Because most loud American posters are Republicans, which include a hard core right wing nut job
american presidential race...
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Because most loud American posters are Republicans, which include a hard core right wing nut job
well I'm a lefty...and Edwards is OK but he has too much baggage.....
Hillary is polarising...Obama if he wins NH will be the nomineee for the Dems imo.
As an independent, I feel like I can answer the question, few people like ambulance chasing lawyers which is exactly what Edwards was earlier in his career
He also appears to have channeled a 12 year old girl in a products liability suit.
He is the biggest hypocrite ever in the history of politics.
I must say I was pleasantly surprised by Obama's margin, and feel the Democratic race will now be more interesting than it originally seemed.
The Republican race is still going perfectly for Guiliani. Romney may be gone after last night, NH is now make-or-break for him, so I'm hoping McCain can pip him there. Huckabee will be outed as the total idiot he is within a week or so.
Alternatively, he's as big of a scumbag as you are a moron.
Is that because he was an ambulance chasing lawyer before?
No, not necessarily read about his legal career, and it will become clear he was/is a prick
Trial attorneys are snakes that prey on human emotion and compassion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Legal_career
After law school, he clerked for a Federal judge and in 1978 became an associate at the Nashville law firm of Dearborn & Ewing, doing primarily trial work, defending a Nashville bank and other corporate clients. The Edwards family returned to North Carolina in 1981, settling in the capital of Raleigh where he joined the firm of Tharrington, Smith & Hargrove.[11]
In 1984 Edwards was assigned to a perceived unwinnable medical malpractice lawsuit; the firm had only accepted it as a favor to an attorney and state senator who did not want to keep it. Nevertheless, Edwards won a $3.7 million verdict on behalf of his client, who suffered permanent brain and nerve damage after a doctor prescribed a drug overdose of anti-alcoholism drug Antabuse during alcohol aversion therapy.[12] In other cases, Edwards sued the American Red Cross three times, alleging transmission of AIDS through tainted blood products, resulting in a confidential settlement each time, and defended a North Carolina newspaper against a libel charge.[11]
In 1985, Edwards represented a five-year-old child born with cerebral palsy whose doctor did not choose to perform an immediate Caesarian delivery when a fetal monitor showed she was in distress. Edwards won a $6.5 million verdict for his client, but five weeks later, the presiding judge sustained the verdict but overturned the award on grounds that it was "excessive" and that it appeared "to have been given under the influence of passion and prejudice," adding that in his opinion "the evidence was insufficient to support the verdict." He offered the plaintiffs half of the jury's award, but the child's family appealed the case and settled for $4.25 million.[11] Winning this case established the North Carolina precedent of physician and hospital liability for failing to determine if the patient understood risks of a particular procedure.[12]
After this trial, Edwards gained national attention as a plaintiff's lawyer. He filed at least twenty similar lawsuits in the years following and achieved verdicts and settlements of more than $60 million for his clients. These successful lawsuits were followed by similar ones across the country. When asked about an increase in Caesarean deliveries nationwide, perhaps to avoid similar medical malpractice lawsuits, Edwards said, "The question is, would you rather have cases where that happens instead of having cases where you don't intervene and a child either becomes disabled for life or dies in utero?"[11]
In 1993, Edwards began his own firm in Raleigh (now known as Kirby & Holt) with a friend, David Kirby. He became known as the top plaintiffs' attorney in North Carolina.[11] The biggest case of his legal career was a 1997 product liability lawsuit against Sta-Rite, the manufacturer of a defective pool drain cover. The case involved a three-year-old girl[13] who was disemboweled by the suction power of the pool drain pump when she sat on an open pool drain whose protective cover other children at the pool had removed, after the swim club had failed to install the cover properly. Despite 12 prior suits with similar claims, Sta-Rite continued to make and sell drain covers lacking warnings. Sta-Rite protested that an additional warning would have made no difference because the pool owners already knew the importance of keeping the cover secured.
