His G&A’s have been decent this season seeing as he hasn’t seen as much game time as last season
Alejandro Garnacho (out)
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We shouldn't judge a player on moments.
The ones wanting him sold are nuts. We’re Manchester United, we shouldn’t ever be a selling club. If Yoro develops like we think he will, should we sell him if a good offer comes in? Feck that.
He’s matched his output from last season when we were hailing him as the future and it’s only January. I love reading posts saying he has attitude issues because some twitter account said it so we know it must be true. It’s so obvious he has attitude issues the way he was called out, kept his mouth shut and fought his was back into the team. Thats a player with attitude issues that doesn’t have the right mentality isn’t it?
He’s matched his output from last season when we were hailing him as the future and it’s only January. I love reading posts saying he has attitude issues because some twitter account said it so we know it must be true. It’s so obvious he has attitude issues the way he was called out, kept his mouth shut and fought his was back into the team. Thats a player with attitude issues that doesn’t have the right mentality isn’t it?
He's sellable at the right price. No one wants him sold, but if a good offer came he's not indespensable. Well run and recently successful clubs operate this way, like Real Madrid, or Liverpool.
I think the ones who want rid want to upgrade him.
Jedi mind trick initiated on Conte, you don’t want Garnacho as he’s young and inexperienced so you want to use the Kvara money on Rashford who’s played at the highest level for years and just entering his prime.
He's on 13 G&A for the season, he got 15 G&A for the season, like it or not he's clearly got the talent to be here and contribute. If an £80m offer came in for him I'd still consider it but any talk of £50m or below is quite frankly laughable.
He does have talent, and I am not saying I want to sell him, but we have so many players that turn up for a few moments per game. It is the problem we had with Rashford as well for example, that's not how top teams generally operate, thats how weaker ones do.
I see what you're saying, I just think he's more than a moments player, he's inconsistent as feck but you can expect that at his age. But when he's having a good game he's good for 70% of the match, at least in my view, with a few iffy moments rather than just scoring and that being all he does for 90 minutes. For me he's too proactive to be considered a moments player.
At the moment its difficult to tell much, we are unable to keep and move the ball properly so we might be seeing the worst of him. Same for a few of our players, something I am interested in seeing what the manager does to improve.
If we criticise when he deserves it then we must applaud the same way.
Today he worked his a** off on the pitch, he ran and ran and ran some more, tracked back when needed and when it mattered the most he played a simple pass which resulted in an assist and a goal.
If this was the Garnacho before being left out of the squad, he probably would have tried to do it all by himself and lost possession instead.
Credit to him and the manager because both need to believe and work together for the good of the club.
Well done lad, keep this up and you’ll go far! The quality is there, just need that attitude and belief!
Today he worked his a** off on the pitch, he ran and ran and ran some more, tracked back when needed and when it mattered the most he played a simple pass which resulted in an assist and a goal.
If this was the Garnacho before being left out of the squad, he probably would have tried to do it all by himself and lost possession instead.
Credit to him and the manager because both need to believe and work together for the good of the club.
Well done lad, keep this up and you’ll go far! The quality is there, just need that attitude and belief!
It’ll be very disappointing if he’s sold for financial reasons. I still think he’s got a big future ahead of him.
He's not someone we should be hurrying out the door by any means, but if the right offer comes in he could really help with our PSR position and help fund other areas of the squad.
Man City got £80m (65m + 15m add-ons) for Alvarez. As it stands I think Garnacho is probably worth something like £65m (55m + 10m add-ons), which I personally would accept given from a PSR perspective he's pure profit and could enable us to sign (from a PSR perspective) someone like Gyokeres at ST and another starter in the team.
Man City got £80m (65m + 15m add-ons) for Alvarez. As it stands I think Garnacho is probably worth something like £65m (55m + 10m add-ons), which I personally would accept given from a PSR perspective he's pure profit and could enable us to sign (from a PSR perspective) someone like Gyokeres at ST and another starter in the team.
Is it laughable? It's the sort of money Palmer went for and I just don't think he's worth £80m to us, let alone anyone else. £50m is very reasonable for someone who doesn't have a clear place in the side.
Napoli CANNOT sign Rashford in January since YOU all english people voted for Brexit. It's impossible.
Italian clubs can sign ONLY two non-EU players a-season, not more.
There is one single exception though: ONE signed player with either Albanian or British passport can be considered EU, just one.
Napoli this season signed:
- David Neres, brazilian. 1st non-EU slot occupied
- Billy Gilmour, scottish. The additional EU spot for GB/ALB players occupied.
- Scott McTominay, scottish. 2nd and last non-EU slot occupied
Napoli CAN sign Garnacho since he was born in Spain or Bruno Fernandes for example but not the likes of Rashford, Antony, Ugarte, Lisandro, Onana, Maguire, Mount etc.
Sorry for the little OT but for the same reason we, AC Milan, given that this season our two non-EU slots have already been used for Emerson Royal (Braziilian) and Pavlovic (Serbian) then we can only sign only ONE between Rashford or Walker (strong rumour read today about Kyle) using that single slot reserved for albanian/british players.
