All Time ODI Cricket Draft SF 1: KM vs Samid

Who will win the ODI?

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Welcome to the first Semi Final match of the ODI cricket draft. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) Judge players only on the basis of their ODI records.
2) Base your vote on which team you think is more likely to win an ODI between the two.
3) The poll will remain open for 24 hours after creation.

KM has won the toss and has put in Samid's team to bat first.

The XIs:

@KM: 1. Sachin Tendulkar 2. Hashim Amla 3. Root 4. Aravinda de Silva 5. Shane Watson 6. Jos Buttler (WK) 7. Angelo Matthews 8. Richard Hadlee 9. Allan Donald 10. Jason Gillespie 11. Saeed Ajmal
Note: km255: Captain I dont fecking care tbh


@Samid : 1. Gordon Greenidge 2. Adam Gilchrist (WK) 3. Zaheer Abbas 4. Martin Crowe (C) 5. AB de Villiers 6. Michael Bevan 7. Ravindra Jadeja 8. Abdul Qadir 9. Zaheer Khan 10. Joel Garner 11. Makhaya Ntini

Match Conditions:
Flat tops. Batting paradise.
 
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Team KM​

1) Greatest Opening partnership: I've without a doubt the best opening partnership in the draft. On one side, you've got Amla who's got a fairly ridiculous average of 52 and strike of 90 in ODI's and on the other side you've got the GOAT, Tendulkar. Nuff said. On a flat batting pitch they'll be absolute monsters who'll take apart any bowling attack in the world/

2) Solid Middle Order: Root, De Silva and Watson are both capable of solidifying the innings, whilst all amassing quick runs themselves. So even if I lose an early wicket(very unlikely), I could turn to middle order to solidify the innings and take the game in the later stages for

3) Aggressive lower order batsmen: After the platform has been laid down by my top order. In Buttler and Matthews I possess two of the most aggressive batsmen in the world right now. Buttler has England’s three fastest centuries in their history whilst Matthews has been one of the best finishers in the world right now, finishing many games for Sri Lanka.

4) Wicket Taking bowlers: In Donald, Hadlee and Ajmal I’ve three of the best ODI bowlers in a long time, three of them have an average under 25 and all are just world class. They’ll be ably supported by the likes of Watson, Gillespie. With the pitch offering bounce, I expect the likes of Donald to absolutely own this match. It's hard to find a better opening pair than Hadlee and Donald. Even with their rich bowling history, I've got the best bowlers in SA and NZ history which is an huge point for me.

5) Depth in bowling: In addition to the main bowlers I’ve listed, I’ve also got Angelo Matthews who bowls his full quota of 10 overs in their respective sides and have more than 100 or so wickets. If the ball is spinning, then De Silva, Tendulkar and Root will provide me even more options.

6) Weak Bowling of Opposition: On flat pitches, it's not the quality of batsmen who decide the game but the quality of bowlers who'll ultimately decide the game. Apart from Joel Garner, all three of my pace bowlers are much better than their counterparts. In addition to that, I've got bowlers like Watson who has an very good one day bowling record for an all rounder. Tendulkar and Matthews are well known partnership breakers.

Oh and did I mention that Gilchrist has an average of 25 when it comes to matches involving Allan Donald?
 
Team Samid

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Why I will win:
  • Greenidge and Gilchrist are a destructive opening pair. On a batting paradise these two will build a solid platform at a rapid pace.
  • Zaheer Abbas was the first ever batsman to score 3 consecutive centuries in ODIs, a record only broken in 2015. His five centuries in Pakistan have come at SRs of: 141, 114, 137, 128, 114. Zaheer loves batting paradises.
  • Crowe is a big game player as he showed in the 1992 WC, in the semi final his 91 of 83 balls anchored the first inning. In WCs he averages 55 @ 84.
  • AB the beast. I think everyone knows the impact this guy has made in international cricket. Some may say he is batting too deep but stats show that he is at his deathliest when batting at 5. In his 36 innings at this position he averages 82 @ 109. Holds the records for fastest 50, 100 and 150. Give AB 20 overs on this pitch and he will murder the bowling.
  • Bevan’s SR is affected by the fact that he takes a controlled approach in chases. His SR is significantly better batting first while his average remains 50+.
  • Garner is the best bowler in the draft. His height and awkward length will cramp the batsmen for room, making scoring incredibly hard. Sharing the opening ball is Zaheer Khan who made a living of bowling on flat decks. He is a natural swinger of the ball and had a habit of taking early wickets.
  • Ntini is at his most economical when bowling first change, here his economy is 4.17.
  • The two spinners that will eat up the middle overs are Qadir and Jadeja. Qadir will be the enforcer, he will constantly bowl his variations. Jadeja’s role is to rush through the overs, cramp the batsmen for room and keep pushing that required rate skywards.
 
