mata. Greater servants to this club have adhered to this policy. I would expect them them either sign a year’s extension or move on. As I say, I like him for the work-rate and drive but he’s someone that can and should eventually be replaced within the next 18 months.
I trust Ole to make the right decision. Would like him here as a squad player, not a starter.
Kante did when he was at his best and he shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as Fletcher.
Kante makes less tackles this season because he's pushed further forward and isnt playing as well in general. But also because in the new role he's putting more energy into attacking than before
Unless I'm misunderstanding, you think Herrera is better than Fletcher who is better than Kante? In any case my point is tackling stat is really just one aspect of defensive contribution. There are several aspects to defending that don't show up on stats. I wouldn't think Herrera measured up to those two defensively regardless of if his tacking/interception stat was higherKante did when he was at his best and he shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as Fletcher.
Kante makes less tackles this season because he's pushed further forward and isnt playing as well in general. But also because in the new role he's putting more energy into attacking than before
That’s not a new policy. I’m pretty sure our policy has always been short extensions/rolling contracts for older players, even back in the Gill days.
No, Kante and Ander are better than Fletcher who had 1 real good season compared to their many.
Ander is great at both tackling and intercepting together, those being the base skills for ball winning and ball winning being an incredibly important part of being a DM.
If ball winning isnt important to being a DM then Matic would still be good.
Fletcher was better going forward, as a CM. In his best season (09/10) he set up more chances than Ander does for us now.
While giving 5 year extensions to likes of Rojo and jones
, but quoting a stupid rule for a player who actually contributes and deserves it. What a great policy.While giving 5 year extensions to likes of Rojo and jones
While I don’t agree that Jones or Rojo deserved any long contracts, I agree with continuing the policy of short contracts for older players. I mean look at the absolute disaster that is Sanchez, and we’re tied to him for close 4 more years. Herrera relies heavily on his energy levels. That could very easily drop off next season, and then we’re not left with much.
The only players I would make an exception on this policy for are Messi or Ronaldo. Literally only those two.
According to Duncan Castles, Herrera has signed pre-contract terms with PSG ahead of a summer move
It’s hard for me to be too sad. He’s been good but not great
A United team fighting for the title needs a better player regularly in that CM
A United team fighting for the title needs a better player regularly in that CM
Duncan Castles is saying he's gone. more money and to play for a better side? understandable decision. good luck to him.
its a hit for United though, because he's a good player and we don't have a lot of quality in midfield.
its a hit for United though, because he's a good player and we don't have a lot of quality in midfield.
So instead of accepting reasonable wage demands we're letting him go on a free.
And there is no way we are replacing him with a superior or even equal player given the costs involved. If they weren't prepared to pay an extra 25-50k a week for a three year contract, no chance are we buying a top class replacement.
Fellaini gone, Herrera gone, Matic declining, Fred yet to prove himself, Pogba's head turned.
Our midfield is post-apocalyptic.
And there is no way we are replacing him with a superior or even equal player given the costs involved. If they weren't prepared to pay an extra 25-50k a week for a three year contract, no chance are we buying a top class replacement.
Fellaini gone, Herrera gone, Matic declining, Fred yet to prove himself, Pogba's head turned.
Our midfield is post-apocalyptic.
How much are these "reasonable wage demands" that you know all about.
I need to know, to decide if I'm indifferent or outraged.
Castles said "around 180k"
Which, according to this, would make him our 6th highest paid player.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...l-Luke-Shaw-new-contract-Pogba-Sanchez-Lukaku
Doesn't seem too bad to me given he's probably been within our 3 best players this season. Still I'd have expected around £150k
Excellent character to have in the dressing room and leads by example. It's unfortunate that he's leaving.
But if we replace him with someone like Neves I think we'll be fine.
But if we replace him with someone like Neves I think we'll be fine.
I have an overriding feeling that our club will not reach the heights it once enjoyed until the majority of the players have been replaced.
Since Fergie retired, and to some extent before that, we have handsomely rewarded mediocrity.
A mediocre player should be paid accordingly, as should a star player.
We have been giving golden contracts out, to attract and keep players whose contributions don't deserve their inflated fees.
Players hold all the cards in negotiations at the moment. I'd like to see us weight wages far more towards performance related bonuses.