In his closing arguments, Edwards spoke to the jury for an hour and a half and referenced his son, Wade, who had been killed shortly before testimony began. Mark Dayton, editor of North Carolina Lawyers Weekly, would later call it "the most impressive legal performance I have ever seen."[14] The jury awarded the family $25 million, the largest personal injury award in North Carolina history. The company settled for the $25 million while the jury was deliberating additional punitive damages, rather than risk losing an appeal. For their part in this case, Edwards and law partner David Kirby earned the Association of Trial Lawyers of America's national award for public service.[12] The family said that they hired Edwards over other attorneys because he alone had offered to accept a smaller percentage as fee unless the award was unexpectedly high, while all of the other lawyers they spoke with said they required the full one-third fee. The size of the jury award was unprecedented, and Edwards did receive the standard one-third plus expenses fee typical of contingency cases. The family was so impressed with his intelligence and commitment[11] that they volunteered for his Senate campaign the next year.
After Edwards won a large verdict against a trucking company whose worker had been involved in a fatal accident, the North Carolina legislature passed a law prohibiting such awards unless the employee's actions had been specifically sanctioned by the company.[11]
In December 2003, during his first presidential campaign, Edwards (with John Auchard) published Four Trials, a biographical book focusing on cases from his legal career. The success of the Sta-Rite case and his son's death (Edwards had hoped his son would eventually join him in private law practice) prompted Edwards to leave the legal profession and seek public office.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Legal_career
After law school, he clerked for a Federal judge and in 1978 became an associate at the Nashville law firm of Dearborn & Ewing, doing primarily trial work, defending a Nashville bank and other corporate clients. The Edwards family returned to North Carolina in 1981, settling in the capital of Raleigh where he joined the firm of Tharrington, Smith & Hargrove.[11]
In 1984 Edwards was assigned to a perceived unwinnable medical malpractice lawsuit; the firm had only accepted it as a favor to an attorney and state senator who did not want to keep it. Nevertheless, Edwards won a $3.7 million verdict on behalf of his client, who suffered permanent brain and nerve damage after a doctor prescribed a drug overdose of anti-alcoholism drug Antabuse during alcohol aversion therapy.[12] In other cases, Edwards sued the American Red Cross three times, alleging transmission of AIDS through tainted blood products, resulting in a confidential settlement each time, and defended a North Carolina newspaper against a libel charge.[11]
In 1985, Edwards represented a five-year-old child born with cerebral palsy whose doctor did not choose to perform an immediate Caesarian delivery when a fetal monitor showed she was in distress. Edwards won a $6.5 million verdict for his client, but five weeks later, the presiding judge sustained the verdict but overturned the award on grounds that it was "excessive" and that it appeared "to have been given under the influence of passion and prejudice," adding that in his opinion "the evidence was insufficient to support the verdict." He offered the plaintiffs half of the jury's award, but the child's family appealed the case and settled for $4.25 million.[11] Winning this case established the North Carolina precedent of physician and hospital liability for failing to determine if the patient understood risks of a particular procedure.[12]
After this trial, Edwards gained national attention as a plaintiff's lawyer. He filed at least twenty similar lawsuits in the years following and achieved verdicts and settlements of more than $60 million for his clients. These successful lawsuits were followed by similar ones across the country. When asked about an increase in Caesarean deliveries nationwide, perhaps to avoid similar medical malpractice lawsuits, Edwards said, "The question is, would you rather have cases where that happens instead of having cases where you don't intervene and a child either becomes disabled for life or dies in utero?"[11]
In 1993, Edwards began his own firm in Raleigh (now known as Kirby & Holt) with a friend, David Kirby. He became known as the top plaintiffs' attorney in North Carolina.[11] The biggest case of his legal career was a 1997 product liability lawsuit against Sta-Rite, the manufacturer of a defective pool drain cover. The case involved a three-year-old girl[13] who was disemboweled by the suction power of the pool drain pump when she sat on an open pool drain whose protective cover other children at the pool had removed, after the swim club had failed to install the cover properly. Despite 12 prior suits with similar claims, Sta-Rite continued to make and sell drain covers lacking warnings. Sta-Rite protested that an additional warning would have made no difference because the pool owners already knew the importance of keeping the cover secured.
