Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?

noodlehair said:
There was a clan of people on here who thought Hargreaves was some kind of midfield god. I'm not sure what this was based on...from memory I think it was because he played against AC Milan once, and because we paid loads of money for him therefor he must be really really good.

He was one of the most average midfield players I've seen in a United shirt, excluding the wraft of midfield players who weren't actually midfield players.

He was s average Villa could have signed him and no one would have noticed.
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Noodle that's horseshit. Hargreaves was not 'Villa level' when he was fully fit. He was a good player who'd have done an excellent job for us and would've made a good partnership with Carrick.

Problem was he had shit tendons. Even in that one season he played I reckon he wasnt 100%.
 
noodlehair said:
I'm not sure what this was based on...from memory I think it was because he played against AC Milan once, and because we paid loads of money for him therefor he must be really really good.
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It was his curls, man.
 
noodlehair said:
His injury problems are just a myth though sinch, according to the Hargreaves enforcers.

Remember when he appeared against Wolves looking like some kind of cave man, managed to get injured by being hit on the foot by the football, and then disappeared back into his cave again? That was genuinely the highlight of his last 3 years at the club.

What a signing
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It was a very poor decision to even consider signing him. You could just tell that Bayern were laughing at us.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Noodle that's horseshit. Hargreaves was not 'Villa level' when he was fully fit. He was a good player who'd have done an excellent job for us and would've made a good partnership with Carrick.

Problem was he had shit tendons. Even in that one season he played I reckon he wasnt 100%.
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With respect he built his reputation on one England game. I'm slightly exaggerating, mind. Seriously though he was hardly United quality.
 
I bet Levy had a good chuckle to himself when we went over 30m for Berbs as well. fecking hell.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Noodle that's horseshit. Hargreaves was not 'Villa level' when he was fully fit. He was a good player who'd have done an excellent job for us and would've made a good partnership with Carrick.

Problem was he had shit tendons. Even in that one season he played I reckon he wasnt 100%.
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He was average. Another Parker/Barry style player who'd run around chasing after the part of the pitch he should have already been stood in, and who couldn't do anything on the ball without having about 5 unecessary touches first (which in his case usually involved running around excitedly in a big pointless circle).

I've heard the "he was never fully fit" argument before. How do you know how good he was when fully fit if he was apparently never fully fit?

The only time I thought he looked the part for us was when he was shoved out on the wing after Fergie realised other people were better at being midfielders than him.
 
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"So ve said 'Seventeen million pounts", as you know, a yoke... and zey said Ja!!"
"Pfffff..."
 
sincher said:
It was a very poor decision to even consider signing him. You could just tell that Bayern were laughing at us.
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What was funny (not funny) was that they held out for a year, and then we still came back.

I seem to remember at one point we were going to sign Senna as some kind of cheap make shift Hargreaves, because we couldn't get the real one. This alone proves that all of football is completely dumb.


Sultan said:
It was his curls, man.
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Well, they did help us win the European cup. I reckon UEFA would have even let each locke of his hair take a penalty each.
 
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They paid 17 million for HARGREAVES!!? No, you mess with me, I urinate.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Noodle that's horseshit. Hargreaves was not 'Villa level' when he was fully fit. He was a good player who'd have done an excellent job for us and would've made a good partnership with Carrick.

Problem was he had shit tendons. Even in that one season he played I reckon he wasnt 100%.
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This.
 
noodlehair said:
The only time I thought he looked the part for us was when he was shoved out on the wing after Fergie realised other people were better at being midfielders than him.
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Think it was more to do with the fact that Hargreaves was fairly mobile and could keep things out wide tight and protect the RB, like Park for the other side.. SAF plays Rooney and Welbz on the wing, guess they are average forwards as well. Valencia and Fletcher in RB, O'shea up front, midfield, goal. Depends on the tactics.

Truth is with Hargreaves he simply never had enough games and consistent game time for us to see how good or not he was.
 
Bayern coned us with Hargreaves is one of the reason why Fergie came out with "typical Germans" quote. Allegedly.
 
noodlehair said:
There was a clan of people on here who thought Hargreaves was some kind of midfield god. I'm not sure what this was based on...from memory I think it was because he played against AC Milan once, and because we paid loads of money for him therefor he must be really really good.

He was one of the most average midfield players I've seen in a United shirt, excluding the wraft of midfield players who weren't actually midfield players.

He was s average Villa could have signed him and no one would have noticed.
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Strange post. Have you completely forgot the CL-final in Moscow when he worked his socks off to cover ground in both defense, midfield and at our right wing, on top of that he was cool as ice in the penalty shoot out. That game alone justified every penny we paid for him. And btw he was a very good player when he was fit. I wouldn't mind to have him in our midfield this season.
 
