Someone said a ball came through a lot of legs and Ander got himself in a knot. Wayne's was a similar chance to the Everton goal and he got nowhere near it. A decent striker would have scored.
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Matteo was great early on and his form has dipped. He's a bully is our Louis. Maybe they are fed up with the tactics and certain players getting a free pass.Quit bullying easy targets like Ander.
PS: He hasn't been great lately though. In a bit of a rut, much like Darmian. In the red zone perhaps?
The one where Martial plays a pass across the box and Herrera misses his shot. Around the penalty spot.
That's fine he should have scored, but to call him out on it and not on Wayne being unable to get on the end of stuff is not great. As I said he is going to split that dressing room.
Thanks, I remember now.
He slipped and missed the chance, so no idea why he is pointing that out in the press, the answer is obvious. Talk about that in private ffs.
Not to mention, if he is going to call players for missing chances, then how come he never mentions the chances that Rooney messes up.
I didn't say I agree with van Gaal. Herrera mis-kick is something that can happen. Nonetheless IMO Herrera has mostly been below his standard this season, but the treatment he's receiving from van Gaal in public ever since van Gaal arrived at the club is absolutely bizarre. Don't think any other player gets called out as often and it's the manager who can't make the best use of him.
When he couldn't work out what to do with ADM, doesn't know what Martials best position is. Are you completely surprised.
LVG just mentioned Herrera since he had a chance. I don't think there's much else to it. Not like he can say...
"In the game, Wayne Rooney could have done something but he didn't. I asked him and he didn't know why."
"In the game, Wayne Rooney could have done something but he didn't. I asked him and he didn't know why."
No, not really, if you put it like that. Moyes was criticised for calling out the players and not taking responsibility for bad performances, the same currently applies to van Gaal in my eyes.
I think to get the best out of a player like Ander Herrera you need movement around him. No good expecting him to pick the ball up and beat players since that isn't his game and he can only play incisive passes if the players in front of him are pulling defenders out of position
I think it might be time to bring Depay back into the side now, OK he has been hit and miss but he tries things, we have too many safe players
I think it might be time to bring Depay back into the side now, OK he has been hit and miss but he tries things, we have too many safe players
He was complete dogshit today, capping off a dodgy run of games.
Was very surprised not to see him hooked after an hour.
If I were LvG I'd be tempted to drop him and give Pereira a game or two in that position.
But yeah, something something something, Rooney.
Was very surprised not to see him hooked after an hour.
If I were LvG I'd be tempted to drop him and give Pereira a game or two in that position.
But yeah, something something something, Rooney.
Seriously doubt its LvG telling him to miss place passes. At one point today, from a throw in he just hoofed it blindly overhear into the centre of the park, straight to a palace player.
He needs to pull his head of his hole, maybe thats why LvG comments on him, he may need to be managed slightly differently, maybe.
Herrera must (not always) start.
Hasn't played well in the last three or so matches but LVG calling him out like that is fecking uncalled for especially when he is too scared to do anything about our worst player. You can't be inconsistent like that and expect to retain the respect and loyalty of your players. Herrera has a few flaws to his game that stop him from being a world class player but the player we see this year has been completely bullied into submission and all the things that made him such an exciting player at the start of last season have been coached out. Same thing with Mata and Rooney.
You think the first touch has been coached out of Rooney?
Mata scored 18 goals in 82 games for Chelsea, he has scored 18 in like 50 games for us. So he has actually improved with us.
In the very post you quoted I said that Herrera has been below his standard, which he has been for most of his time at United. He hasn't consistently been as good as he was at Athletic and a good part of that is down to van Gaal and his philosophy.
He was shite today because of his technical ability, it had nothing to do with philosophy or anything else.
Mata passes it out to Martial who crossed it to Herrera who fluffed it. Didn't manage to angle his body correctly for the shot it seemed.
I think though, that you can probably say the same about Herrera, Mata and Rooney. If you had just one of the three, and substituted in 2 of the likes of Martial as well as the young man himself, we'd be altogether more vibrant
Basically like the rest of the team for several games then, which is a total coincidence. He wasn't the only player, who gave the ball away in stupid areas.
Rooney's problems go much deeper than simply having stuff coached out of him, I'll grant you that. Mata has the 'stats' but comparing his influence in this United side against what he did with Chelsea you'll see that he is now less influential as a creative force.
I never said he was, the entire team was shite today, but this thread is about Herrera's performance, he was shite today, and would've been shite regardless of philosophy, unless the philosophy was to play pointless passes really badly.
Ridiculous for him to target like that.
