All Time ODI Cricket Draft FINALS: KM vs NM/prath

[prath92]

So it taken ten posts for you to call me deluded and asking if I'm having issues reading. There goes the moral high ground.

Anyway your middle order is better but my openers are comfortably better than yours and so is my pace bowling attack. On a swinging pitch, and with four quality bowlers they'll be relentless in dismissing your batting.

pace bowling attack isnt better at all. Wasim is comfortably better than Imran. Hadlee and Roberts arent very different either though though swing gives a bit of an edge to hadlee (we have excellent swing bowlers in Bracken and Flintoff anyway so we dont lack there either). Theres no way gillespie is better than Flintoff. statistically and on ability and variation Flintoff is better, Flintoff can swing it both ways and could reverse it as well. Kallis is also much better than Mathews for what it is worth. So is Murali in comparison to Ajmal.

It was your guy who mentioned Da Silva's average in those three countries. Read the thread, I didn't make a single mention of it. This is hilarious. He seemed lost in his argument and then proceeded to go away in a fit of rage.

Its 3 countries individually though. What that post meant was that he averages less than 30 in each of Eng SA and Aus. Not together.

 

[KM]

pace bowling attack isnt better at all. Wasim is comfortably better than Imran. Hadlee and Roberts arent very different either though though swing gives a bit of an edge to hadlee (we have excellent swing bowlers in Bracken and Flintoff anyway so we dont lack there either). Theres no way gillespie is better than Flintoff. statistically and on ability and variation Flintoff is better, Flintoff can swing it both ways and could reverse it as well. Kallis is also much better than Mathews for what it is worth. So is Murali in comparison to Ajmal.



Its 3 countries individually though. What that post meant was that he averages less than 30 in each of Eng SA and Aus. Not together.

Ak okay. You seem to have ignored Donald at all who's my best pace bowler so fair enough for that.

 

[KM]

Its 3 countries individually though. What that post meant was that he averages less than 30 in each of Eng SA and Aus. Not together.

Dhoni averages less than 40 in SA(25 actually) and Eng. In the era of "inflated averages" how poor is that?

 

[prath92]

taking regions together will be very skewed so its more practical to take individually. If a person averages 40 in Aus and 15 in Eng, then the average would mean 22, and that he is poor. Whereas he is poor in at least one of the countries so it can be taken as adaptible enough. As i said before (and we have said it in all games), averages are only indicators.

Ak okay. You seem to have ignored Donald at all who's my best pace bowler so fair enough for that.

Oops. I knew I was missing someone Anyway we said in the OP that donald is better than bracken.

 

[KM]

Wasim was also not comfortably better than Imran Khan.

 

[Skills]

Flintoff can swing it?

 

[KM]

Anyway going to sleep. Laters! Just realised that we're gonna debate when the India-Pak match is on ffs!

 

[prath92]

Flintoff can swing it?

Yeah he can reverse too. He was the only English bowler (besides Simon Jones )when he played who could. Apparently he was taught by Wasim Akram during their Lancashire days (Waqar taught Jones i think, wherever they played, Hampshire i think?). I think it was a major weapon of his during the 2006 Ashes as well?

Wasim was also not comfortably better than Imran Khan.

In ODIs yes. Akram took swing bowling to different levels

And even in today's conditions, 40 isnt really going to be common. If everyone averaged 40 everywhere they will be Tendulkar. More like 35 at best. Though I take 30 to be more liberal as to not put too much into stats.

 

[prath92]

Anyway going to sleep. Laters! Just realised that we're gonna debate when the India-Pak match is on ffs!

yeah goodnight. I guess I can go and study as well. I have 7 to 7 sessions tomorrow. 12 hours of Indirect Taxes.

 

[KM]

yeah I have 7 to 7 sessions tomorrow too. 12 hours of Indirect Taxes.

I don't envy your life, hope it's all worth in the end.

 

[prath92]

I don't envy your life, hope it's all worth in the end.

i really doubt that . Night anyways. All the best.

