In todays market he could only go for over 65m as a bare minimum. I wouldn’t be rushing to sell him, I know we’re in a tough spot with PSR, but still, we can’t have teams taking the piss.
Alejandro Garnacho (out)
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Letting him go below £50m will be worse than paying £86m for Antony. They need a forward as they are losing a really good player and still competing for the title. Good luck signing another attacker in January.
I'm not talking strictly about PSR, cashflow is also an issue.
Clubs know we are up shits creek financially and making offers to reflect that.
Exactly, if we need players in January we have an even greater need to sell.
It’s not PSR at fault, it’s the owners and management of the club over the last 12 years.
This is only an excuse that fans use... its more copium by fans.
Chelsea were bad but they sold Mount and Havertz for big money.
There are other clubs as well and they have sold for big money.
The fact is, if we sell him for 38m we will need to spend 60m to replace, so its not worth it.
No one is suggesting that we will sell for 38 Million...
We would absolutely not need to spend 60 million to replace Garnacho
Amen to this!! We are not getting any half decent player for 38m in this market. Rather let Garnacho grow as a number 10 at that price, he is still producing goals and assists at the club
No one is suggesting that we will sell for 38 Million...
We would absolutely not need to spend 60 million to replace Garnacho
I dont know what is funny, considering the fact that Garnacho is our only real pacey winger... unless you think that we can sign a starting LAM for 20m.
You've taken something I said and acted like I said something completely different. Where exactly did I say we could get a starting player for £20 million, I'll wait...
He wouldn't be anywhere near as hard to replace as you are making out. He isn't that fecking good, christ
He's literally a squad player at the moment.
I think it would be a mistake to sell him. Hes only 20 and has shown great ability, and defintiely gets far too much stick despite some limtiations that remain. There aren't many 20 year olds in the world as good in my opinion, and I think he could emerge as a top player. Dont fully buy the system argument either, a quality player this young can be coached into anything. I can see why our heads might be turned but would be an enormous risk.
For some context- Eddie Nketiah went for 30m. Smith Rowe 34m. Ian Maatsen 38m. Fabio bloody Carvalho 27.5m. Not even worth considering an offer below 70
For some context- Eddie Nketiah went for 30m. Smith Rowe 34m. Ian Maatsen 38m. Fabio bloody Carvalho 27.5m. Not even worth considering an offer below 70
If he wants to leave then we should let him providing we get a good fee for him. I reckon £60-65m would be the base value as a figure to seriously consider. There’s no guarantee he’s going to fulfill that potential. I get the feeling he’s not a long term stayer here if he ended up being really good a la his idol Ronaldo and think the moment Real or Barcelona start to look at him, he will jump and in this current era, they’re going to quietly instruct him to run his contract down and leave on a free or force us to sell him at a third of his actual price with 12 months left.
I think that's fine but I don't really think we have the time to wait and see if he turns out to be useful of not, same with Hojlund. The team needs players who are going to be come in and perform now, with reliability.
I think people overplay how good he is because there just hasn't been much to be excited about recently and he is suffering from that and also the fact that he is relied on way too much.
In no way should be be starting for us right now. He is 20 and needs to play football and if he's not really going to get enough time here he should go elsewhere.
As said still perplexed why many have chosen him as the hill to die on in terms of not being transferable. Garnacho is within the same age bracket as the likes of Bellingham, Palmer, Williams, Yamal and Musiala but of distinctly lower quality in ability.
If United had any of those individuals then the outrage at the prospect of selling them would be easy to comprehend. 50+ million is good business.
If United had any of those individuals then the outrage at the prospect of selling them would be easy to comprehend. 50+ million is good business.
Unless an offer -- offer, not a final number -- comes in close to 90m I would strongly oppose even returning the phone call.
Sorry but that is quite a bit more than he is worth. That's a laughable amount.
Look at how much the club would be willing to accept for him and how much teams are willing to pay, that should tell you all you need to know about his worth.
They can feck off with that. I'd start at £70m and go up. You'd have to spend a shit load more than 38m to get a like for like player from anyone else.
The lad is worth as much as clubs are willing to pay. In this case, it looks around 50-60m.
You've taken something I said and acted like I said something completely different. Where exactly did I say we could get a starting player for £20 million, I'll wait...
He wouldn't be anywhere near as hard to replace as you are making out. He isn't that fecking good, christ
He's literally a squad player at the moment.
He's literally 20 at the moment.
But you overlook a critical fact -- a player's worth is an assessment of his future, not his present. Presently, Garnacho is an outstanding 20 year old footballer and unless you believe he has no future in football it would be negligent to give him away for 50-60m. It's unknown whether he'll ever be the footballer he clearly has the potential to be or become the next Januzaj, but I wouldn't bet on him becoming the next Januzaj.
But to be fair to your criticism, I did have it wrong. No one is going to offer 90m. They'll bid a lower amount that we will drive up, not down of course. A reasonable landing price for Garnacho right now is around 60-70m. Anything less than that is essentially just getting rid of him, which would be bad club management. As much as he's been associated with Rashford as a cancer in the squad, Alejandro is no cancer.
Which only strengthens my point about him being replaceable.He's literally 20 at the moment.
You've taken something I said and acted like I said something completely different. Where exactly did I say we could get a starting player for £20 million, I'll wait...
He wouldn't be anywhere near as hard to replace as you are making out. He isn't that fecking good, christ
He's literally a squad player at the moment.
If you have a look at how many minutes Garnacho has played over the last 12-18 months, you will see what a squad player or first team player is.
