Only played a beautiful through ball leading to the goal, I take it number 10's don't do that?
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Only played a beautiful through ball leading to the goal, I take it number 10's don't do that?
Huh? played a wonderful through ball to valencia for the goal and created the headed chance for rooney. Was the only one trying to speed up the play. I thought he was far and away our motm.
I've noticed with Herrera he's never taking his time to make the pass. He's so aware of what's going on he's looking to release it quickly to the right player or the right area. It's why we play so much better with him in the side; he has the ability to sharpen the tempo.
Did well in the second half. Spent less time dawdling on the ball.
Strange perception of him tbh. I think he's underrated by opposition fans, but overrated by United fans.
Strange perception of him tbh. I think he's underrated by opposition fans, but overrated by United fans.
He was good. The criticisms are odd in that he was the least of our problems.
had a good enough game , not great not bad.
He was essential to our 30 mins of good play in the second half but not great outside of it. Better in a midfield three rather than as a #10.
I thought he held the ball up well and linked well with Lingard.
Nobody was fabulous, but as you say we had a couple of real problems playing for us tonight and Ander was not one of them. At least he does try to create. Wayne just destroys most of our attacks.
I like Lingard.
He was rubbish in the first half, but then became a lot better as the game wore on - not his best game though.
Was it anyones? Not sure I would be great in the freezing cold at around midnight.
that's obviously BS, he was our best player today, set up the goal well, linked and broke up the play when needed. Deinitely should start every other game , he's our most important player..
I thought he was one of very few poitives tonight
He was.
Agreed. How anyone can complain about his performance tonight I really don't understand....
People who don't understand or know to watch how intelligent footballers move and need others to move in order to do damage with passes will complain.
Problem is everyone is looking at the Everton game. This is a different game, different circumstances and against different players. On a pitch that likely not up to PL standard, in the freezing cold and at a weird time. I still don't get why it wasn't a teatime kickoff.
Did very well for the goal and a couple of nice moments but feck me, he was very negative for a 10. As Scholes said, his first inclination was always to go backwards. Watching him and Mata do the same, though, you start to wonder if they're just following instructions.
Ander needs people to move for him. Martial and Lingard tried but Rooney isn't pulling up trees.
Yeah, the re-shuffle suited him. Until then, he was really struggling to influence the game. First half performance was crap really.
They must be because that just isn't their natural game.
Well when he first joined he was passing forwards and being positive and then he got benched, so you would think it's Van Gaal's orders.
We also stayed too wide today. Nobody in the centre trying to drag their defensive line out of shape. So naturally people would accuse him of being negative or having little impact.
That's the job of a number 10 too.
I'm not saying it isn't. And Ander was dropping in and out of pockets of space demanding for the ball many times if you could rewind and watch the first half again. He was constantly on the move.
It's awkward when one minute we have a 2nd striker No. 10, then an attacking midfielder No.10. He was likely constantly on the move to keep warm. I like Ander running from deep into the box.
Whether by accident or design, he wasn't playing the #10 role tonight. He and Bastian/Fellaini were working opposite sides of the pitch. Lingard would then drift into the centre.
His was a lot more central against Everton, I thought.
Christ no, that would be a cruel and unusual punishment.
Yes, he dropped in and out of space but he never made any killer passes, give and goes, shots on goal, or posed any kind of attacking threat. He also gave the ball away a lot more than he did against Everton.
The whole team was shite in the first half but you'd have to be incredibly biased to not see that Hererra was ineffectual too.
He was a 10 in the first half, ahead of BFS and Schneiderlin. When Fellaini came on we changed formation to 433 with Morgan anchoring midfield and Fellaini/Hererra further forward. Hererra was much better in that new role.
It's kinda hard to do that when we were happy to piss around in the middle of the park. Put yourself in his shoes. If you've ever played as a midfielder in football you'd know how hard it is when nobody on your team wants to make any runs behind the defence, or when that same defence sits so deep and all your team mates are happy to do is knock it side to side in slow ponderous fashion.
I am most certainly not disputing that he was ineffective but you have to see why he was unable to make an impact.
Not surprising as he isn't really a #10. Might be our best option there right now but that's not quite the same thing.
He had the highest passing accuracy in the team and only Schneiderlin had more passes in general, all while being our most creative player, playing great pass for our goal and creating clear goal chance for Rooney.
Also he wasn't really a number 10, he mostly played on the right side of midfield with our other midfielder playing more to the left.
You are incredibly harsh on him.
Pretty bad tonight, didn't link the midfield with attack well. Didn't really have any aggression either, he can turn his defender so well and does nothing with that opportunity.
That paragraph you quoted was about the first half. Everything in bold happened after half-time.
My bad then, but even in first half he was one of our best players and definitely last one who deserves criticism.
See, I think the midfield, in part due to our unusual amount of possession, was more or less operating the same way in both halves. Schweinsteiger would often be picking up similar pockets of space to Herrera over on the left side, with Herrera working with Valencia and Lingard down the right. Neither of them had any real joy, it must be said.
The positional differences were marginal if at all. I certainly don't think this performance was like your traditional #10, but then I don't think that will ever be the case with Herrera.
We'll agree to disagree. I saw a very clear change in formation when Fellaini came on.
Coolboggles my mind that people can say stuff like that.
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