Kazi needs to have control of the game for that to happen. I don't see that happening with the respective midfields in play. So he will have to rely on pure CA strategy IMO. His CB duo are good to adsorb a lot of pressure but in terms of attacking then he will be relying too much on Suarez.
All Time Premier League Fantasy Draft: R1 - Kazi vs MJJ/Crappy
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Kazi needs to have control of the game for that to happen. I don't see that happening with the respective midfields in play. So he will have to rely on pure CA strategy IMO. His CB duo are good to adsorb a lot of pressure but in terms of attacking then he will be relying too much on Suarez.
MJJ/Crappy's wingers are much better than Kazi's fullbacks so would be providing endless service for Fowler in the middle.
And how can that be, considering that you both have "world class" defenders? Aren't they supposed to be on the same level? Seriously, it was a bizarre statement, just admit it.
Messi is world class and so is ronaldo and so is suarez and rooney. But the former two are miles better than the latter two.
The only suggestion I have is that Ince and Keane can do better if their positions are swapped. Ince can assist with Suarez leaving Keane to do what he does best box to box. From what I recall Keane was more prevalent in left-centre anyway.
MJJ's defence may be weak, but he makes up for it with that midfield. They'll disrupt any smooth transition Kazi's team can hope for. I expect them to nick it by a goal. Gotta admit Kazi's defence is superb!
MJJ's defence may be weak, but he makes up for it with that midfield. They'll disrupt any smooth transition Kazi's team can hope for. I expect them to nick it by a goal. Gotta admit Kazi's defence is superb!
His CB pair is superb, the 2 full backs are alright. RB pool in this draft is ridiculously shallow.
Was sure I had voted for you more so had to google it. Apparently it has just happened once before in the reality draft QF.
You have voted against me 18/19 times in a row
You have voted against me 18/19 times in a row
I usually keep track on that kind of stuff and get more reluctant to vote against someone "yet again" but I hadn't given it a thought even.Sorry I'm late guys. I think if I defended properly, this game would be a piece of cake for me with Suarez/Klinsmann vs Southgate/Agger.
My team is reliant on those two, but with the players I have behind them, I think they'll be given every chance to win the game for me.
My team is reliant on those two, but with the players I have behind them, I think they'll be given every chance to win the game for me.
I would settle for a vote in my next 18/19 games
McGrath didn't have Vidic next to him. Wrt Fowler having a better strike rate than Klinsmann, Fowler wasn't playing for a relegation-threatened side.
Between 93 and 96 when both fowler and mcgrath were at their respective clubs they face each other six times, guess in how many matches did fowler score?
Five out of Six Matches.
His record against Mcgrath's villa? Six goals in Six matches.
I'm surprised there's such a difference in the score here.
I rate the two attacks and the two keepers about the same so it's whether I think having a brilliant defence but average midfield tops an excellent midfield but average defence.
Having watched United and Fergie win multiple premier league titles with a strong defence/attack and a decidedly average midfield, I think I'm leaning towards Kazi here.
Klinsmann and Suarez will simply score more goals against Agger and Southgate than Berbatov and Fowler will against Vidic and McGrath.
I rate the two attacks and the two keepers about the same so it's whether I think having a brilliant defence but average midfield tops an excellent midfield but average defence.
Having watched United and Fergie win multiple premier league titles with a strong defence/attack and a decidedly average midfield, I think I'm leaning towards Kazi here.
Klinsmann and Suarez will simply score more goals against Agger and Southgate than Berbatov and Fowler will against Vidic and McGrath.
Those 2 are not the only part of the attack. You can't just ignore wingers here. Like Annah said, the 2 wingers over the course of the match will beat the full backs multiple times resulting in either of the center backs to cover and also create chances for Fowler/Berba.
Your United example is a flawed one since the United team did struggle against sides with strong midfield in singular matches. It was over the course of the season, our weak midfield (once Scholes was past his peak) did not matter against 80% of the league opponents. Secondly, United had likes of Ronaldo, Nani, Rooney with Carrick/Scholes to launch attacks to hurt opposition like Arsenal on the counter. The quality and pace our our attack at that time is not equivalent to that in Kazi's team, neither does he have anyone like Carrick and Scholes in there to launch attacks from deep. Same is true for defense.
In Kazi's case, it really all comes down to Suarez to be part of the build up from deep where he will run into Keane/Ince combo. I really do believe that only way Kazi's set up wins us against is if you think Vida-Mcgrath pair can put in a huge performance of keeping the forwards quiet and bailing out the full backs while rating Suarez enough to be the match winner on the other end. Is that possible in a singular match? Yes. But if you take a set of 10 matches, then I don't believe the CB duo can pull out such a performance against the front 4 and our midfield will give us the control to create and score more goals in majority of those 10 matches.
Agreed. I'm worried about Overmars but very confident Vidic/McGrath can keep Fowler/Berba quiet.
Your wingers are dangerous and will cause problems along the flanks. The problem you have is that Vidic and McGrath are the best partnership in this draft to deal with crosses.
Relying on Suarez not to create enough chances to win a game when you have a weak defence is madness. This is a man who almost took a far weaker Liverpool side than Kazi has put together to the title last year. Suarez will score against that defence. At least once.
Relying on Suarez not to create enough chances to win a game when you have a weak defence is madness. This is a man who almost took a far weaker Liverpool side than Kazi has put together to the title last year. Suarez will score against that defence. At least once.
It does not work like that. It is not about Overmars or anyone going on a solo run beating their marker to score a goal. Overmars or Ginola doing damage on the wing affects your CB pair as well. They are not going to stand about marking Fowler and Berba if either of those two are charging down from the wing. Your weakness out wide is going to affect your whole defense. In order to weather our front 6 and deploy a successful CA strategy you pretty much needed top of the line full backs to go with your central pair since both of our wingers are our major outlet of attack.
