Is NFL a real 'football' sport?
American Rugby maybe?
American Rugby maybe?
American Handball
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Scholesy_LEGEND said:
It's at least as real a form of football as Portugese diveball.
Nah cos then the 'American Rugby' players would get battered by the British Rugby players.
I think American Handball would be a good name in all honesty.
I think American Handball would be a good name in all honesty.
Handball was too rude so they made it football.
Jon Paul said:
nice one.Do Americans know that american football is a laughing stock outside America?
from the amount of movies they made using american football as excuse? no.duffman46 said:
I'd love to see a rugby player take a hit from a linebacker.
try not wearing your 'muscular' pads, mate.USDevil said:
USDevil said:
The rugby player - even a prop forward - would be able to side-step the linebacker.
Those linebackers can't actually run or sustain any level of physical activity.
All rugby players are capable of running for 80 minutes.
Scholesy_LEGEND said:
The only real padding is the shoulders and helmet. Everything else does little to pad or protect. Unless you're a quaterback, and then you're just gay.
Most American games aren't proper sports.
and how does the 'linebackers' gonna hit the rugby player? using their stomach?USDevil said:
They are two very different type of contact sports. most of the tackles in american football would be illegal in Rugby so its hard to compare the two as far as which one is tougher.
The one thing for sure is rugby requires a far higher level of fitness. American Football stop and starts all the time.
The one thing for sure is rugby requires a far higher level of fitness. American Football stop and starts all the time.
I think Alan Partridge said it best.
"American football is just futuristic rugby"
"American football is just futuristic rugby"
No worse than some of the other sports referred to as football.Scholesy_LEGEND said:
handball> american football, rugby
Scholesy_LEGEND said:
Yes, it is football, because it is directly decended from Rugby.
Now, anyone spastic enough to suggest that Rugby isn't football will face a six year 3 month an 2 day ban.
eric le roi said:
Clueless.MrMarcello said:
i think he's right.
i played both Rugby and Yank football - i tried the latter anyway, since i assumed (erroneously as it turned out) that they were more or less the same. the fitness requirements for Gridiron are just not as stringent.
the likes of Tony Siragusa, or as a friend of mine calls him, 'the Blob', would never get into any Rugby team with that kind of fitness level.
marcus agrippa said:
If he had mentioned an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman (like Siragusa), he'd be accurate as the majority of those positional players don't have the lateral movement like other position players (except for players like Jevon Kearse and Dwight Freeney). An American football linebacker has that lateral movement. And the majority of these linebackers are quite quick and agile on their feet. Some can run a 4.4-4.6 40 yard dash, which is quite fast considering most are 6'2-6'5 and weight 230-250lbs with minimal body fat. If American football players played the game of rugby from their youth, they'd be quite dominant at the sport.
Psmith said:
shows how ignorant you are. every country has their own sports that are practiced and played by majority of its people. british play footie, cricket, rugby, americans play basketball, football, and baseball. saying another's sports are stupid or not "proper" just shows your ethnocentric arrogance. i was born and raised in the US, but i dont like american football that much, but i do have respect for football players because they really are warriors out there come game-day. you can talk about how they have padding, but it really doesn't matter because it still hurts when you get tackled by 250 pound guy. im not dissing rugby, because it does looks very fun and requires a lot of athleticism. but there's obviously a huge weight and size difference between american football players and rugby players, so people saying how rugby players have a higher level of fitness, is in some ways true, but even if football is start-stop, even linebackers and blockers have to stay strong because every play they're blocking their QB, or trying to get through the blockers and tackle the QB on the other team. it is strenuous even if it doesn't look like it is.
I have noticed the massive guts on a lot of American football players.
Propper Andy Fordem Guts.
Propper Andy Fordem Guts.
