Great then I'll see the draw before I leave.
All time British+Irish Fantasy Draft
- Thread starter crappycraperson
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I wanted two players though, didnt know both the snakes were done together.
The current second one
Snake round 2 auction (bids finalize in 12 hr if unchallenged)
1-Chester - 12m - 20: 34
2- Crappy 10m - 04.19
3 - MJJ - 10m - 04.29
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Snake round 2 auction (bids finalize in 12 hr if unchallenged)
1-Chester - 12m - 20: 34
2- Crappy 10m - 04.19
3 - MJJ - 10m - 04.29
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Here is the 2 formats we can have -
Approach A
4 groups of 3
2 teams go through to make it 8 teams for knockout stage
The total matches would be same as when we have 16 teams.
Since it only 3 teams per group, it unlikely we will have any dead rubber games.
Approach B
Knockout straight away.
12 teams down to 6 after round 1. Down to 3 after round 2. Then best loser of round 2 makes up the last(4th) semi finalist.
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Which one do people prefer?
Approach A
4 groups of 3
2 teams go through to make it 8 teams for knockout stage
The total matches would be same as when we have 16 teams.
Since it only 3 teams per group, it unlikely we will have any dead rubber games.
Approach B
Knockout straight away.
12 teams down to 6 after round 1. Down to 3 after round 2. Then best loser of round 2 makes up the last(4th) semi finalist.
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Which one do people prefer?
We need 6 english and five non-english players in the starting eleven right?
yes
No, he can't. It's in the rules. States specifically that Len Shackleton can't be picked up for ten mill.
What's it to you anyway?
Hmm...that's 19 total games in Approach A vs 12 total games in Approach B if I've done my sums right. I'm easy either way really. Neither number seems excessive to me, although with Approach A I'd probably prefer no reinforcements after the group stages, as 8 managers would be fighting it out for the best players from only 4 teams.
Approach A! Clearly more fun and a bit experimental too. Think we need it in this draft and two games will give the beginners a second chance - and all players will get to have at least two matches with discussion.
Oh crap, I'll get on it. I've been busy with my exam paper
@crappycraperson I'll chuck 10m towards the snake!
This is the most confusing draft ever. I've not the slightest idea what you guys are doing.
The auction stage of the draft has finished. The managers with money left and places in their squad to fill are now completing 2 rounds of snake drafting - you need to pay at least 10m to enter each round of snake drafting, with whoever pays the most getting to pick first. They just need to hurry the feck up about it, as I'm bored shitless here!
It's the main drawback of the auction draft format with interested observers unable to really follow what the hell is going on.
I did wonder whether there was something about him I couldn't remember, didn't have a clue why he hadn't even been mentioned. English, I assumed.
Approach A: One team could lose two in a row (third is a dead rubber, unless you make it that reinforcements are defined by final standing, with the four winners going first). You could also have all teams winning one and losing the other (you could, really). How do you settle it then? They play each other again? Vote difference?
Approach B: Much better, group stages really do get dull, particularly once you work out one team is never going to make it yet you have to watch them lose TWICE. If anyone wanted to see how a group of three works, make all losers in round 2 play a 3-way playoff, and watch the paint dry.
Funny how people complain about snakes taking forever, we are on Day 12 here, while both the Reality and Managers SNAKE drafts took 11 days (Tevezbola included). The quality of the content -and the ease to find it- is better as well.
I don't get it really, you basically end up spending MORE time while having to be paranoid all day someone may have been nominated and if you relax too much before checking back in it may cost you a 5M or 10M raise... The format always ends up identical as well: wham bam at the beginning, then a long procession of people securing players for 10M. If anyone ever needs to work out what non-aggression pacts were meant to look like, they should read up one of these.
The pool here being way too big for a draft for 12 men is the reason to why people have ended up with this 10 mill bid strategy. It is not just big but very balanced as well in terms of the players going in round 2-3 and 10-12.