Even removing that, if you could have at least claimed to have control of the midfield to starve supply to any of the attacking 4 then such a argument could be bought. But again that is not possible when you are up against Keane-Ince.
I just it as a bad match up for your side and the tactics surrounding it.
I actually did concede that both sides will score here, just that we will score more owing to our midfield control and multiple attacking threat. I am not sure I agree that Liverpool side was far weaker. He had Sturridge alongside who score plenty even when Suarez was out injured and the midfield diamond system constructed by Brendon meant that likes of Gerrard, Coutinho, Sterling combined to be greater than sum of the parts.
I guess I just disagree with your simplistic breakdown of how defending works. If Overmars is free after beating Lauren, a defender is not going to stay on which forward he is marking, he will be bound to try to close down Overmars from charging into an even better position. Keep in mind that Overmars had a very good scoring record for Arsenal himself. There there is the fact that peak Fowler already has a great scoring record against Mcgrath as pointed out by MJJ.
Neither Overmars nor Ginola are the type to beat their fullback and then tear into the box a la Ronaldo or Bale. They will beat him on the outside and cross it. You're also painting it like they'll be leaving them for dead up around the halfway line on a regular basis but that's not likely. Both Lauren and Azpilicueta are good fullbacks and will give your wide men at least as good a battle as they'll get.
I think you are grossly underestimating pace of Overmars here, not to mention the goal scoring threat he possess as well. Some sample goals he scored for Arsenal -
There is a reason why Overmars can play both on right and left. He is not an old fashioned English winger who will just deliver a cross from out wide.
This is what Ginola is capable of as well -
Anyway since you have already voted, there is no point debating further. I maintain that even with Vidic-Mcgrath. His back 4 as a whole is going to struggle against our front 4 supplemented by Keane-Ince dominating his central pair.
You're right, I might be doing Overmars a disservice in saying he's just a cross merchant. He was a goal threat, particularly in his first season. I do think you're doing the same with Lauren though.
I'm definitely not slamming your side, it's a really close game and your midfield is truly excellent.
I'm definitely not slamming your side, it's a really close game and your midfield is truly excellent.
Suarez is great individually but there were a lot of factors that contributed to that amazing season. He was surrounded by Sturridge and Sterling, two very quick players and also versatile enough to give Suarez the free role and have a very fluid attack that counter attacked like mad men. And the backbone of that successful season was the fantastic chemistry and understanding throughout the team, specially the attack which punished teams before they could realize what was happening. The sort of speed in transition as well as the complimentary movement and cohesion, I don't see much of that happening here. This is a much more tradition Premier League setup which relies way more on Suarez singlehandedly beating opponents and opening up spaces than Liverpool did.
This is all of course considering the Kazi's midfield will struggle to have any sort of control in midfield and not a lot of service can be expected for the forwards. With them having little time on the ball and spending a fair amount of the game isolated up front, the relative difference in quality between the forwards and CraMJJ's defense will not hurt them as much as Kazi would like it to.
This is all of course considering the Kazi's midfield will struggle to have any sort of control in midfield and not a lot of service can be expected for the forwards. With them having little time on the ball and spending a fair amount of the game isolated up front, the relative difference in quality between the forwards and CraMJJ's defense will not hurt them as much as Kazi would like it to.
Why is it always taken as a given that crossees are aerial balls? I really don't get it.
Overmars beats Lauren, Paul Mc Grath comes out to pick him up, cut back to Berbatov, and suddenly you have Vidic having to make a decision between Fowler or Berbatov.
I actually think Fowler-Berbatov are the sort of pair that could get those two in real trouble. They are perfect to face something like Yorke-Cole, but not these two.
What? I still remember The Sun's backpage "Mars Attacks". I tried to find it but obviously had little luck googling "mars attacks the sun". He tore as a new one that day.
MJJ/crappy win this one for me. The balance of the front six (so to speak) is really quite brilliant.
That back four is seriously underwhelming, though, and won't survive another round - upgrades needed. Partly a question of actual quality - and definitely a question of draft appeal.
That back four is seriously underwhelming, though, and won't survive another round - upgrades needed. Partly a question of actual quality - and definitely a question of draft appeal.
Time for a midnight push. Suarez will exploit that pocket between Ferreira and Southgate so hard.
Even pearce? Think he is fine in there.
Pearce us the only one who could feature in a semi. Would be a possible weakness in a final.
Start with Agger/Southgate, they are comfortably the weakest pair we've seen thus far.
And yet Kevin Phillips managed a European Golden Boot...
You can't dismiss a atriker's record because they played for a bigger team. The point IS they played for a bigger team! They had high aspirations, pushed themselves every game as midtable wasn't a happy place...
Their average weekend was playing against a parked bus, which somewhat makes up for the quality gap in the players that surrounded them (Not thatSpurs lacked cracking players).
Think people are underrating agger a bit, he might not be as good as vidic/mcgrath but was on par with the likes of king,etc. A very good passer as well.
But yeah will probably upgrade him
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King's peak was comfortably higher. And I say this as someone who thinks King gets overrated and gets the benefit of 'positive hindsight' (I'm sure there's a better word for that?)
He's the one least in need of an upgrade, certainly.
Thanks chester..must resist the temptation of upgrading attack and wings.
Wings? Only players upgrade over our current wingers are - Giggs, Beckham, Pires (maybe)
Okay, scratch that then.
I suppose the logical thing would be to lose Agger first, then either Ferreira or Southgate. I'd lose Ferreira, but it obviously depends on who's available.
Aye, Southgate with a solid partner could be good for another round.