Amorim's Mourinho problem

fastwalker said:
Amorim's recent comment about the current United team being the "worst team in Man United in history" and the earlier one, prior to the Liverpool game, suggesting that "we are starving for leaders" are right out of the Jose Mourinho playbook.



I think what we are seeing is a manager with quite a fragile ego. Like every other United fan, I want Amorim to succeed, but the parallels with Jose are starting to unsettle me.
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You got the quote wrong

“We are being the worst team, maybe, in the history of Manchester United.”
/closethread


He’s talking about the form and losing 7/10.

He said we, he didn’t say this team is the worst in United history.

Before you start a thread you should atleast find the actual quote
 
Vidyoyo said:
This is silly. He said, "We're the worst team in Man United history, maybe." That last part is crucial but omitted from most people's replies about the situation.
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he didn’t even say that - “We are being the worst team, maybe, in the history of Manchester United.”

Saying we are being that means we are acting like that, not that we are that.
 
One of Mourinho's greatest skills as a manager is the way he protects his players. When Mourinho made an ass of himself in a press conference with a crazy comment it's always because he's players did something in the game and he is taking the attention away from them and putting it on himself, because he can more than handle it. It's kind of amazing that someone can read that so wrong, it's Mourinho 101.

Mourinho wasn't throwing players under the bus, he was calling them out. Turns out he was pretty much right about every player he "threw under the bus". How much better shape would we be in right now if they had backed Mourinho, got rid of Shaw, Pogba, Rashford and removed that toxicity from the dressing before it became so ingrained in the club it almost seems impossible to remove now?
 
Mental take. Such different characters it's hard to quantify
 
Amorim might well be gone soon. He has both severely underestimated the challenge while also overestimating the greatness of his system. And if there is one thing a manager shall never do, it is to side with the fans - the fans are the mob. He has said what many fans (who are living through him I.E idolising him) have wanted to hear in their pent-up anger. The manager shall always be for the players.

Remember. Football is relative. It has no grand purpose. Amorim might indeed bring success but as it stands, it seems he is struggling with the reality of the job.
 
Mourinho was right on a lot in the end. Werent some fans up in arms when Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Shaw i believe were called out as a waste of space but we persisted with them for years after before reaching that conclusion?

I’ve not heard Amorim say anything I
Disagree with yet, be it Mourinho like or not
 
ManWithoutTies said:
Amorim might well be gone soon. He has both severely underestimated the challenge while also overestimating the greatness of his system. And if there is one thing a manager shall never do, it is to side with the fans - the fans are the mob. He has said what many fans (who are living through him I.E idolising him) have wanted to hear in their pent-up anger. The manager shall always be for the players.

Remember. Football is relative. It has no grand purpose. Amorim might indeed bring success but as it stands, it seems he is struggling with the reality of the job.
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:lol:
 
ManWithoutTies said:
Amorim might well be gone soon. He has both severely underestimated the challenge while also overestimating the greatness of his system. And if there is one thing a manager shall never do, it is to side with the fans - the fans are the mob. He has said what many fans (who are living through him I.E idolising him) have wanted to hear in their pent-up anger. The manager shall always be for the players.

Remember. Football is relative. It has no grand purpose. Amorim might indeed bring success but as it stands, it seems he is struggling with the reality of the job.
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Interesting point. Not sure I agree with you though. Or maybe it's rather a case of not wanting to agree.
 
ManWithoutTies said:
Amorim might well be gone soon. He has both severely underestimated the challenge while also overestimating the greatness of his system. And if there is one thing a manager shall never do, it is to side with the fans - the fans are the mob. He has said what many fans (who are living through him I.E idolising him) have wanted to hear in their pent-up anger. The manager shall always be for the players.

Remember. Football is relative. It has no grand purpose. Amorim might indeed bring success but as it stands, it seems he is struggling with the reality of the job.
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I don't see him leaving soon, although I have tio agree with a lot of that. Certainly some worrying signs
 
So far no leaks from the players about dressing room mutiny etc. Maybe because Rashford, Sancho et al have basically been banished from the club.

But I wouldn't be surprised if things started to show up in the press once/if we lose a couple more.
 
TheRedHearted said:
You got the quote wrong

“We are being the worst team, maybe, in the history of Manchester United.”
/closethread


He’s talking about the form and losing 7/10.

He said we, he didn’t say this team is the worst in United history.

Before you start a thread you should atleast find the actual quote
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He also clarified his comments, I don't know what all the hoopla is about.
 
It seems to me that some folks have been a little unfair to you in this thread OP, so I'll try to be more balanced.

I've included Amorim's quote about Mou below, to help remind us where he claimed he was coming from on this issue when he joined, and this is very precisely what I've seen from him so far.

Firstly, not just to me but to all the Portuguese coaches, he shows that we can be the best in the world.

This is something different in a small country, this can put a stamp on everybody. But I am different from Mourinho. I am a different person.

I remember that time. You looked at Mourinho and you felt that he can win everywhere. It is not the same thing. He was European champion. I am not European champion.

But I am a different guy in a different moment. Football nowadays is different, and I think I am the right person for this moment, because I am a young guy, I understand the players, and I try to use that to help my players like Mourinho in that era did at Chelsea.
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It's absolutely clear that Amorim is inspired and influenced by Mou and will share some of the same directional behaviour which he sees as necessary for success, which is most likely what you're feeling and seeing in his interviews and reports, hence drawing the comparison.

But as others have called out, when you compare the interviews it's also clear he has a very different set of principles, filters and ways of applying that type of expectant and public pressure, which is the real message behind most of the messages you've received in this thread.

Personally, I feel he has the half of Mou I want (public accountability for the team), but he also has the other half I want (public accountability for himself).
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
One of Mourinho's greatest skills as a manager is the way he protects his players. When Mourinho made an ass of himself in a press conference with a crazy comment it's always because he's players did something in the game and he is taking the attention away from them and putting it on himself, because he can more than handle it. It's kind of amazing that someone can read that so wrong, it's Mourinho 101.

Mourinho wasn't throwing players under the bus, he was calling them out. Turns out he was pretty much right about every player he "threw under the bus". How much better shape would we be in right now if they had backed Mourinho, got rid of Shaw, Pogba, Rashford and removed that toxicity from the dressing before it became so ingrained in the club it almost seems impossible to remove now?
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Oh, come on. He doesn't last three seasons, anywhere. He doesn't remove toxicity, he IS toxicity.
 
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