Amir Ibragimov

Not to put pressure on the lad, but shades of Wazza in his drive and determination to retrieve the ball
 
Not to put pressure on the lad, but shades of Wazza in his drive and determination to retrieve the ball

Yeah have been thinking the same since middle of last season, very interesting prospect
 
Obi fuming with him. Not sure why, needed finishing off.
 
I must concede that I need to see more of him. I’ve heard about him for what seems like a few years now and he’s spoken of as some sort of once in a generation talent we have on our hands, however, I’ve never thought he’s looked THAT special when I seen him personally.
Generational talents pop up every month it seems these days.
Unbelievable gets used so often it is now easily believable but we are in the time of making normal seem special.
 
Generational talents pop up every month it seems these days.
Unbelievable gets used so often it is now easily believable but we are in the time of making normal seem special.

Of course, but even within that context, Ibrahimov has had more hype than normal. I’ve seen stuff online that implies he’s some sort of once in a lifetime talent and every time I see him, I feel like I expected to see a bit …more. I will continue to watch in the hope of seeing the game, or even just the moment, that makes me say ‘ah, there it is’, but he doesn’t look as special as is made out to me. He looks to be one of a group of very talented kids we have at the moment - but not the academy standout by any means.
 
Of course, but even within that context, Ibrahimov has had more hype than normal. I’ve seen stuff online that implies he’s some sort of once in a lifetime talent and every time I see him, I feel like I expected to see a bit …more. I will continue to watch in the hope of seeing the game, or even just the moment, that makes me say ‘ah, there it is’, but he doesn’t look as special as is made out to me. He looks to be one of a group of very talented kids we have at the moment - but not the academy standout by any means.
When he comes off the bench for the first team and does something special then we can get excited......I won't be holding my breath.
 
Of course, but even within that context, Ibrahimov has had more hype than normal. I’ve seen stuff online that implies he’s some sort of once in a lifetime talent and every time I see him, I feel like I expected to see a bit …more. I will continue to watch in the hope of seeing the game, or even just the moment, that makes me say ‘ah, there it is’, but he doesn’t look as special as is made out to me. He looks to be one of a group of very talented kids we have at the moment - but not the academy standout by any means.

Not to say Amir isn't a great player, because he is, but a lot of the hype comes because he's 'different' to the norm. Not many Dagestani players you see at Manchester United and so people are naturally intrigued and gravitate towards that.
 
Of course, but even within that context, Ibrahimov has had more hype than normal. I’ve seen stuff online that implies he’s some sort of once in a lifetime talent and every time I see him, I feel like I expected to see a bit …more. I will continue to watch in the hope of seeing the game, or even just the moment, that makes me say ‘ah, there it is’, but he doesn’t look as special as is made out to me. He looks to be one of a group of very talented kids we have at the moment - but not the academy standout by any means.
He has had a weirdly compounding hype over the past couple years based on very little.

While you admit you need to see more of him, others have gone the other route of seemingly claiming he’s the best based on nothing more than other people saying the same.

Up until the last week, I don’t think he’s played a 90 minute match that was actually available to the public to watch. He’s barely played for the u18s or 21s, was injured for much of last season and half the matches he has played in weren’t televised and are played behind closed doors.

It’s why I basically ignore anyone hyping him up before because unless you somehow have access to Carrington, none of these people have ever actually really watched him play.
 
Of course, but even within that context, Ibrahimov has had more hype than normal. I’ve seen stuff online that implies he’s some sort of once in a lifetime talent and every time I see him, I feel like I expected to see a bit …more. I will continue to watch in the hope of seeing the game, or even just the moment, that makes me say ‘ah, there it is’, but he doesn’t look as special as is made out to me. He looks to be one of a group of very talented kids we have at the moment - but not the academy standout by any means.
Most of the people hyping him up haven't even seen him play, r/reddevils is an absolute nightmare for it
 
I think the reason people are excited for Amir is more the top line work rate and application mixed with a winning mentality than his skills. He is a talented boy and there a similarly skilled youngsters around however it’s drive that takes them to the top.

The Rooney comparison are based on those for me. If you saw Rooney at 14 you saw the similarities in tracking back, making the tackle then knocking it in the top corner. We can only hope their career paths align.
 
I think the reason people are excited for Amir is more the top line work rate and application mixed with a winning mentality than his skills. He is a talented boy and there a similarly skilled youngsters around however it’s drive that takes them to the top.

