Yeah, Sterling. And Greizmann.
Blah.
Tielemans is also a huge fan and has openly flirted with us numerous times.
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Yeah, Sterling. And Greizmann.
Blah.
Tielemans is also a huge fan and has openly flirted with us numerous times.
If Cancelo is not one of but the best right back around then why is Juventus supposedly willing to let him leave one year into a five year contract? Possible FFP trouble? I read the rumor about a fallout with Allegri over his apparent/alleged 'relaxed' conduct in training that led to some Juventus fans branding him lazy but that shouldn't be an issue now that Allegri's gone should it? I have serie A on my ESPN cable subscription and I regret not watching Juventus more so i've never really noticed him. I can only go by the stats on my end, which show that he has the same number of assists (3) in serie A that AWB has in the PL. From the little i've read on the Juventus forum and their Reddit page, it appears Cancelo had a mixed season. They agree he's been bad since he had surgery, which was about five months, and he was pretty good before that. The bad involves errors in play. These posts on the Juventuz forum sums up the rest, as far as the negative aspects Juve fans mention a lot:
I want him to stay, but this bafflement and outrage over him possibly leaving is honestly confusing.
He has been pretty bad ever since his surgery, that's 5 months now, more than he's been good. Other players get called out for much less.
He has been one of the main culprits for eliminations in the Coppa and CL. I don't think Ajax score if he doesn't give them that goal. And overall on the season he's made almost as many errors leading to goals as Bonucci did.
We overpaid for Cancelo hoping that he could become great. He still might. Did he play like a 40 million fullback this season? No, not at all. Seeing what we've seen of him here and at Inter, two seasons now, would you sign Cancelo for 40m? that's a no from me.
If a team comes with such a bid it makes all the sense in the world to consider it. Keeping him or selling him are reasonable options as he has not been great, but he has some potential, it can swing both ways. Don't see the reason for outrage/
The guy can cross, we need that. But we don't need his brainfarts at the back. Should be backup in defense, nothing more there. In offense, he can be a force for sure, but he and Max need to be on the same page and it looks like they aren't. If that is an issue, then Max will win 99 times out of 100.
I like him a lot and his lack of defensive skills can be solved. Look at someone like Kimmich or Marcelo, they couldn't defend but learned that over time.
If it was De Sciglio or Khedira or someone like that we wouldn't hear the end of it. He needs to get his shit together.
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/joão-cancelo.43638/page-52
Of course there's also a lot of glowing praise on there for him as well, but these posts, of which there are many other similar examples of, tell me that he's much better at attacking than he is at actual defending, so not really balanced at all. We have a good attacking RB in Dalot who along with the solid at the back AWB could provide us service for several seasons. I do need to watch Cancelo more. Are you aware of the rumor that Ronaldo got the Portuguese coach to bench him for their last two nations league games? Its unrelated and probably nothing. Just came across it.
I'll take your word for it that he's more than decent on the ball, a 'weapon' going forward and all that (or is that Alba?), but the numbers can and should be better for someone you and others rate so highly and consider the best RB. He's also 25, same age as Andrew Roberton who has the numbers to match the praise he gets for his attacking prowess. I also think its disingenuous to compare AWB to Young in this manner, because i've seen him link up pretty well with Zaha, he's nothing like Young and he doesn't rely on such balls to find players. Alba is 30 and content at Barca, I don't see him as a realistic target and I don't think we should buy a leftback for the RB position. Ive heard good things about Aarons and even Reece James, but it appears AWB probably fits the profile of RB Ole wants, and his PL experience and his overall performance last season works in his favor. I can't say i've really noticed Perreria of Leicester, so you may be on to something.
Not sure why you posted that in this thread?
So much money in the Premier that clubs like Palace don't need to sell anymore so they can demand top dollar.
@Loublaze I do not think he was saying the club should buy Alba I think he was saying he wanted the club to buy a RB who brings similar qualities to what Alba brings to Barca at the LB position. And Ricardo Perreria is fantastic but, he will probably cost more than Wan-Bissaka does if available at all.
Gotcha. Does Cancelo have similar qualities in your opinion? If not who does? There are fresh links to PSG and Barcelona for Perreira. I looked him up after @Rozay mentioned him and now im getting stories about him on my feeds!
I can feel this one is gonna happen. I'll be incredibly relieved to know we have an actual decent RB going into next season, even if I'm a little unsure he's exactly what's needed.