In his closing arguments, Edwards spoke to the jury for an hour and a half and referenced his son, Wade, who had been killed shortly before testimony began. Mark Dayton, editor of North Carolina Lawyers Weekly, would later call it "the most impressive legal performance I have ever seen."[14] The jury awarded the family $25 million, the largest personal injury award in North Carolina history. The company settled for the $25 million while the jury was deliberating additional punitive damages, rather than risk losing an appeal. For their part in this case, Edwards and law partner David Kirby earned the Association of Trial Lawyers of America's national award for public service.[12] The family said that they hired Edwards over other attorneys because he alone had offered to accept a smaller percentage as fee unless the award was unexpectedly high, while all of the other lawyers they spoke with said they required the full one-third fee. The size of the jury award was unprecedented, and Edwards did receive the standard one-third plus expenses fee typical of contingency cases. The family was so impressed with his intelligence and commitment[11] that they volunteered for his Senate campaign the next year.
After Edwards won a large verdict against a trucking company whose worker had been involved in a fatal accident, the North Carolina legislature passed a law prohibiting such awards unless the employee's actions had been specifically sanctioned by the company.[11]
In December 2003, during his first presidential campaign, Edwards (with John Auchard) published Four Trials, a biographical book focusing on cases from his legal career. The success of the Sta-Rite case and his son's death (Edwards had hoped his son would eventually join him in private law practice) prompted Edwards to leave the legal profession and seek public office.
I'm a lawyer, my wife is a lawyer.
But he is a dirtbag of epic proportions.
Obama is growing more and more on me from a Democratic point of view.
I first wanted Clinton to have the Democratic nomination, as she actually had some semblance of policies and I thought we could actually have a campaign about ideas instead of personalities for the first time since probably 1988.
Now she's not even got policies and is promising everything to everyone in sight while in the process of lying, smearing, and distorting the hell out of everyone and everything. It is kind of sad.
Obama may be inexperienced and a touch clueless, but he's very well meaning. That can be contagious.
I am not really 'scared' of him as president as I was 6 or 8 months ago when I thought we were going to have two total morons as the candidates - Barack 'The Smile' Obama and Mitt 'The Haircut' Romney. There was just no substance at all whatsoever.
Romney is still relying on looking pretty, where Obama has stopped the 'everything to everyone' game and is starting to form an actual vision of the country. I don't actually agree with the vision, but I admire him greatly for trying.
Is Obama's experience (8 years in the Illinois State Senate, first term in the US Senate) actually any less than Bill Clinton's was in 1992? Seems to me the Illinois state government is at least as significant as a few years as the Arkansas AG and a couple of 2 year terms as governor of a back-water collection of hillbilies.
Don't see what the big deal is and what there is to be scared about - you have a moron running the country now and the dollar can soon be used as toilet paper if this development continues, these two could hardly get any worse.
Even from across the pond I was terrified when Bush took office. Nothing can scare me after that, though having any uber-religious nutter in the hotseat does make me more than a little apprehensive.
Would like an Obama - Giuliani election in the end.
Would like an Obama - Giuliani election in the end.
I want Obama to win because he stands to gain most independent and republican votes out of any other dems, especially Hillary, as you say she's polarising...However, I will be happy with whichever democrat is nominated. The worst democrat is better than the best republican (Ron Paul).
Furthermore, even if Republicans win the election, it can't get any worse than Bush...
...Huckebee is another religious nut...no thanks...
McCain and Gulianni...I can live with....
but I think it will be a Democrat this time...
The only thing interesting bout this Election is that Chuck Norris has surfaced!!
I don't think this will happen. Bush would need full support of the military to mount any kind of bid for power, which he doesn't have, and which is in Iraq.
And as for the people, only the staunchest Bush supporters would want him for President for Life. Most republicans would oust him. This is where the fact that large part of population are armed counts as a big positive.
I know what you mean. Somehow though, I don't think Huckabee would ever look into Putin's eyes and see the goodness in there
There is absolutely no interest in this country in having anyone as President for Life and no way in Hell that the military would assist anyone, let alone a timed-out incumbent, stay in office. It's always interesting to get the opinions of raving, uninformed Europeans (and Americans) on the political climate and possibilities in the US.