I do think there is a general issue with auction drafts as they are right now though in terms of people spending it all early then just riding out cheap bids. It easily solved though by removing the limitation on players per round which was always bound to push people in to overspending early.
I'm with Anto- group stages always seem to drag on for ages. Straight knockout for me.
We will have groups of 3 so if someone loses 2 matches, he is out?
There simply can not be a dead rubber in a group of 3 teams I think
This needs to speed up. Snake round 2 is over.
Here is the order.
@Chesterlestreet (-12m)
crappy (-10m)
@MJJ (-10m)
@SirAF (-10m) - must pick a non english player
Here is the order.
@Chesterlestreet (-12m)
crappy (-10m)
@MJJ (-10m)
@SirAF (-10m) - must pick a non english player
That is correct. In a group of three there would be three matches and every match would be absolutely crucial. Would be really brilliant. The third match wouldn't be dead rubber you'd arrange who would play against the winner of the other groups?
I'm easy either way.
I'm warming to the idea of group stages, given that it apparently won't result in excessive games or dead rubbers. It seems fair to managers to give them at least two games, and reduces the impact of an unlucky draw a tad.
What happens if all 3 teams win 1 and lose 1?
I'm fine either way btw!
I'm fine either way btw!
Goal difference?
That's the tricky part. I will decide on a GD system.
I'm easy either way.
We need to speed this up
Does any one care if we pick second draft picks after the draw is made? I doubt it matters.
Does any one care if we pick second draft picks after the draw is made? I doubt it matters.
No, go ahead.
List of 12 managers
Crappy
Gio
Lynk
Skizzo
Raaes
Edgar
MJJ
Barney/Joga Bonito
Annah
Chester
Stobzilla
SirAF
Here is what we are going to do for a draw.
I am PMing a jumbled list of the managers to Edgar (for verification later)
@Barney - you can post a list of following randomzied
A
A
A
B
B
B
C
C
C
D
D
D
We will then match the two lists to get the groups.
Crappy
Gio
Lynk
Skizzo
Raaes
Edgar
MJJ
Barney/Joga Bonito
Annah
Chester
Stobzilla
SirAF
Here is what we are going to do for a draw.
I am PMing a jumbled list of the managers to Edgar (for verification later)
@Barney - you can post a list of following randomzied
A
A
A
B
B
B
C
C
C
D
D
D
We will then match the two lists to get the groups.
The list PMed at 19:16
MJJ
Stozilla
Lynk
Annah
Raaes
Crappy
Chester
Edgar
Barney/Joga Bonito
SirAF
Skizzo
Gio
Groups -
Group A
Stobzilla
Crappy
Gio
Group B
Annah
Raees
SirAF
Group C
Lynk
Chester
Skizzo
Group D
MJJ
Edgar
Barney/Joga
Once again bad draw for moi
We should randomize or decide match ups!