If for example Kane wanted £250k a week to come, we offer £180k plus £100k if he scores 25 goals. £25k for every 5 goals over that.
Someone driven and confident will choose that deal, and confident , driven players are what we should be aiming for.
Maybe shake those numbers up to include more team-centric aims, but you catch my drift.
Since Fergie retired, and to some extent before that, we have handsomely rewarded mediocrity.
A mediocre player should be paid accordingly, as should a star player.
We have been giving golden contracts out, to attract and keep players whose contributions don't deserve their inflated fees.
Players hold all the cards in negotiations at the moment. I'd like to see us weight wages far more towards performance related bonuses.
If for example Kane wanted £250k a week to come, we offer £180k plus £100k if he scores 25 goals. £25k for every 5 goals over that.
Someone driven and confident will choose that deal, and confident , driven players are what we should be aiming for.
Maybe shake those numbers up to include more team-centric aims, but you catch my drift.
Since Ander joined, he has started 91 PL games. We won 46 drawn 25 lost 20. During this period we have played 92 PL matches when Herrera didn't start. Our record when he doesn't start is 54 wins 22 draws and 16 defeats. If you then adjust for changes after he was substituted or came on as a sub, the net effect is zero, with 11 points gained being cancelled out by 11 points lost (If Herrera comes on as a sub with the score level then we win the game, that's an improvement of 2 points. Alternatively, if he started then was substituted with the score level but we win the game, that's a loss of 2).
Herrera started 42 home and 49 away, which goes some way towards explaining the gap, as does starting slightly more matches against the big 5 than he didn't start. On a like for like basis, taking into consideration the strength of opponent and home/away, our record with him playing is very similar to when he hasn't been on the pitch.
I like Ander and until recently he has performed very well under Solskjaer but the club needs to be a lot more careful about the type of contracts it offers to players in their 30s (or in this instance, will turn 30 before the start of the new season), especially those in positions in which work-rate is vital. We have a long history of ridiculous contracts given to Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Sanchez etc when a decline in performance is exactly what you'd expect given the age curve of most footballers.
Herrera started 42 home and 49 away, which goes some way towards explaining the gap, as does starting slightly more matches against the big 5 than he didn't start. On a like for like basis, taking into consideration the strength of opponent and home/away, our record with him playing is very similar to when he hasn't been on the pitch.
I like Ander and until recently he has performed very well under Solskjaer but the club needs to be a lot more careful about the type of contracts it offers to players in their 30s (or in this instance, will turn 30 before the start of the new season), especially those in positions in which work-rate is vital. We have a long history of ridiculous contracts given to Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Sanchez etc when a decline in performance is exactly what you'd expect given the age curve of most footballers.
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It probably would have been less than 150K if we'd sorted the contract a season ago.
I'll be sad to see him go but if he's going it's time to start giving Fred games instead of him.
I tend to agree, you want him to be great, but he is too erratic in performance level. If he goes we are even more dependant on Pogba staying, and the club will have to bend over for him
If he goes, then he will be replaced by someone, hopefully considerably better going forward.
180 k? that's madness. The sooner we start realizing that players like him are rank average and don't deserve that sort of money the better.
Being reported that he's off to PSG on a free....
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport...nder-herrera-leave-manchester-united-14218660
Cheerio, ya greedy bastard.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport...nder-herrera-leave-manchester-united-14218660
Cheerio, ya greedy bastard.
Is a 30-year old squad player worth having if it means the club has to bend over backwards, just because he embodies the "spirit of the club"? I really don't think so.
For one, in Ole we have someone who can bring the United spirit to the dressing room better than pretty much everyone. Then there's Phelan and Carrick (and dare I say Ashley Young).
If Herrera was at least four or five years younger and a guaranteed starter then maybe his and his agents' tantrums could be worth dealing with.
But if he's pulling this shit right now, especially after what we did in Paris against PSG, then he's losing favour with me really really really quickly.
For one, in Ole we have someone who can bring the United spirit to the dressing room better than pretty much everyone. Then there's Phelan and Carrick (and dare I say Ashley Young).
If Herrera was at least four or five years younger and a guaranteed starter then maybe his and his agents' tantrums could be worth dealing with.
But if he's pulling this shit right now, especially after what we did in Paris against PSG, then he's losing favour with me really really really quickly.
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