The Rooney comparison are based on those for me. If you saw Rooney at 14 you saw the similarities in tracking back, making the tackle then knocking it in the top corner. We can only hope their career paths align.
I think this is the correct answer. He seems, the operative word being seems, to have a first rate work ethic and that kind of passion and temperament on the field that you can’t teach. He seems fiery and driven to succeed, working both for the team and for himself. So there are reasons to be optimistic that he can go on to a first team career.

Of course, it’s incredibly hard to say.

I actually like that less and less youth games are being shown live. At first I hated it. I loved watching the young prospects and tracking their progress, but it’s also true that it inevitably led to an over exposure and over hyping of so many young talents, at a far too early point of their careers. I’m now of the opinion that as much of the youth talents as possible, should be protected from the glaring eyes of the media and wider audiences. So we can get on with developing these players quietly.

Players like Morrison and Gribbin became sensations before they even got close to the first team. Two of the most ridiculously talented players I’ve ever seen come through our academy, and two players who amounted to a big heap of nothing. I wonder how much of that was because of the hype going to their heads. What defeated them was in their head, not their feet, and both developed huge attitude problems. In Morrison’s case it was maybe more of his home life and people he was surrounded with, but maybe he’d have been more focused if he felt that he wasn’t a shoe in to “make it”. A sense only fueled by the hype around him. In Callum’s case, it was purely his attitude. He was all over socials at 16, with tons of highlights and endless hyping up of his brilliance. He just stopped working.

Players like Amir, you feel are cut from a different stock. But the more we can do to protect these young lads when they are 14, 15, 16, 17, the better. They shouldn’t be in the public gaze, and they shouldn’t be being touted as the next anything. We all should’ve learned by now that trying to predict how a youth player is going to develop is like trying to read tea leaves.

If we went back 20 years or so and United signed a 15 year old from Arsenal, very few people would actually know about it. Really only those who went to the youth games or had close connections to the club. It certainly wouldn’t be making headlines, and you wouldn’t have people assessing his performances and talking about fast tracking to the first team. There would be whispers and rumours of some prodigy perhaps but that would be about it. I genuinely can’t imagine it’s good for these kids, and they are kids, to be under such scrutiny.

Every generation, there are a handful of players worldwide, who are good enough to make an impact at the top level of men’s football at 16/17/18. Rooney, Fabregas, Messi, Ronaldo, Owen etc. But compare that against the tens of thousands of youth players out there, and it’s a ridiculously small percentage. The vast majority of talented young players aren’t ready to come into a first team environment, in a meaningful, impactful way, until 19, 20, 21 or even 22. But because of our obsession and over exposure to youth football, 22 is almost considered too old for players to make it now. Which is bizarre, when you consider that players like Scholes and Iniesta - all time greats - didn’t even become starting XI regulars until they were 22.

Take for example RVN, he didn’t even start scoring regular goals at a high clip, until he signed for PSV at 22. He moved to a top league for the first time at United at 25. Albeit a year late because of a serious knee injury. Compare that to Hojlund, who is 21, and many are questioning if he’s good enough. He might be, he might not be. But he’s certainly show enough raw material at his age to suggest he’ll end up being a very good striker. Even if he doesn’t hit the heights hoped, it’s sure as shit far too early to tell that now. But because he’s not another Haaland, who was one of this generations outliers, like Lamal, people are ready to write him off. It’s why I think we’d have been better off signing a more experienced CF this summer, to take the pressure off him.
 
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I think this is the correct answer. He seems, the operative word being seems, to have a first rate work ethic and that kind of passion and temperament on the field that you can’t teach. He seems fiery and driven to succeed, working both for the team and for himself. So there are reasons to be optimistic that he can go on to a first team career.

Of course, it’s incredibly hard to say.

I actually like that less and less youth games are being shown live. At first I hated it. I loved watching the young prospects and tracking their progress, but it’s also true that it inevitably led to an over exposure and over hyping of so many young talents, at a far too early point of their careers. I’m now of the opinion that as much of the youth talents as possible, should be protected from the glaring eyes of the media and wider audiences. So we can get on with developing these players quietly.

Players like Morrison and Gribbin became sensations before they even got close to the first team. Two of the most ridiculously talented players I’ve ever seen come through our academy, and two players who amounted to a big heap of nothing. I wonder how much of that was because of the hype going to their heads. What defeated them was in their head, not their feet, and both developed huge attitude problems. In Morrison’s case it was maybe more of his home life and people he was surrounded with, but maybe he’d have been more focused if he felt that he wasn’t a shoe in to “make it”. A sense only fueled by the hype around him. In Callum’s case, it was purely his attitude. He was all over socials at 16, with tons of highlights and endless hyping up of his brilliance. He just stopped working.