Group A
Gio - 278m 1. Jimmy Greaves 30m, 2. Tom Finney 72m 3. Ashley Cole 36m 4. Davie Meiklejohn 10m 5. Des Walker 34m 6. Alan Morton 29m 7. Alex James 21m 8. Gordon Banks 10m9. George Young 16m 10. Alan Mullery 10m 11. Willie Miller 10m 12. David Platt 10m
Stobzilla - 286m 1. Jimmy Johnstone 38m; 2. Alan Hansen 40m 3. Johnny Giles 50m 4. Eddie Gray 40m 5. Kevin Ratfcliffe 15m 6. Peter Reid 15m 7.Danny McGrain 28m 8. Ron Springett 10m9.Alan Shearer 20m 10. Teddy Sheringham 10m 11. Mike England 10m 12. Stuart Pearce 10m
Crappy - 269m 1. Irwin 42m, 2. Rush 30m 3.Wayne Rooney 20m 4. Bale 30m 5. Rio Ferdinand 55m 6. Jim Baxter 47m 7. Andy Goram 10m 8. Phil Neal 15m 9.Patsy Gallacher 10m10. Steve Bruce 10m
Group B
Annah - 260m 1. George Best 95m, 2. Stanley Matthews 52m, 3. Danny Blanchflower 63m 4. B. Collins 10m 5. Jim Leighton 10m
6. McCracken 10m 7. Hardwick 10m 8. Ron Burgess 10m 9. Stan Mortensen 10. Bill Slater 11. Mel Hopkins 12. Kenny Sansom
SirAF- 260m 1. Giggs 70m, 2. Hurst 10m, 3. Gary Lineker 25m 4. Trevor Brooking 18m 5. Steven Gerrard 33m 6. Joe Hart 10m 7. John O'Shea 10m 8. Ledley King 25m 9. Leighton Baines 15m 10. Michael Carrick 14m 11.Terry Butcher 16m 12. Alex Ferguson 10m 13. Sandy Jardine 23m [REMOVED: Gary Pallister]
Raees (-5m) - 288m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m7. Billy McNeill 18m 8. Ray Clemence 10m9.Raich Carter 12m 10. Cliff Jones 10m 11. Peter Lorimer 10m 12. Bob Crompton 13. Paul Reaney 10m
Group C
Skizzo - 300m 1. John Charles 42m, 2. Bobby Moore 52m 3. Neville Southall 15m 4. Paul Ince 26m 5. Gary Neville 30m6. David Beckham 50m 7. Frank Lampard 15m 8. Bobby Lennox 20m9.Ian Wright 10m 10. Tony Dunne 10m 11. Mark Lawrenson 10m 12. Bobby Murdoch 20m
Lynk - 295m(-5m)1. Roy Keane 75m 2. Pat Jennings 30m 3. Billy Meredith 30m 4. Tony Adams 35m 5.John Terry 39m6.Barry 10m 7. Duff 10m 8. Fowler 14m9. Waddle 10m 10. V. Anderson 16m 11. Ivor Allchurch 10m 12. J. Carey 16m
Chesterlestreet - 284m 1. Duncan Edwards 69m,2. Billy Wright 30m, 3. Roger Byrne 27m; 4.Johnny Haynes 30m 5.William R. Dean. 45m 6. W. Woodburn 10m7. Jack Kelsey 10m 8.Pat Crerand 20m 9. Cliff Bastin 12m 10. Alex Jackson 19m 12. Leonard Shackleton 12m
Group D
MJJ - 258m - 1. Bobby Charlton 66m, 2. Bryan Robson 60M, 3. Kenny Dalglish 49m 4. Ray Wilson 10m 5. Harry Gregg 10m 6. Alex Raisbeck 10m 7. Nat Lofthouse 10m 8. Jack Charlton 12m 9. P. Beardsley 10m 10. Lee Dixon 10m 11. Phil Thompson 10m 12. G. Hoddle 10m
Barney - 265m 1. Paul Scholes 67m, 2. Graeme Souness 56m 3. Jimmy Armfield 15m 4. John Greig 17m 5. Ronnie Simpson 10m 6. John Barnes 20m 7. Kevin Keegan 10m 8. Neil Franklin 21m9. Billy Liddell 19m 10. Jimmy McGrory 22m 11. David O' Leary 10m 12. B. Auld 10m 13. Wilf Mannion 10m
EAP - 285m 1. Paul Gascoigne 46m, 2. Norbert P. Stiles 45m, 3. Paul McGrath 45m 4. Michael Owen 16m 5.Liam Brady 49m6. Shay Given 14m 7.George Cohen 12m 8. Wes Brown 10m 9. Tommy Gemmell 12m 10. Sparky Hughes 10m 11. Emlyn Hughes 12m 12. McManaman 14m
Raees (-5m) - 288m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m7. Billy McNeill 18m 8. Ray Clemence 10m9.Raich Carter 12m 10. Cliff Jones 10m 11. Peter Lorimer 10m 12. Bob Crompton 13. Paul Reaney 10m