By the way, we don't cancel elections in the US--we even had the regularly scheduled elections during the Civil War, and it's hard to think of a bigger "tragedy" or "crisis" than having 11 states try to secede from the Union and start a war that cost around 500,000 lives (in the 1860'2--when the population was far smaller). Even then there was no thought of using the US military to keep Lincoln in power.
Yeah, even somebody far more capable than Bush would never stand a chance.
if you mean me, i dont really go clubbing these days. but nice try though.
i meant the chances of another massive terrorist attack/s around election time are more likely, maybe even bigger than 911, then martial law and posponed elections until they remove all guns from the citizens.
which could take some time
if you mean me, i dont really go clubbing these days. but nice try though.
i meant the chances of another massive terrorist attack/s around election time are more likely, maybe even bigger than 911, then martial law and posponed elections until they remove all guns from the citizens.
which could take some time
Hardcore Bush supporters would never take the guns away from Americans. They think Jesus wants them to own AK47s.
I especially liked the 'you can't deny it's true' line.
if you mean me, i dont really go clubbing these days. but nice try though.
i meant the chances of another massive terrorist attack/s around election time are more likely, maybe even bigger than 911, then martial law and posponed elections until they remove all guns from the citizens.
which could take some time
My point was, anyone with an active IQ realizes that there won't be any delay in an election in the US (see, e.g. the American Civil War). Your second paragraph above shows no concept of the American electoral system. That some cretins put together a You Tube show alleging such a possibility, in the absence of any history of postponed elections, martial law, or disarmed populace is an insult to everyone else's intelligence.
Maybe you need to go clubbing more often (for medicinal purposes only).
Also Roosevelt was elected for a fourth term in 1944 was he not?
I hope Hitler wins.
Austrians can only be elected governor of California.
i dont, i think another term of bush would have dire consequences on the whole global economy.
did you know bushes grandad was a nazi?
That's not strictly true.
EDIT: In fact, it isn't true. Prescott Bush was never a member of the Nazi Party. I assume to are referring to the attempted 1933 coup of FDR, by many right-wing businessmen which included Bush?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
Surprising? Well, MI5 had a similar plan in place to overthrow Wilson whom they believed t be a Communist taking orders from Moscow. Neither coup occured.
He was, however, a "director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany". Unethical? Certainly. His assets were seized in 1942.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
Besides, should we be judging Dubya on the behaviour of his grandfather?
there is so much information about the usa and the criminal administration which runs it, that i think you are the one without understanding..
why dont you make yourself $1000 by disprooving 1 piece of information shown in this film on google not youtube..
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
you,like so many other are outraged by the medium whilst turning a bling eye to the message...your country needs you!
(i too think i should go clubbing more,life is for enjoyment and with world politics shaping up the way it is, it may not be very enjoyable in the future)
are we going to split hairs frosty?
who was he supporting in ww2?
why was his bank seized?
there are a great many nazis in usa in prominent positions!
That is Herr Bush fur u swijn.
You mean were, surely? This cannot be denied. In fact, many were in prominent positions around the world. One became Secretary General of the UN.
Members of the National Socialist Party have included:
Austria
* Kurt Waldheim, (1918-2007), Secretary-General of the United Nations from 1972 to 1981, President of Austria from 1986 to 1992.
* Heinrich Harrer, (1912-2006), Austrian mountaineer, sportsman, geographer and author; nominal member of the SS before the war. In India on a mountaineering expedition at the start of the war and interned by the British.
East Germany
The National Democratic Party of Germany acted as an organisation for former members of the NSDAP and the Wehrmacht. It was part of the ruling National Front of Democratic Germany, but in practice it was subject to the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).
* Wilhelm Adam (1893-1978), fell prisoner in 1943 in Stalingrad. In 1948 returned to East Germany and co-founded the NDPG. He worked as a military police officer and a politician in Saxony.
* Heinz Barth (1920-2007), lived under a false identity in East Germany. Finally judged in 1983 for his involvement in the Oradour-sur-Glane massacre. Released in 1997, died in August 2007.
West Germany
* Gunter d'Alquen (1910–1998). Chief editor of the SS weekly Das Schwarze Korps and commander of the SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers. Fined DM 60.000 in 1955 by a Denazification court, deprived of civil rights for three years, and debarred from drawing an allowance or pension from public funds. After further investigations, fined again DM 28.000 in 1958.