@Rado_N, could you make this poll please;

Title: Who will win the ODI?
  • KM
  • Samid
Vote options: can only pick 1 choice, votes can be changed, votes are public.

Thank You in Advance.
 
A 16yr old dismantles a veteran

 
@Samid I've voted for myself, do the same! Good luck!
 
As I said, on flat pitches the bowlers determine the game and i've got a stronger bowling attack than him whilst batting is more or less equal.
 
Also I wonder if the playing styles of Crowe will allow him to play attacking cricket on a flat deck.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Team Samid
AB the beast. I think everyone knows the impact this guy has made in international cricket. Some may say he is batting too deep but stats show that he is at his deathliest when batting at 5. In his 36 innings at this position he averages 82 @ 109. Holds the records for fastest 50, 100 and 150. Give AB 20 overs on this pitch and he will murder the bowling.​
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No he won't. He's not facing the WI of 2015 bowling attack. He's facing a world class bowling attack. His record for fastest 100 and 150 came against a ridiculously rubbish WI team. Not saying he's world class, he obviously is but "murdering" this bowling attack? Nah.
 
An eight minute youtube reel doesn't convince me, I'm just going off on the basis of the career strike rate. Happy to stand corrected.
 
KM said:
An eight minute youtube reel doesn't convince me, I'm just going off on the basis of the career strike rate. Happy to stand corrected.
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SR 86 in India and 94 in Pak. Historically these countries have had the flattest pitches. His SR is affected by playing GOATs on bowling friendly surfaces in NZ and Windies.
 
Jadeja and Zaheer not good enough here IMO
 
Samid got better team imo.
M.crowe was so good in sub continent.
 
Mani said:
Samid got better team imo.
M.crowe was so good in sub continent.
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I'm not sure how.

My bowling is a lot better. Openers are better.
 
Batting:
Greenidge/Gilchrist < Tendulkar/Amla
Abbas > Root
Crowe > Da Silva
AB >> Watson
Bevan > Buttler

Bowling:
Zaheer Khan > Gillespie
Garner > Hadlee
Ntini < Donald
Qadir < Ajmal
Jadeja = Matthews/Watson

Keeper:
Gilchrist > Buttler

My batting is comfortably better. Better keeper. Bowling is even.
 
Samid said:
Batting:
Greenidge/Gilchrist < Tendulkar/Amla
Abbas > Root
Crowe > Da Silva
AB >> Watson
Bevan > Buttler

Bowling:
Zaheer Khan > Gillespie
Garner > Hadlee
Ntini < Donald
Qadir < Ajmal
Jadeja = Matthews/Watson

Keeper:
Gilchrist > Buttler

My batting is comfortably better. Better keeper. Bowling is even.
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What rubbish. Jadeja equal to Watson. Jesus Christ.

Martin crowe wasn't better than Da Silva. I like how you've classed my openers as one so that you look better.

Donald is the best bowler on show equal with Garner. Then comes Hadlee, Gillespie, Ajmal and then your rubbish.
 
Wow, I am a little surprised here. I thought this would be close.
First of all, why is Abd at 5 ? I don't like that one bit, especially since Samid is batting first.
KM's batting looks a lot more balanced on first glance, but apart from Sachin and Amla, no genuine gamechanger in that top 8. I am not sure they would do so well in a run chase.
Samid's team is less balanced, but has maybe an extra batting gamechanger or two. I really like Abbas and Crowe and think either would do very well in a batting paradise pitch alongside gilly and AbD.

Bowling wise, won't matter as not much will happen on that fold. It's more a case of who can contain better, and in that sense I think KM might do better. Tough one. I can't believe it's so one sided atm.
 
