Yes, Hannibal is a bit of a different case and has benefitted from the internationals. I think he‘s got a chance of minutes, especially if there’s a 4-3-3 (I think the best formation for your players).
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Yes, Hannibal is a bit of a different case and has benefitted from the internationals. I think he‘s got a chance of minutes, especially if there’s a 4-3-3 (I think the best formation for your players).
Another one who can't accept that people see differently from them!!
I watched that Wolves game, but I don't really think RR is basing his decisions as to who to pick based on a game that was last season.
As far as I am concerned, as has been fit and training for a fair few weeks, yet Elanga is being picked ahead of him, with Amad still looking likely to go out on loan. Does that not speak volumes about their development paths right now??
It certainly should do.
You said you havent seen a game where Amad was better than Elanga, I didnt imply Rangnick should pick Amad over Elanga based on just one game.Another one who can't accept that people see differently from them!!
I watched that Wolves game, but I don't really think RR is basing his decisions as to who to pick based on a game that was last season.
As far as I am concerned, as has been fit and training for a fair few weeks, yet Elanga is being picked ahead of him, with Amad still looking likely to go out on loan. Does that not speak volumes about their development paths right now??
It certainly should do.
I don't think it speaks that much no, it is clear that Rangnick prefers Elanga over Diallo, for how he wants his side to play. Which for so far l, is absolutely rubbish football given that he was impressed by that dire performance vs Villa a few days ago.
Every coach has there preferences, and Elanga is a very good talent. However the times they have been on the same pitch, there was barely any difference between their readiness other than Elanga being more physically developed. Meaning he's faster, stronger, more explosive, more aggressive. That's what Rangnick prefers.
Amad being a far better dribbler, having better vision, being better at play making, a better passer, better in tight spaces, Rangnick doesnt favour that. He goes on loan, but praise be to God that Rangnick doesn't stay as our manager and I really hope we get a much better one after him.
I don't see Diallo as a better dribbler than Elanga personally.
You right that Rangnick needs and prefers a stronger more physical player, but Elanga has a lot more than that to his game, to the point that Elanga now has more Premiership appearances than Diallo.
Elanga is first team ready right now, and not Ole and RR have now insinuated such, whereas Diallo continues to play his trade on the fringes with a view to a loan (this was also the plan under Ole) which should again speak volumes as to the whereabouts of their first team readiness...
Fair enough, Elanga is by no means a bad dribbler.
Ole and Rangnick are two failing managers so far, both playing some horrid football.
What he currently shows more than that is discipline and focus, he's basically an attacker with very little influence on scoring. He barely creates for others or himself. More of the mould of a midtable team winger, making himself useful which isnt a bad thing.
I think Diallo was getting a look for a full loan as he was ready for first team football, with Elanga going inbetween U23 and some cup games here under Ole. Wasnt even necessary that Ole had him up for an almost starter.
Yeah I think Hannibal's role will be determined by whether we bring in a midfielder or not. If we do then he goes on loan, especially with Pogba returning. If we keep it as is then he'll stay.
No, Amad was £19m, Pellistri was between £6m-£8m.
Whatever the reasons, the club wasted a year and a half of his development.
Apart from money, Manchester United hasn't proven to be a suitable place for talented footballers in the last decade.
Apart from money, Manchester United hasn't proven to be a suitable place for talented footballers in the last decade.
Another one who can't accept that people see differently from them!!
I watched that Wolves game, but I don't really think RR is basing his decisions as to who to pick based on a game that was last season.
As far as I am concerned, as has been fit and training for a fair few weeks, yet Elanga is being picked ahead of him, with Amad still looking likely to go out on loan. Does that not speak volumes about their development paths right now??
It certainly should do.
I think RR’s approach to the likes of VDB in comparison to Scott and Fred also gives insight into his priorities. Pep, for example, would likely never play McTominay over VDB. Managers value different qualities.
In the PL players have been getting debuts and chances for years based on the fact they are physically strong at a young age. Amad is slight, and to get the best out of the qualities he has, it requires far more detail in the organisation than our recent managers have shown.
It takes far more effort and detail to build a team that gets the best out of Firmino than it does to build one that gets the best out of Rashford, IMO. We simply haven’t had the highest standard of coaching and organisation.
All gone a bit quiet regarding a loan move which is a shame given he doesn't feature at United.
Elanga has taken his chance Diallo hasnt.
True. But also Rangnick is an interim so it requires a different approach and is harder in terms of getting players on your side. I'm sure if he had more time and the power that comes with being a permanent coach, there's a chance Donny would get more of a go and you'd see a different approach. Right now he's firefighting a disgruntled squad and previously to that, COVID, in terms of getting his ideas across and is just having to deal day to day. It's more about results than performances right now. You're right though, in general I think he does favor athleticism over technique. Because he's more about pressure and counters than building up play and creating gaps like Pep or Ten Hag.
Elanga is faster, more direct, more explosive, a threat in the air, good with his feet and looks confident with the ball.
Amad for me is lacking in the physical attributes, although I feel his biggest issue is no one seems to have worked out what his best position is. I feel a loan in the best option for Amad, with Elanga staying in the first team. This was the plan all along and the new manager appears to believe its the best course of action also.
This surelhy would point to Amad not being first team ready no?
It would certainly point to him not being ready for THIS team. The qualities you mentioned for Elanga are largely various ways to say he is more physically developed. For a team whose philosophy is centred around running and duels - Amad is further away from being ready than he might be at a different team.
Thank God. It would have been appalling, though amusing, had we spent £90m on players we refuse to play.
