Adama Traore

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If this guy can improve, or better yet get any sense of some sort of decision making, he'll be one helluva right wing.
 
I think footballing IQ is something you either have or you don't have. Hard to train that. I could be wrong on that.
 
I think footballing IQ is something you either have or you don't have. Hard to train that. I could be wrong on that.
I agree, but also think it can be trained to you from a young age. If you're coached for 10 years growing up about when to make a pass and when not to make a pass etc it should be nicely ingrained in you by the time you make it as a pro.
 
I agree, but also think it can be trained to you from a young age. If you're coached for 10 years growing up about when to make a pass and when not to make a pass etc it should be nicely ingrained in you by the time you make it as a pro.

He came through the same academy as Messi, Xavi, Inesta etc, I think he's missed the decision making boat.
 
He came through the same academy as Messi, Xavi, Inesta etc, I think he's missed the decision making boat.

Not at all. He's simply suffered from improper development by this board that has opted to loan out this work rather than do it themselves (Deulofeu, Samper, Adama, Halilovic, Sandro, Munir, Grimaldo). Club has lost its way in terms of the cantera
 
Not at all. He's simply suffered from improper development by this board that has opted to loan out this work rather than do it themselves (Deulofeu, Samper, Adama, Halilovic, Sandro, Munir, Grimaldo). Club has lost its way in terms of the cantera

He was at Barcelona for 11 years? Fair to say a footballing brain tends to develop from 8-19 years of age, obviously not finished, but you can't blame the board for loaning a player out to get some real game experience, since leaving Barca he's shown great dribbling ability, but has yet to improve his decision making it his final ball.

If he showed any kind of indication he'd improve as expected he'd still be at Barcelona, not one relegation candidate after another.

Hopefully he does learn because his strength and ability on the ball is really quite aesthetically pleasing!
 
He was at Barcelona for 11 years? Fair to say a footballing brain tends to develop from 8-19 years of age, obviously not finished, but you can't blame the board for loaning a player out to get some real game experience, since leaving Barca he's shown great dribbling ability, but has yet to improve his decision making it his final ball.

If he showed any kind of indication he'd improve as expected he'd still be at Barcelona, not one relegation candidate after another.

Hopefully he does learn because his strength and ability on the ball is really quite aesthetically pleasing!

It's a long answer I won't bore those here with but you are missing several key criteria behind why the board of Rosell/Bartomeu is to blame for not only Adama but most of the failures of La Masia during their reign - Firing of heads of La Masia (Alexanko & Benaiges), hiring of Eusebio who ended up seeing the B team relegated (Same team that Adama & others were utterly wasted on), FIFA ban and most crucially only Sergi Roberto (First promoted by Pep) has been integrated in the first team by this board over 7 years.

This same Adama whom you've recycled the conclusion about being braindead is the same key player that saw Barcelona win the UEFA Youth League championship in 2014, it's a lazy conclusion. All of these youth players from Bellerin to Thiago were 'lost' during this board and all remark about not feeling valued or looked after - contrary to what the stars of Barcelona who came through La Masia say. The difference? The board
 
All well and good, but it doesn't really change that his biggest problem is decision-making, that is, football IQ. And you can blame the board and coaches, but at the end of the day, if it's that bad it means he wasn't actually that talented in the first place. Youth level says nothing, a player with his physical attributes is going to dominate at that level regardless of talent
 
@FCBarca i just don't see how you can blame the board for a players lack of footballing brain, it's a much simpler way if explaining the reason behind why he's not developed the most important part of his game, he's just not very good, I'm sure La Masia are still full of the same world class coaches that coached your golden generation, just the players ain't the same.

You don't see United fans blame our board for our academies failure to constantly produce a class of '92 every year.
 
All well and good, but it doesn't really change that his biggest problem is decision-making, that is, football IQ. And you can blame the board and coaches, but at the end of the day, if it's that bad it means he wasn't actually that talented in the first place. Youth level says nothing, a player with his physical attributes is going to dominate at that level regardless of talent

Sure it does, no offense to you but the current board has applied the same 'development' logic as your club - farming them out once they reach a certain age. Partly due to the fact that the coaching is lacking and partly because the footballing ideology or playing style is not consistent. So sure, a player like Adama who has been taught to play a certain way thrown into a poor Aston Villa or defensive side like Middlesborough is going to look like he doesn't know what he is doing because he's never played this way before.

If Barcelona applied this approach then none of the current squad would have ever developed fully at the club from Xavi & Iniesta down to even Messi
 
@FCBarca i just don't see how you can blame the board for a players lack of footballing brain, it's a much simpler way if explaining the reason behind why he's not developed the most important part of his game, he's just not very good, I'm sure La Masia are still full of the same world class coaches that coached your golden generation, just the players ain't the same.

You don't see United fans blame our board for our academies failure to constantly produce a class of '92 every year.

Our clubs do not share similar footballing approaches in the academy setup so its never going to be apples to apples
 
Our clubs do not share similar footballing approaches in the academy setup so its never going to be apples to apples

No, but an academy can't always produce gold, every clubs academy has a lull in player production, it's just the way it goes!

Seems we'll have to agree to disagree on this. :D
 
I think footballing IQ is something you either have or you don't have. Hard to train that. I could be wrong on that.

Ofc he can't be taught to be Messi, but a pass instead of another dribble here and there, with the pinch of crossing is all he needs.
 
If what @FCBarca was saying was true then we'd never see good players come from smaller clubs or clubs that aren't recognised for world class youth coaching. But we do.

It's like he thinks Barca have some god given right to just churn out world class players. Unfortunately this doesn't happen anywhere in reality and often the players that don't hit the heights just don't have it in them to do so. No need to blame everyone else or try to create theories as to why.
 
So sure, a player like Adama who has been taught to play a certain way thrown into a poor Aston Villa or defensive side like Middlesborough is going to look like he doesn't know what he is doing because he's never played this way before.
If he works within that specific setup because he's learned what to do by memory, that still means he isn't that talented. Just that in the right set-up his limitations can be masked to an extent. Look at Tello, or Cuenca. Or Deulofeu and Munir.

Fact of the matter is what happened with iniesta, messi, fabregas, busquets, pique and pedro was a one-off situation. Normally, great academies would produce a puyol, a xavi, a iniesta, a thiago and a pedro over a span of 15 years

If Barcelona applied this approach then none of the current squad would have ever developed fully at the club from Xavi & Iniesta down to even Messi
And it wouldn't have changed anything. Xavi and Iniesta would have been world class players no matter where they grew up(and xavi was a regular in the first team by the age of 18. He was getting serious minutes right away). Iniesta likewise was getting serious minutes by the age of 20

Messi was born one of the greatest footballers ever, period.

Adama is 21, Luis Enrique had him for two years and choose munir and sandro over him
 
No new transfer news and an old thread, locking this.

Make a thread in the football forum if y'all wanna chat about him.
 
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