MrMarcello said:
i think you're missing the point.
when it comes to muscle twitch movement, the Gridiron athlete is as good as any out there. however, when it comes to sustained action, as is required for a sport such as rugby, for which the breaks come infrequently (or, perhaps more appropriately, erratically), then i'd go for the rugby player.
i began realising this when i came across a study done by some local sports scientist types at my old university, where they were actually separating field-sports players based on what type of sports they played (stop-starts frequently, vs continuous) to analyse muscle respiration.
i've no doubt that some of these Gridiron players would do well in rugby; but i doubt very much they'd adopt the muscle and fitness profile they have if they switched to rugby.
I can't take seriously any sport which has unlimited rolling subs and takes 4 hours to play a 60 minute game
It's always a feeding frenzy on us "yanks" on here. What about Australian-rules football? Australians use the name "soccer" as well(the original English name for the game) to distinguish it from their own game called 'football'. You could choose to see the terms "soccer" and "football" being used differently as interesting linguistic markers of both our shared and divergent histories as English speaking peoples. Instead you act as if your game, your culture and your version of the English language should rule the world. Sorry, but we ex-colonies don't take our lead from you guys anymore.
The innovation of the forward pass has not completely erased kicking from American football, and the preservation of the name "football" reminds Americans of the beginnings of the sport before the forward pass. In fact the forward pass was only legalized after most of the other distinctive essential rules of American football had already been adopted. Its name, "football" was already established before their was any reason to call it into question.
It is no more crazy to call American football, "football" than it is to talk about how much "horsepower" your car has ... or to call a flashlight a "torch" for that matter.
The innovation of the forward pass has not completely erased kicking from American football, and the preservation of the name "football" reminds Americans of the beginnings of the sport before the forward pass. In fact the forward pass was only legalized after most of the other distinctive essential rules of American football had already been adopted. Its name, "football" was already established before their was any reason to call it into question.
It is no more crazy to call American football, "football" than it is to talk about how much "horsepower" your car has ... or to call a flashlight a "torch" for that matter.
that's all well and good, Ferguson, but i've also been on the receiving end of snide remarks from Yanks who simply refuse to allow me to call the sport i love football, seeing as it makes a hell of a lot of sense to call it that.
so it goes both ways.
so it goes both ways.
choiboyx012 said:
So, in essence, you just have to be fat.
Baseball is the probably the gayest sport ever.
Basketball is a decent sport but you've spoilt it with timeouts.
Psmith said:
you have to be big and strong.
i dont think baseball is as gay as cricket, but we'll have to agree to disagree. i hate baseball, it's boring, but to many people it's fun and i have to respect that as should you.
basketball is my favorite sport after football(soccer), much more exciting and fast paced. basketball players are imo the most athletic along with hockey, and unlike american football and to a certain extent footie/soccer, basketball players have to play offense and defense.
That's not quite right. The name "Socer" was invented in England but was not the original name. The original name was Football but that didn't have common rules. Soccer is a corruption of "Asscociation" and was coined by an Upper Class Twit who also referred to Rugby as "Rugger" and Cricket as "Crickers".Ferguson said:
No one in England, to the best of my knowledge, still calls Cricket "Crickers" anymore and the same is true of "Soccer". The difference between what 90% of the world calls football and you "yanks" and antipodeans call football is that ours is mainly played with the foot not the hand.
And no, I have no intention on feeding on you "yanks" - not my taste.
In the summer of 2005, while in England, I saw the term "soccer" used in several national newspapers, including quotes from, among others, a ManUnited fan who credited one of your players from the '60's with saving him from a life of sectarian bigotry and activism in Northern Ireland. In short--British papers and fans also say "soccer."
Please don't give us this bullcrap that "no one in England uses the term soccer." If you don't like the word, excise its use on your island before you lecture others on what they are permitted to call the game.
Please don't give us this bullcrap that "no one in England uses the term soccer." If you don't like the word, excise its use on your island before you lecture others on what they are permitted to call the game.
USDevil said:
I'd like to see an american football player move for more than 5 seconds at a time.