Also, I don't get it. It says 2 votes for Samid but I can only see one of them. :|
 
Have people not watched Buttler or Matthews at all? They're match changers in every sense of word.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Also, I don't get it. It says 2 votes for Samid but I can only see one of them. :|
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Its actually 7-2 cos Samid has voted for me for some reason.
 
KM said:
Its actually 7-2 cos Samid has voted for me for some reason.
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I mean I went to see who picked Samid's team and and I could only see one name. So am a little confused.

Also Buttler is a game changer, I agree. I don't think mathews is though.
 
Ijazz17 said:
I mean I went to see who picked Samid's team and and I could only see one name. So am a little confused.

Also Buttler is a game changer, I agree. I don't think mathews is though.
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He's a finisher.
 
KM's batting should stand up well in the run chase. The onus is on Samid's batsmen to fire. On a batting paradise they will but KM's bowling is better IMO. They also don't have the pressure to have to take wickets, rather bowl to contain and work for the wickets through consistent line and length. Whereas Samid would have to take all ten wickets.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Wow, I am a little surprised here. I thought this would be close.
First of all, why is Abd at 5 ? I don't like that one bit, especially since Samid is batting first.
KM's batting looks a lot more balanced on first glance, but apart from Sachin and Amla, no genuine gamechanger in that top 8. I am not sure they would do so well in a run chase.
Samid's team is less balanced, but has maybe an extra batting gamechanger or two. I really like Abbas and Crowe and think either would do very well in a batting paradise pitch alongside gilly and AbD.

Bowling wise, won't matter as not much will happen on that fold. It's more a case of who can contain better, and in that sense I think KM might do better. Tough one. I can't believe it's so one sided atm.
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It's not a surprise really. Do look closely at how he has composed his team. He has filled up his team with current batsmen who have good numbers. Numbers that are affected by 60m boundaries, rapid outfields and no support for bowlers. Batsmen these days (2013-present) are the T20 generation, obviously their numbers will be way better than those of the previous generations.

And then you look at his bowlers, 3 of his bowlers weren't around for the T20 generation. One who has been around, Watson, has an economy of over 6 between 2013-present. On one side you are making a case for how aggressive your batsmen are, on the other you are laughing at the suggestion of Jadeja (playing most of his career in the T20 generation and having good numbers) being a better bowler than Watson (who has been smashed to all corners in the T20 generation). You can't have it both ways.

People are only interested in numbers and forget the era the players played in. If anyone seriously believes that Buttler is anywhere close to Bevan as a finisher then they're taking the piss.

And then if you try to make a case for your own modern day great (AB) the response you get is "but he only made those runs vs rubbish WI bowlers".
 
To illustrate the point:

Jadeja:

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Watson:

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The response I get is:
What rubbish. Jadeja equal to Watson. Jesus Christ.
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So what has Watson the bowler showed in the last 3-4 years? Pitches get too flat for him to bowl on? T20 generation batsmen took him to the cleaners on batting paradises?
 
Boycott said:
KM's batting should stand up well in the run chase. The onus is on Samid's batsmen to fire. On a batting paradise they will but KM's bowling is better IMO. They also don't have the pressure to have to take wickets, rather bowl to contain and work for the wickets through consistent line and length. Whereas Samid would have to take all ten wickets.
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Thank you.

Finally someone who gets it. On a batting paradise, the team with better bowling wins. Samid bowling is no where near to me.

Jadeja better than Watson :lol:
 
Well done on choosing stats after Watson has lessened his bowling after injury. We are supposed to rate players on peak. Talk about agenda.
 
If one of De Villiers or Gilchrist is there for ~30 overs of the innings, it's going to be too much for KM's team to topple. The two most destructive batsmen I've watched in the last 10-15 years of watching cricket.
 
@NM mentions about Zak and Jaddu being the weak link and then votes for him. I don't understand.
 
Wow last time I checked it was 7-2

Lets have some more discussion. Those who voted already explain their though process.
 
Glad to see this being closer now. No way that KMs team is that much stronger. A lot of it comes down to personal preference I guess. Will vote later. Too sleepy atm.
 
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I'm not sure how.

My bowling is a lot better. Openers are better.
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Barring sachin and Aravinda and may be Amala to and extend rest are average.
His top 6 is best you can assemble at this stage.
 
Jadeja is such an eye sore. Relying him for 10 overs in this is madness.

Otherwise Samid has the better team.
 
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