Also.. people mention squad players as if they will never get to play, most squad players are very important and play approx 30/40 games a season.
When you build a squad... for example our number 10's, you would want 4 to fill 2 positions... they would all be classified as first team players.
I am not talking about how good or bad he is.. someone like Antony is a squad player.
In which case, keep him around. His contract isn't expiring anytime soon. We can raise funds by selling other players who clubs are willing to pay what we're willing to accept.
I don't think he's particularly brilliant but he does have pace and offers a goal threat. I feel like we lack both so it would need to be a better offer than that and we would have to have a really good idea on how we were going to use the money to improve our attack.
I feel like the minutes played under ETH are almost irrelevant now. Ruben has different ideas and demands from the players.
You are welcome to disagree that's fine I just don't think he's all that good and certainly wouldn't be worried about selling him.
I'm also not desperate for him to go like some others (Rashford) Not too fussed either way.
I agree. Not sure me or anyone else argued to use this 60 million to sign 3 players. But what it can do is to replace a 60 million with another 60 million and make a profit for PSR for this year.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't want to see Garnacho sold regardless of PSR outcomes.
This somehow keeps being forgotten. It's not just about PSR right now, but also in future years. Besides PSR, the money has to come from somewhere
I respectfully disagree. I think he's shown real talent and believe he will move eventually, but think if he stays here his value will only go up. Im always cautious of getting over excited about young players, weve had plenty of false alarms - but I think Garnacho has brilliant ability and think his critics are excessive in the extreme.
From a purely squad management pov there are several players we should be shifting first.
Would you say the same about Yoro getting into the team either now or get rid? No, its absolutely sensible to have a core of younger players mixed with older ones and Id be very confident yoro, mainoo and garnacho are all more than good enough to make it here
The bottom line is partly the reason why I think £38m is too little. Rashford is not going to get high transfer fee. We have players in that area like Rashford, Antony who need to go, which is why then if Garnacho goes, we need to spend bigger to get another player in.
Its not just because of Garnacho's quality. At the moment, our forward options are poor. Forgetting Hojlund and Zirkzee as they are the 9 options, in the 10, we have Amad, Bruno, Antony, Rashford, Garnacho, Mount.
Rashford looks like loan, Antony is rubbish, Mount is never fit. So we are left with 3, if Garnacho goes, we need a first team player in those positions.
My preference would be to sell Rashford and Antony for combined 40m and then get someone in.
Why are you comparing him to Yoro?
Garnacho was bought for virtually nothing and has played 100+ games in the first team.
Yoro was bought in for big money and has just joined the club.
I think Garnacho is pretty brainless and one-dimensional. If you disagree then fine, no big deal. Not really looking to have an argument over it. I've said my bit.
I disagree with this notion that we need to 'spend bigger' to replace.
What we need to be is smarter in the market. There is value to be had in the market you just have to find it.
We need to move away from trying to buy 'established' players. Instead taking the punt on players at the right moment so you don't pay that premium on them.
Garnacho wont be going anywhere this window.
There are many ahead of him in the queue for the exit: Rashford, Anthony, Malacia, Casemiro, Erikson
There are many ahead of him in the queue for the exit: Rashford, Anthony, Malacia, Casemiro, Erikson
I'd take 80 million for him just to strengthen other areas.
It would make us a bit light if Marcus leaves though.
Amad and Bruno can occupy the positions behind the striker we need a second option for both.
Garnacho would of course be ok to stay but I don't think he's going to make us an elite club again personally.
It would make us a bit light if Marcus leaves though.
Amad and Bruno can occupy the positions behind the striker we need a second option for both.
Garnacho would of course be ok to stay but I don't think he's going to make us an elite club again personally.
60 million pure profit could transform what we can do in the transfer market.
I agree with that we dont need to spend big.
However; unless you get older players or ones they are on a free, when Manutd come knocking for an attacking player, more often than not, the minimum price will be 40m.
At the cost of facing the very same issues a few years down the line
We dont have to sell Garnacho
Rashford(30)/Antony(15)/Casemiro(25,Saudi)/Zirkzee(35)/Malacia(15)/Sancho(25)=+145
Victor(60)/Mbeumo(40)/Ederson or Luiz (40)/ Nuno Mendez(40)=-160M
with just 15M net spend, we can fix this team and start winning lot of games
--------------------------------Victor/Rasmus-----------------------
------Mbeumo/Mount------------------------------Amad/Garnacho---------
--Mendes/Leon----------Bruno/Mainoo---------Ugarte/Ederson------Maz/Dalot-----
------------------Licha/Shaw----Maguire/Deligt------Yoro---------------------------------------
Maz can cover RCB/RWB but we can add another defender/RWB later if we have money!
Rashford(30)/Antony(15)/Casemiro(25,Saudi)/Zirkzee(35)/Malacia(15)/Sancho(25)=+145
Victor(60)/Mbeumo(40)/Ederson or Luiz (40)/ Nuno Mendez(40)=-160M
with just 15M net spend, we can fix this team and start winning lot of games
--------------------------------Victor/Rasmus-----------------------
------Mbeumo/Mount------------------------------Amad/Garnacho---------
--Mendes/Leon----------Bruno/Mainoo---------Ugarte/Ederson------Maz/Dalot-----
------------------Licha/Shaw----Maguire/Deligt------Yoro---------------------------------------
Maz can cover RCB/RWB but we can add another defender/RWB later if we have money!
How is this possible?!?!? Did you seriously manage to go from the Glazers to even worse owners?!?!?!
I m not against selling him, but cmon they just sold their best player. At least 50+ should be the minimum.