I used to think he struggled a bit with his motivation. Once we won a few things he seemed to just cruise along a bit, certainly at the start of a few seasons.
 
Well... we did win the EC with him playing in the final

So , 17M for that is worth it, hindsight is always a wonderful thing, but we won what needs to be won that year, so no complain, it could have been different
 
Sky1981 said:
Well... we did win the EC with him playing in the final

So , 17M for that is worth it, hindsight is always a wonderful thing, but we won what needs to be won that year, so no complain, it could have been different
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£17m for one successful year added to the cost of the rest of that squad doesn't deliver value to me. Had he given us 3 years service..perhaps around 100 games, you can take some value from that.

Are we going to take RVP as a top signing if we win the lot this year and he requires a sicknote for the next 3? I certainly won't.

Look at Carrick, at the time of signing the package £18m deal was extravagant but he's paid it off with his consistency and success.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
£17m for one successful year added to the cost of the rest of that squad doesn't deliver value to me. Had he given us 3 years service..perhaps around 100 games, you can take some value from that.

Are we going to take RVP as a top signing if we win the lot this year and he requires a sicknote for the next 3? I certainly won't.

Look at Carrick, at the time of signing the package £18m deal was extravagant but he's paid it off with his consistency and success.
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So you're saying, if RVP helps deliver us the treble (not just the achievement, but also consider the associated prize-money/income from merchandising/marketing), and thats it... he won't have been worth it?

Thats pretty mental.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
So you're saying, if RVP helps deliver us the treble (not just the achievement, but also consider the associated prize-money/income from merchandising/marketing), and thats it... he won't have been worth it?

Thats pretty mental.
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1 year service and nothing afterwards and he is worth it ala Hargreaves? Considering he is our talisman to use footballing terms, meaning success like that may not be repeated in due course. Then imagine 3 years (using the Hargreaves example) of wages being spent on a player doing nothing but being injured and that's value? I must've forgotten when the Glazers started shitting money and putting it into the club.

*obviously a hypothetical scenario.
 
Is it pick on Owen Hargreaves day today?

Some of you lot are being extremely harsh on him with your criticism. He clearly never reached his top level with us due to being hampered by injuries.

Yeah, the gamble of signing him never paid off, but he's not half as bad at football as being made out in this thread.
 
Its not really a fair comparison to be fair, RVP is far more important to us this season than Hargreaves was in 07-08. Hargreaves' contribution that season was pretty modest. Whereas RVP is the man this season.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
1 year service and nothing afterwards and he is worth it ala Hargreaves? Considering he is our talisman to use footballing terms, meaning success like that may not be repeated in due course. Then imagine 3 years (using the Hargreaves example) of wages being spent on a player doing nothing but being injured and that's value? I must've forgotten when the Glazers started shitting money and putting it into the club.

*obviously a hypothetical scenario.
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If you want to talk about it from simply a monetary stand point. Considering United still make money off the original Treble today, then the club would make back that money and then some. I think you're underestimating just how much can be made off the back of success like a Treble, and thats immediately disregarding the amount of prize money that is also involved.

In terms of simply from a fans perspective of "holy feck, we've won the lot and we probably couldn't have done it without RVP, I feel fan-fecking-tastic and I will never forget this for the rest of my life" ... well, the point is moot.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
£17m for one successful year added to the cost of the rest of that squad doesn't deliver value to me. Had he given us 3 years service..perhaps around 100 games, you can take some value from that.

Are we going to take RVP as a top signing if we win the lot this year and he requires a sicknote for the next 3? I certainly won't.

Look at Carrick, at the time of signing the package £18m deal was extravagant but he's paid it off with his consistency and success.
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I agree, the likes of Carrick, Rio and Rooney were at the time huge deals - but they have delivered value and quality over a long period.
However, I'd like to argue that if Hargreaves guaranteed us winning The European Double in 2008 then it would have been great value, even if he just played that one season. But, obviously that is not possible to determine.
 
My point is simply , we won it with him, we might / might not win it without him, who knows what would have happened , he might have made a small interception that eventually would have led to chelsea scoring, etc.

Nobody claim he's a value buying off course, but given the actual circumstances, I don't think we're gonna be regretting it too much, since we did won it at the end of the day
 
Hargreaves was a good player. Remember when he and Anderson destroyed Liverpool's midfield containing Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard? And the free-kick he scored to beat Arsenal?

He just got injured a lot, unfortunately. If it weren't for that, I think him and Carrick would be making up our midfield right now.
 
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