I think you will find millions of us voted Remain out of concern for the future transfer plans of Italian clubs. So there.
City miss Alvarez I think. As for Garnacho, he plays in a position where we are short of numbers. No point weakening a position to strengthen some other.
As a rule, I would argue that keeping a talent who performs well (for the most part) is much better than taking a gamble on a new player who may or may not work out.
Exactly why it's laughable, Palmer had played barely any first team football at that point, Garnacho has 3 seasons worth and registered something like 38 G&As. Garnacho is clearly worth more than what Palmer was at that point, everyone thought the fee for him was mental at the time, even if he did end up being a good signing.
The feck is this about? Step away from your computer and have a nice deep breath big man.
Didn't say anything offensive I think. I perfectly explained what I meant in the following paragraphs in response to the guy who wanted Napoli to sign Rashford instead of Garnacho.
Napoli can't sign any non-EU player in January due to Serie A rules
He's just upset that message wasn't able to fit on the side of a bus. It is a bit wordy to be fair.
Only because he was trying to break into one of the best sides the prem has ever seen. Garnacho has made over 100 apps for us to get that return and he's not really improved a great deal. £80m just seems like a massive overvaluation that his progress will be linear and I'm not so sure it will be and he will ever be the player we need him to be.
It’s probably a similar notion to McT - has performed at good levels compared to the salary they were on, so they are one of the more saleable assets we have. I agree with you though, but sadly if we need to raise cash, he might be “sacrificed” even with his immense potential
I dont have an issue with Garnacho per se. But he is one of the only sellable assets the club has. Is he good enough to hold down a 1st 11 spot right now? No. If we can cash in and get someone that slots in and can create and score. I dont mind.
I think we'd be mad to sell him unless you can get silly money for him. £100m type offer.
Exactly what I was thinking. If he is sold for financial reasons then it's clear that we are going nowhere.
If Amorim wants him out then it's another discussion.
This guy has what it takes to be a huge star. No way we should be getting rid of him at this stage in his career
He also seems to look for the pass rather than shooting now.
There’s a very good player in him. He has talent (and the frustration for us fans that comes with it) and stats that no other 21yo player has in Europe bar Yamal and perhaps Nico Williams. This season, he has exactly the same output as Anthony Gordon for instance (who would hardly be sold for £50m)
We definitely get the shitty end of that stick. Pass.
This is not how to view academy players. We want to be the best on the football field, not the best on the balance sheet.
We should be replacing players who clearly aren’t good enough, not selling our better players because a squad will be limited by its worst players not its best. We can’t be selling the likes of Garna and Kobbie only to leave Antony etc at the club.
I think his start yesterday was a sign that he’s firmly in Amorims plans and he’s staying.
Doesn't really matter why he hadn't made that many appearances, I think people are really underrating the value we could extract from someone like Garnacho. £80m is over valued mainly because it should take a ridiculous fee to warrant selling him as he's a very talented player with a very high ceiling whose numbers have improved season by season, but £50m would be an absolute joke.
Clubs always have to assume progress is linear when signing / selling young talents, and Garnacho has definitely improved since he made his debut.
Shouldn't have wanted PSR then.
Remember those days when we claim PSR is good because it'll made us strong financially while curbing the sugar clubs?
He's going nowhere. If anyone can unlock his full potential it's Ruben. Let him cook.
I'd reluctantly sell for £60 million because it would allow us to sign 3/4 players more suited to Amorim's system without being punished by PSR.
This is the price the club has to pay for more than a decade of poor signings and contracts.
This is the price the club has to pay for more than a decade of poor signings and contracts.
Real Madrid sell players. Bayern Munich sell players. There's nothing wrong with selling a player if there's a good deal to be made. It doesn't make you a ''selling club'' in the vein of Dortmund or Brighton.
This guy is good, but not great. He's likely to be very good but never great. And if it makes sense to move on from him to strengthen either the team or the club's financials then, as long as it doesn't weaken the team (and this is key) it's the right move to make.
The main calculation is how does selling him weaken us, and how can that be remedied with either the money gained or the freed up slot now available to others in the squad (or both).
It would have made us very strong financially if we'd manage to not spend £215m on Antony, Mount and Casemiro in the space of 1 year. And also spending £100m on Hojlund and Zirkzee instead of a top PL striker.
If PSR had been around 10 years ago it would have been even better, because players like Rashford, Lingard, McTominay etc would have been sold for relatively big fees rather than given indefinite leave to stay in the United squad and holding our football back.
Just on the Mount, Casemiro, Antony thing, in amortisation terms they cost us just shy of £50m a year. And cost us about £40m a year in wages. So £90m per year expenditure (~15% of the clubs income) on 3 players and the only return we have on that is Casemiro playing well in his first season here. Selling any of them to make any money back is impossible.
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You are living in the past. United aren't a top club anymore, and with PSR in mind, selling becomes integral. Entitlement and arrogance like that are unbecoming and just don't work.
No one is untouchable, that's how it should be. But he is young, promising and hungry. I'd consider selling him for £70M+ but in the summer. Anyone offering less than that can get fecked, though. There's the danger of using that money to replace him with another Mount, however.