* Max Amann (1891–1957). Obergruppenführer and publisher of the Franz Eher Nachfolger, the central publishing house of the NSDAP. Sentenced to 10 years in labour camp in 1948, released in 1953.
* Benno von Arent (1898–1956). Oberführer, died in Bonn in 1956.
* Artur Axmann (1913–1996). Official in the Hitler Youth. Worked post-war as a sales representative.
* Richard Baer (1911–1963). Sturmbannführer, commander of the Auschwitz I concentration camp. Lived under the pseudonym of Karl Neumann after the war, before being discovered in 1960 and arrested.
* Alfred Baeumler (1887–1968). Nazi philosopher, one of the proponent of a biological and racist interpretation of Nietzsche (which the later had recused in advance, by cutting away with his editor when he turned anti-Semitic, etc.).
* Werner Best (1903–1989).
* Martin Fellenz, former member of the SS, member of the FDP liberal party after the war, arrested in June 1960.
* Reinhard von Brysonstofen former member of the state secret police Gestapo, change his name to Bryson and left Germany after the war, for the USA.
* Eugen Fischer (1874–1967), appointed by Hitler rector of the University of Berlin, and one of the leading theorists of scientific racism
* Friedrich Flick (1883–1972), industrial leader and billionaire.
* Hans Globke (1898–1973), who worked with Adolf Eichmann in the Jewish Affairs Department drafting the Nuremberg laws, became director of the German Chancellery from 1953 to 1963 and then Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser
* Martin Heidegger, philosopher.
* Herbert von Karajan, {1908-1989) conductor, joined the NSDAP in 1933 in Salzburg, Austria, five years before the Anschluss.
* Kurt Georg Kiesinger,{1904-1988} NSDAP later CDU and Chancellor of Germany.
* Klaus Konrad (1914–2006), took part in the 1943 San Polo massacre in Italy, in which Eugenio Calò, a Partisan, died. Became a SPD deputy in the Bundestag from 1967 to 1972 (see de:Klaus Konrad).
* Horst Kopkow, {1910-1996} SS Major protected by MI5 and MI6
* Walter Kopp, Wehrmacht Lieutenant Colonel, chief of one stay-behind networks code-named Kibitz-15 after the war. He was described by his own North-American handlers as an "unreconstructed Nazi," in CIA documents released in June 2006.
* Alfred Krupp, {1907-1967}. NSDAP and SS sponsorship, industrialist involved in weapons; steel; and slave labor-sentenced to 12 years and loss of all his property; pardoned by North American High Commissioner John J. McCloy in 1953 & all of Krupp's property restored to him.
* Gustav Krupp (1870–1950) ran the German Friedrich Krupp AG heavy industry conglomerate from 1909 until 1941. Indicted for prosecution at the 1945 Nuremberg trials, the charges were dropped because of his failing health.
* Heinz Lammerding, {1905-1971} commander of the 2nd SS Division Das Reich involved in the Oradour-sur-Glane massacre.
* Fritz Lenz (1887–1976), founder of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics and one of the leading theorists of eugenics and of scientific racism.
* Theodor Maunz, specialist of public law, then minister of Education and Culture in Bavaria.
* Theodor Oberländer, {1905-1998} NSDAP member, SA-Obersturmbannführer, later became Refugee Minister under Konrad Adenauer.
* Heinz Reinefarth {1903-1979} an SS Brigadeführer who became mayor of Westerland in December 1951
* Franz Schönhuber (1923–2005). Waffen-SS, later chairman of the right-wing Die Republikaner party which he co-founded in 1983.
* Carl Schmitt (1888–1985), Nazi jurist and philosopher.
* Hanns-Martin Schleyer,{1915-1977} SS, later employer representative, kidnapped and murdered by Red Army Faction.
* Albert Speer (1905–1981), Hitler's chief architect, sentenced to 20 years in prison at Nuremberg, became a noted author on Third Reich history.
* Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, NSDAP member, soprano singer.
* Fritz Thyssen, {1873-1951} NSDAP member since 1931, steel industrialist.