That's what I don't agree with. He completed 93% of his passes today, best completion rate with Schweinsteiger. Surely that's in line with the philosophy. Obviously plaiying badly isn't, but he isn't the only one failing to show up. Yet he's repeatedly spoken of in public by van Gaal, while others are overlooked, which is the point I'm trying to make. I don't disagree with your assessment of him, but I do disagree with van Gaal being unable to give credit where it's due and at the same time being quick to point the finger.
Wonder if he asked Rooney about the ball through from Martial? No, that would be stupid. Seriously, what kind of answer is he expecting from Herrera there, 'nah gaffer, just didn't feel like scoring yet'
Bar one or two no one deserves any credit for that performance.
LvG said - ""In the last minute of the first half, Ander Herrera could have finished it but he didn’t. I asked him and he didn’t know why." - I haven't seen it but I'd assume he was probably asked about our chances to win the game, arguably that was our best chance because the ball was to feet and he fecked it up - I don't really see that as pointing the finger and I'd say if you're gonna take that comment as some sort of stinging OTT criticism I'd say you're being a bit precious.
As for not commenting on Rooney, I'd imagine he thinks there has been enough comment on Rooney from the press on him, and the last thing he needs, in the context of trying to get Rooney back into any sort of form, is to give the press more fuel for headlines - "Van Gaal lays blame for poor performance with Rooney" - as it's hardly going to be productive.
Aside from anything, fans give far too much credence to what managers say to the press, it's not as if they don't talk to players, and most likely say something completely than they do to the press which is obviously a pain in the arse for them.
That dive was disgraceful. Cut that shit out Ander.
Don't want him diving. That isn't good. You wonder if LvG has told him not to do it. SAF had to with our Ashley.
I'm talking in general about giving credit where it's due. He struggles to say or dislikes saying good things about individual performances, when we played well.
It's not criticism, but why has he to single out players, when the whole team is playing badly? We've had 2 chances, Rooney's freekick and Herrera's mis-kick, if I remember it correctly, hardly enough to win the game or score enough goals. On the one hand he's always saying his players are human beings and at the same time they have to be extremely efficient and there's no room for mistakes at all.
Managers definitely say different things to the media than to the players. Players and fans are nonetheless aware, what their managers or coaches say and react to it. Scholes didn't say without reason that one of Ferguson's best traits was how he protects his players. I just don't agree with singling out one player specifically, when team as whole is struggling for a prolonged period of time.
But lots of managers do that, refuse to single out players for praise, team game etc. At the same time, in the midst of such sketchy form, perhaps it's hard to find someone to single out for praise.
But he has singled people out for praise in the past, including Herrera:
LvG on Herrera said:
LvG on Smalling said:
LvG on Young said:
LvG on De Gea said:
LvG on Mata said:
LvG after Martials handball said:
And as I say, its not as if he has singled out Herrera and slaughtered him in the press.
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Very poor today I thought. He's not really suited to that number 10 role IMO. He plays too safe and doesn't drive forward enough.
Had a bad game. After coming in and being really good it looks like he's lost form really quickly. Wish he'd have buried that chance, probably didn't help his confidence after that.
Should have taken a touch with his chance.
The role he had last season was more suited to him, linking up with Mata and Valencia. I was hoping in the summer that we would build on that 3 man midfield, giving him a more creative partner than Fellaini, but i know that LvG prefers the formation we play now.
Looking at squwaka I find it rather depressing that he's taken 6 shots all season, which is the same number as Skrtel, Kompany and Micah Richards. It's also two shots less than Otamendi whose played 1 game less. He's currently shooting once every 80 minutes played on average.
In contrast, Januzaj took 3 shots in his 2 appearances for us, that totalled 125 minutes.
In contrast, Januzaj took 3 shots in his 2 appearances for us, that totalled 125 minutes.
I can't believe his dive in the penalty area hasn't been mentioned, embarrassing. Delaney wasn't near him.
It was appalling, he needs to cut that shit out I remember him doing something similar against Arsenal in the FA Cup last season. Just goes to show how desperate we are at the moment...
I can't go into a thread without seeing Rooney being mentioned. 
Anyway, haven't watched our last two games, as I've been on holiday. Not like I missed much by the sounds. Judging by the comments, Ander wasn't great in the Palace game.
I personally still think to get the best out of him, and the whole team, for that matter, we need to go with the system we used at the back end of last season - a 4141, with Ander either being the 8 or the most advanced midfielder (same position Fellaini played).
Anyway, haven't watched our last two games, as I've been on holiday. Not like I missed much by the sounds. Judging by the comments, Ander wasn't great in the Palace game.
I personally still think to get the best out of him, and the whole team, for that matter, we need to go with the system we used at the back end of last season - a 4141, with Ander either being the 8 or the most advanced midfielder (same position Fellaini played).
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Played a lot better Wednesday without Herrera as a number 10, really don't think he's the right player for the role and would much prefer him competing for a place in that midfield 2.
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