 

[Moby]

I mean for ODIs no one else is even close.

At least someone gets it.

 

[Moby]

Wasim was also not comfortably better than Imran Khan.

In ODIs? No chance. Wasim, and by a fair margin.

 

[Mani]

Both team look evenly matched.

 

[NM]

Bump. Watching football and waiting for India vs Pak, so not expectig much but I'll try

 

[prath92]

Just back from class. Anyone else to vote? @Samid @The Man Himself @Ayush_reddevil @Ijazz17 @Akash @Aldo @Varun

 

[prath92]

@Skizzo @RedTiger ?

 

[Varun]

Voted NM/Prath. Their batting is much better which wins them the game.

 

[Boycott]

The match ups up til now have been great but this has been shit especially for a final.

Voted NM as his bowling is superior. KM has a good batting line up but I think the contest between his batsmen and NM's bowling is closer than the other way round.

 

[NM]

Can't believe I won this. Good game @KM Thank You @prath92 . Think I'm done with drafts for a while

 

[prath92]

Wow. That was unexpected especially when we were 9-5 or so with 2 hours to go

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Congrats @NM. @prath92. Kohli and Dhoni wins the trophy for you.

Hard luck @KM It was just so close!

 

[crappycraperson]

The fact that the team that drafted Dhoni and Kohli as the first 2 picks won the draft says it all about majority of the cricket voters in the draft. Probability didn't watch any cricket before 2000

 

[NM]

The fact that the team that drafted Dhoni and Kohli as the first 2 picks won the draft says it all about majority of the cricket voters in the draft. Probability didn't watch any cricket before 2000

Why do you always post like a grumpy, condescending old man?

 

[prath92]

The fact that the team that drafted Dhoni and Kohli as the first 2 picks won the draft says it all about majority of the cricket voters in the draft. Probability didn't watch any cricket before 2000

I dont think so. Kohli and Dhoni themselves are top players who would have been excellent whenever they played. From what I observed, very few posters rated players of current generation other than the obvious (MS,AB,Amla,Kohli). The problem is the opposite. People of olden times are rated higher than they should be.

 

[crappycraperson]

I dont think so. Kohli and Dhoni themselves are top players who would have been excellent whenever they played. From what I observed, very few posters rated players of current generation other than the obvious (MS,AB,Amla,Kohli). The problem is the opposite. People of olden times are rated higher than they should be.

Think you are terribly wrong. Pitches in ODIs since 2003 have been too lop sided for batters. ODI's golden period was between 92 WC and 2003 WC for me. Some of the best players of the game mixing it up in the best set up for 50 over cricket.
There are very few top class cricketers about, hence why no team is capable of playing well away from home in alien conditions. Things have gotten so bad that a lot of people have opinion-ed that 50 overs cricket should be killed for T20. It will probably happen sooner or later as well with T20WC becoming the main showpiece for ICC.

 

[Boycott]

The fact that the team that drafted Dhoni and Kohli as the first 2 picks won the draft says it all about majority of the cricket voters in the draft. Probability didn't watch any cricket before 2000

That's a patronising post. Would you say that if the team with Buttler and Matthews won? What's different?

I saw ODIs in the 80s onwards. There is an element of overrating old timers. Allan Lamb for instance got rave plaudits earlier in the draft because of his stats but I watched him and his play style didn't convince me.

I've been pretty big on play style aided with stats throughout, not stat heavy as some drafters played to.

 

[prath92]

Think you are terribly wrong. Pitches in ODIs since 2003 have been too lop sided for batters. ODI's golden period was between 92 WC and 2003 WC for me. Some of the best players of the game mixing it up in the best set up for 50 over cricket.
There are very few top class cricketers about, hence why no team is capable of playing well away from home in alien conditions. Things have gotten so bad that a lot of people have opinion-ed that 50 overs cricket should be killed for T20. It will probably happen sooner or later as well with T20WC becoming the main showpiece for ICC.