* Erich von dem Bach (1899–1972). Obergruppenführer, commander of troops fighting the Warsaw Uprising. Did some prison after the war, but never judged for his role in the Eastern Front.
* Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer (1896–1969), director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics, he carried out experiments on human beings in concentration camps. Awarded in 1951 the prestigious professorship of human genetics at the University of Münster, where he established one of the largest centers of genetics research in West Germany.
Middle East
* Alois Brunner. {b.1912}. Head of Drancy internment camp near Paris, worked for the Gehlen Org before escaping to Syria through a ratline organised by Catholic bishop Alois Hudal. Thought to be living in Syria, he has been condemned in 2001 by a French court, in absentia, to a life sentence for crimes against humanity.
United States of America
Over 1,500 German and other foreign scientists, technicians, and engineers were brought to the United States under Project Paperclip and similar programs. A non-exhaustive list includes:
* Kurt Blome. Judged during the Doctors' Trial, hired in 1951 by the US Army Chemical Corps to work on chemical warfare. Eventually, Blome was arrested by French authorities, convicted of war crimes, and sentenced to 20 years in prison.(See above).
* Wernher von Braun, (1912-1977} SS Major; NSDAP membership; NSFK; Rocket scientist of both the Nazi rocket Vergeltungswaffen or "retaliation weapons" program and later NASA.
* Arthur Rudolph, {1906-1996} NSDAP member, Rocket scientist of the Nazi rocket Vergeltungswaffen (V2) and later NASA. According to the US government, he left the US in 1984 following the Department of Justice's discovery of his role in the persecution of prisoners at the Nordhausen factory
* Bernhard Tessmann (1912–1998)
* Georg Rickhey, a former official at the Nordhausen underground V-2 rocket factory who arrived in 1946 but who left the United States in 1947 when he was tried (and acquitted) for war crimes by a U.S. military tribunal
* Walter Schreiber (1893–1952?), who had been instrumental in medical experiments on concentration camp inmates and who fled the United States to Argentina in 1952 after the appearance of a newspaper column about his activities
* Alexander Lippisch (1894–1976)
* Hans von Ohain (1911–1998) One of the inventor of jet propulsion he became director of the US Air Force Aeronautical Research Laboratory and by 1975 he was the Chief Scientist of the Aero Propulsion Laboratory there.
* Kurt Lehovec (one of the physicists responsible for the invention of the integrated circuit)
* Hubertus Strughold (1898-1987) (father of US space medicine)
* Felix Jeager (1903–1977)
Nazis or/and Nazis collaborators who worked for the US secret services after the war
* Klaus Barbie (1913–1991), the "Butcher of Lyon", Hauptsturmführer and Gestapo official. Recruited by the US Counter Intelligence Corps in 1947, he also worked for British intelligence. Participated in Luis García Meza Tejada's 1980 "Cocaine Coup" in Bolivia. Sentenced in France to life imprisonment in 1987 for crimes against humanity.
* Otto Albrecht von Bolschwing (CIA agent in West Germany, recruited by the Gehlen Org, former assistant of Adolf Eichmann)
* Alois Brunner - Believed by some to live in Brazil or Syria under alias Dr. Georg Fischer. Responsible for the deaths of 140,000 Jews, head of Drancy internment camp near Paris. Worked for the Gehlen Org after the war and then fled to Syria.
* Reinhard Gehlen (1902–1979)(See above)
* Walter Kopp (ibid)
Were Prescott Bush's actions wrong? Obviously so. I doubt you would find anyone trying to defend them. But I fail to see what that has to do with his grandson, who, if we are being blunt here, has many of his own actions you can criticise him about.
"Vonce ze rockets go up, who cares vhere zey komm down?
Zet's not my department" says Wernher Von Braun
Zet's not my department" says Wernher Von Braun
What's even more ironic is that I am doing a doctorate on human rights law and much of my research comes from Carl Schmitt and Martin Heidegger....
Feedingseagulls got a high first on his end of term Heidegger paper - despite the notoriously harsh marking
Ah, so now I know who to ask....
The highest mark in the class I believe?
The highest mark in the class I believe?
That's what most Americans say as well.
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