Or face up to Fielden.
p_ps_sock said:
easy
marcus agrippa said:
Errr, I think Linford Christie, Donovan Bailey, Michael Johnson, Asafa Powell and the rest might have something to say about your 'muscle twitch' theory, besides if a sport is based only on speed then shouldn't you just have a race?
green demon said:That's not quite right. The name "Socer" was invented in England but was not the original name. The original name was Football but that didn't have common rules. Soccer is a corruption of "Asscociation" and was coined by an Upper Class Twit who also referred to Rugby as "Rugger" and Cricket as "Crickers".
No one in England, to the best of my knowledge, still calls Cricket "Crickers" anymore and the same is true of "Soccer". The difference between what 90% of the world calls football and you "yanks" and antipodeans call football is that ours is mainly played with the foot not the hand.
And no, I have no intention on feeding on you "yanks" - not my taste.
can people drop this soccer vs. football crap. no matter how much you diss yanks for calling it soccer, it's not going to change. football here is a completely different sport and is the more popular sport here in the states so nothing will change, we'll always call is soccer, and others will call it football, futbol, futebol, fussbal. just leave it at that. you "brits" gotta cool it and stop being so anal.
choiboyx012 said:
I take it you've never seen stuart fielden then.
Edit: I'd actually say you've definately not seen him as he plays the exciting, fast paced skillful version of the game called rugby league.
Whats with all this wwwoooooooooooo you hear at American football.
America looses a lot of respect worldwide with its "lets make up our own sports" attitude. You must all know deep down that American football is a joke.
America looses a lot of respect worldwide with its "lets make up our own sports" attitude. You must all know deep down that American football is a joke.
p_ps_sock said:
i don't really get what you're trying to say. obviously the likes of Jerry Rice (in his prime), Randy Moss and Terrell Owens in American football are essentially sprinters.
as far as a difference from rugby is concerned, you've picked absolutely the worst atheletes to mention: these are short-distance runners, built for short-duration exertion. what about middle-distance runners? - say 800 m? - it is obvious these are built very differently from the sprinters of the world.
the rugby winger is also built for speed, but is also required to have more endurance because of erratic stoppages, whereas the American footballer can rely on frequent stoppages since the game is structured around a series of set-pieces.
and claiming i said it is all about speed is a straw man's argument: it isn't about speed, it's about muscle recovery. this depends on mass, respiration efficiency etc. and it influences things like balance and so-called athleticism.
PS: it isn't 'my theory'.
green demon said:That's not quite right. The name "Socer" was invented in England but was not the original name. The original name was Football but that didn't have common rules. Soccer is a corruption of "Asscociation" and was coined by an Upper Class Twit who also referred to Rugby as "Rugger" and Cricket as "Crickers".
No one in England, to the best of my knowledge, still calls Cricket "Crickers" anymore and the same is true of "Soccer". The difference between what 90% of the world calls football and you "yanks" and antipodeans call football is that ours is mainly played with the foot not the hand.
And no, I have no intention on feeding on you "yanks" - not my taste.
Both Rugby Football and Association Football are codes of a game known as Football, by codes meaning a form of the game with codified rules. The same goes for American, Australian Rules, and Gaelic, they are all codes of football. Old calcio and that crazy thing they still play once a year between two villages somewhere in little old England probably are not codes of football, but rather mass brawls involving a ball.
duffman46 said:
American Football was not an invented sport, it started off as Rugby Union, they changed the rules along the way to suit their own needs (the first major change I'm aware of was replacing the scrum with the scrimmage). It still retains certain aspects of Rugby, the classic example being that once the ball has been thrown forward (only once is this allowed - in rugby they feck it into the air with a boot, little difference apart from delivery method), the ball cannot again be passed forwards, but only sideways or backwards. It actually doesn't happen that much due to them having downs rule similar to Rugby League's six tackle rule, a major feature lacking for the better in Rugby Union IMO.