Players like Amir, you feel are cut from a different stock. But the more we can do to protect these young lads when they are 14, 15, 16, 17, the better. They shouldn’t be in the public gaze, and they shouldn’t be being touted as the next anything. We all should’ve learned by now that trying to predict how a youth player is going to develop is like trying to read tea leaves.

If we went back 20 years or so and United signed a 15 year old from Arsenal, very few people would actually know about it. Really only those who went to the youth games or had close connections to the club. It certainly wouldn’t be making headlines, and you wouldn’t have people assessing his performances and talking about fast tracking to the first team. There would be whispers and rumours of some prodigy perhaps but that would be about it. I genuinely can’t imagine it’s good for these kids, and they are kids, to be under such scrutiny.

Every generation, there are a handful of players worldwide, who are good enough to make an impact at the top level of men’s football at 16/17/18. Rooney, Fabregas, Messi, Ronaldo, Owen etc. But compare that against the tens of thousands of youth players out there, and it’s a ridiculously small percentage. The vast majority of talented young players aren’t ready to come into a first team environment, in a meaningful, impactful way, until 19, 20, 21 or even 22. But because of our obsession and over exposure to youth football, 22 is almost considered too old for players to make it now. Which is bizarre, when you consider that players like Scholes and Iniesta - all time greats - didn’t even become starting XI regulars until they were 22.

Take for example RVN, he didn’t even start scoring regular goals at a high clip, until he signed for PSV at 22. He moved to a top league for the first time at United at 25. Albeit a year late because of a serious knee injury. Compare that to Hojlund, who is 21, and many are questioning if he’s good enough. He might be, he might not be. But he’s certainly show enough raw material at his age to suggest he’ll end up being a very good striker. Even if he doesn’t hit the heights hoped, it’s sure as shit far too early to tell that now. But because he’s not another Haaland, who was one of this generations outliers, like Lamal, people are ready to write him off. It’s why I think we’d have been better off signing a more experienced CF this summer, to take the pressure off him.
Jesus mate, hahaha I normally don’t reply back to long posts but yours was particularly interesting and brought up a lot of points that currently affect young players a lot at the minute, well the whole industry really but particularly our club due to expectations created due to 20 years of non stop coverage.


All the points you made on Amir are on point in my opinion and I won’t repeat them other than to say his tactical flexibility and ability to play multiple positions will mean he can find minutes at the end of games in which to debut further down the line when the team and him are in a position to do so.


Coincidentally I was thinking about both Morrison, still my fave player to watch in general and Gribbin the other day. Saw a close childhood friend of Ravels had passed away in unfortunate circumstances and it reminded me talent can come in all forms and influences can derail careers. Also application in the case of someone like Gribbin as I referred to him talking about Jack Fletcher. Both similar in style and sometimes drifting from games or not showing their best. These things can be addressed but setting standards early is always best.

I must admit I miss the novelty of first learning about a young player by watching them for the first time rather than the stream of information that we have now even though I partake in the evaluation on here myself. I always try to be positive first though and as you say it’s never with the expectation that things will pan out but more this may/ more what you hope will occur. The hype comes with people who then put unnecessary pressure on youngsters with negative influence and interactions.


I too have concerns with how young players are assessed and the way that the perception has now developed with unreal expectations. There are so many factors in why a player can succeed that the talent often comes secondary to me so as you say it’s all good spotting them early, but it’s what there doing consistently at 22/23 that counts. It’s like the rush to succeed means you have 1 to 2 years to prove yourself before your labelled a flop. How many greats would have had different careers in the fast food football world we have now?


I’ll round of this reply with a nod to your ideas around team building. I like the idea of 3 players per position with one being mid to late 20s, one early 20s of a different style and a under 21 academy talent. I to agree that an experienced striker would have been better suited to this model although I do like Zirkee. It’s takes the pressure of when implemented correctly and would allow us to make use of the players we have coming through. Hopefully we can continue to develop these pathways.
 
seems a bit more in the playmaker mould than our wayne was

looks a great talent for sure
 
Not to say Amir isn't a great player, because he is, but a lot of the hype comes because he's 'different' to the norm. Not many Dagestani players you see at Manchester United and so people are naturally intrigued and gravitate towards that.

Which part of greater Manchester is that? Near Bolton?
 
Big fan of this kid, great combination of work rate and technical skill. Hope he gets some first team experience in summer 2025 friendlies.