Instead, we've only spent roughly £60m on players we refuse to play. A big chunk of that £60m could have been spent on a player -- perhaps a CDM -- we'd be delighted to play. But this is Manchester United.
It's strange how you were a big fan of James, an incredibly lightweight player, yet you can't seem to accept Amad as being first team ready purely because of his physique. Amad is actually effective at closing down players as well, more so than the likes of Rashford and Greenwood. Also everyone knows what his best position is, it's on the right wing. You're one of the most common posters on this thread, I would've thought you would've learnt something about the player by now.
Elanaga made a real effort to bulk up and add muscle in the summer which has translated to him being more physically ready despite being a little younger than Amad although that should not be a concern as teenagers develop at different rates. It can easily be true that Amad is the better prospect but Elanga is more ready to play at this moment in time. I do also think the plan to loan him means we are reluctant to risk an injury in a game at this point, if a loan does not materialize I would think he will start being worked into the squad.
Yeah, so Amad isnt first team ready in that case!
Lets be honest, the mooted loan propositions are hardly a step up from United, with Dortmund being the closest, and this is a Dortmund team who are even poorer than United so far this season in the cups, and are out of the Champions league.
Amad isn't first team ready, hence the need to get him game time somewhere where he is.
Obviously he isn’t going to go on loan to Manchester City. The point is, if he had joined them at 18 instead, he’d have a far better chance of showcasing his ability by now.
Your comment about the teams being a step up is frankly ridiculous though. Are you unfamiliar with how loans work? United are one of the biggest clubs in the world. We could have loaned any of the world class talent we have had in the last two decades and they would have all gone to lower clubs. The Elanga you wax about so much was a target for Championship clubs on loan himself. Or do you expect PSG to be wanting him on loan?
If Amad was available for sale instead of loan, the calibre of interested clubs would change dramatically, and you would probably get a few who are indeed better than us.
There are several posters who have suggested that he is a number 10, he played there aginst AC Milan when he came on, so yeah, its clear to see he hasn't nailed down a position yet.
" I have played wide left, wide right, and I have played through the middle, so all of the positions are the same to me" said Amad regarding his favoured position.
James had explosive pace to burn, and I never really felt he was that lightweight, probably due to the fact he 'put himself about a bit', he certainly liked a challenge did James, that was one thing he was excellent at. James also had a whole Championship season under his belty which certainly assisted him with this.
I agree with our last manager and this current manager that Amad needs more game time elsewhere before he is first team material, and a chance to nail down a set position.
absolutely bizarre point to make
You're not understanding what I mean, I am saying he isn't first team ready, so he needs a loan. That way he can play for a team at a slightly lower level, get game time and grow as a player.
You were insinuating that because clubs wanted him on loan that he was first team ready, or at least thats what I took from it.
And yes, if he was for sale I'd expect several clubs to be after him, and then probably send him out on loan to get game time also!!
Not really in the context of what I was saying
Elanga/ Hannibal are ahead of Amad as they’re more physical and Ralf correctly diagnosed we always get bullied in the premier league. Too many entitled players like Rashford who doesn’t even try contest for headers and Pogba always lets runners past him. Elanga has come in and out in a shift.
Can we stop hating on Elanga in Amad's thread?
Geez they're practically babies.
Geez they're practically babies.
Amad just needs to grow physically… there’s not much more you can improve him technically he was born a footballer.
Agreed, we don't have to knock down one to build up the other.
It’s funny to see posters on the car who think they know more than Ralf. This is not Ole we’re talking about. His football cv building clubs and identifying talent is why he’s so highly rated. Elanga’s recent performances have confirmed that
Sorry missed this one. Yeah you need a hybrid of both aspects, intensity/athleticism and technical consistency, to have a title winning team. Pep and Klopp's sides have a mix of both, with Pep's side leaning more towards the technical side and Klopp more towards the intensity. Currently utd are lacking at the top level in both departments, more so the technical side, hence why it's baffling why Amad hasn't been given a chance because he brings both qualities to the table, intensity and technical consistency. Out of the managers potentially available, Ten Hag is the best option for targeting this balance and getting it right, I'm not really convinced with Rangnick.
I get the reasoning. I don't agree with it but I get it.
Either way Amad is being fecked over by the club.
He needs to play football somewhere at some level.
By far our best player when playing in the 23s. Yes even better than Hannibal and Elanga.
He has played 2 and a half games at all levels all season. That's a sure fire way to ruin a young players progression
Since we don't play him he should have been loaned on January 1st and should have been playing with the 23s more instead of playing no football at all.
The thing is though he has not got bullied when he has played for us. He got stuck in. So not playing him ever because of that is a bit of a cop out.
Anyway at this stage the real issue is he plays no football at all at any level.
Rangnick said Shaw was not good enough for utd and needed replacing, just before he had the best season of his career, seen as many as world class form. Managers get things wrong, Rangnick's no exception.
Just as technical
Love that you state that as fact.....
Elanga is only definitely faster and stronger.
Amad is way more technical.
Amad was better last season when they both got a go and better for the 23s.
Both deserve a go! Only one is having their development hindered.
If Elanga had played 2 games all season between the first team and under 23s we'd be in his thread giving out that his development is being stunted.
I don't think the club ar doing it deliberately! I think the people making the decisions feel Amad isn't ready, I'm inclined to agree.
It's obvious that Elanga is ready.
Amad's last game he scored the winner vs. Milan, didn't he?
Very good goal.
But in fairness, so was Amads V Milan.
To hell with it, get then both in the team! Get Hannibal in there too!!
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