Yes I agree but rarely were such players rated. Maxwell raina and all were hardly rated. In fact people knew about the strengths and weaknesses about the newer players than old ones. For instance people rate bowlers of 90s who were amazing in tests just because of their name. Courtney Walsh for one.

 

[Moby]

Maxwell raina and all were hardly rated.

There's a reason behind that.

 

[crappycraperson]

That's a patronising post. Would you say that if the team with Buttler and Matthews won? What's different?

I saw ODIs in the 80s onwards. There is an element of overrating old timers. Allan Lamb for instance got rave plaudits earlier in the draft because of his stats but I watched him and his play style didn't convince me.

I've been pretty big on play style aided with stats throughout, not stat heavy as some drafters played to.

Heh.. it was very tounge in cheek. I personally rate the 90s ODI players the most when it was the dominant format for some time.

 

[crappycraperson]

There's a reason behind that.

TBH I was surprised when team Ando lost. I thought you guys were favs. Waugh and Sachin was a scary opening pair. Possible opening pair in all time ODI 11. In fact I have zero idea why Hayden was rated as a better ODI opener than Waugh.

 

[Moby]

In fact I have zero idea why Hayden was rated as a better ODI opener than Waugh.

Was he? That's just a proof of what you said.

Gilchrist and Waugh, personally for me is the best opening pair I've seen. Literally nothing they couldn't do. And their chemistry was insane as well.

I'd take it ahead of Greenidge-Haynes and Tendulkar-Ganguly.

 

[prath92]

There's a reason behind that.

exactly. No one were acting as if maxwell was a gamechanger. Everyone were objective and judged well. People were rating players they didnt see as better than players they did imo when it may not have been true.

 

[Boycott]

Heh.. it was very tounge in cheek. I personally rate the 90s ODI players the most when it was the dominant format for some time.

I'm with you that the 90s was the best era. A lot of the best bowlers and batsmen weren't picked up though in the replenishment pool as there were more pressing needs

Ponting went untouched after round one and you look at KM's team, he'd get in there but he got to the final still.

 

[Moby]

I'm with you that the 90s was the best era. A lot of the best bowlers and batsmen weren't picked up though in the replenishment pool as there were more pressing needs

Ponting went untouched after round one and you look at KM's team, he'd get in there but he got to the final still.

Country restrictions, dude. You think I'd go for Sanga ahead of Punter for the number 3? Waugh and Symonds were indispensable.

 

[crappycraperson]

I'm with you that the 90s was the best era. A lot of the best bowlers and batsmen weren't picked up though in the replenishment pool as there were more pressing needs

Ponting went untouched after round one and you look at KM's team, he'd get in there but he got to the final still.

I think KM was incredibly lucky with the draw in first 2 round, picking 2 weak teams.

Then some of the stronger teams made very questionable decisions. Samid's team was very strong but I despise R.Jadeja so having him in semis was ridiculous. Another person didn't upgrade Smith with Pointing instead upgrading Lee with Mcgrath even though batting always trumps bowling in ODIs.

 

[KM]

congrats NM and Prath. GG.

But India won so feck this.

 

[prath92]

congrats NM and Prath. GG.

But India won so feck this.

Good game man. Was fun. the timing affected all of us. else could ave been a better dissected game.

at the end of the day cricket is the winner i supppose.

 

[harshad]

I think KM was incredibly lucky with the draw in first 2 round, picking 2 weak teams.

Then some of the stronger teams made very questionable decisions. Samid's team was very strong but I despise R.Jadeja so having him in semis was ridiculous. Another person didn't upgrade Smith with Pointing instead upgrading Lee with Mcgrath even though batting always trumps bowling in ODIs.

We didn't have smith, we had steve waugh

 

[Varun]

TBH I was surprised when team Ando lost. I thought you guys were favs. Waugh and Sachin was a scary opening pair. Possible opening pair in all time ODI 11. In fact I have zero idea why Hayden was rated as a better ODI opener than Waugh.

Me too.