Always a good sign when a mass briefing goes out saying we had one offer rejected and that X amount must be met. To me that suggests it's almost done.
Does seem like this will eventually happen despite Palace’s posturing. We’ll probably settle in the middle. Maybe £50m plus bonuses.
don't even think it's posturing. I think Palace is briefing to soften the blow.
"hey look we rejected X amount before we got even more for him"
Yeah this has happened with a few transfers we've completed. Happened with Pogba and with Lindelof I believe.
Liverpool have the pair of two best attacking fullbacks in the world. That took them to a Champions League trophy just recently.
This. I don't understand the sudden clamor for defensive fullbacks. Valencia most of the time was defensively very solid but was ridiculed for his attacking output but most fans are suddenly happy to spend 60m on a defensive fullback who has had one good season. I still hope we wait another year before going after Wan Bissaka.
Because our current option is Ashley Young and our defense has been atrocious as a unit. I'll gladly take a player who can do something useful when our current starter is someone who is literally one of the worst in the premier league at every facet of being a RB. Plus he's young, who says he can't learn to be a viable option going forward? He certainly has the attributes for it.
Colo, Colo Colo, Colo Colo, Colo Nicolo-lo......, Schira, Schira, Schira...
I would sign Wan Bissaka only if we get a top RW because if we play diamond formation, we would need attacking fullbacks to provide width.
Dalot?
I don't know why we gave up from Dalot. He is nearly same age as WB. And far more technically skilled than him. Sure, he lacks quality in defence but he can learn that. It is much easier to learn playing defence than attack.
I dont think we have given up on him but AWB is already playing week in week out and is a lot more ready.
I like the idea of going for -
Sessegnon & Shaw
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Dalot & Wan Bissaka
That is an attacking pair able to play wingbacks aswell as 2 defensive minded fullbacks. They can work on improving their weaknesses. Dalot & Sessegnon can act as back up for wingers too. I don't think sessegnon would be expensive after his mediocre season.
Sessegnon & Shaw
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Dalot & Wan Bissaka
That is an attacking pair able to play wingbacks aswell as 2 defensive minded fullbacks. They can work on improving their weaknesses. Dalot & Sessegnon can act as back up for wingers too. I don't think sessegnon would be expensive after his mediocre season.
60m is too much for "do something usefull"
And both of them are very good when attacking and defending.
Yeah, it's weird. People slaughtered Valencia for drilling the ball into the first man and the backwards passing -a guy who gave his all for the club- but will also defend AWB and downplay his limitations going forward when he doesn't even play for United.
Dalot still needs another 2 years to be properly ready to start every game IMO. He had barely played for Porto before we signed him, so he doesn't have a lot of experience in first team football yet.
We could buy Meunier to man the RB spot for a couple of seasons at least while we see if AWB or Dalot kick on AND Tierney to compete with and/or oust Shaw for not much more than the ridiculous nonsense of a fee being touted for AWB.
I... I’m... just... FECK.
I... I’m... just... FECK.
AWBs ‘limitations’ going forward are an overblown fan myth originated from people who haven’t watched him enough.
People are also understating what he would give our defence which leaked goals galore last season and has major instability. This guy will lock down the RB for the next 10 years
Agreed. He’s not a regular starter for me.
If a player like AWB is gettable then go get him
Robertson has always been very good going forward even in his Hull days.
I mean, it could be an issue. But he is only 21 after all. Naturally we'd all love Dani Alves at right back tearing defences apart but the only attacking RB I hear mentioned in Munier who is nowhere near a top class fullback and deemed surplus by PSG. And given AWB's age, and the fact that he appears to have a good enough touch, people are hopeful that he may develop into a more complete fullback over time.
Like I said, it could be an issue in challenging for the topmost honours but given the market and our current predicament, he does appear to be a very good option.
There are plenty of more attacking options out there when it comes to fullbacks. AWB is obviously a very good prospect. We need someone who is comfortable in possession & loves to bomb forward and has a good cross in him. Someone like TAA. AWB is not that player but I still think we should get him - a player like him would be mint against tougher opposition where we need more defensive stability. Even Liverpool don't rely on TAA against top opponents anymore.
There’s a trend in top teams to sign multiple quality fullbacks. Spurs always have 2 quality guys for both rb and lb. City continue to pursue fullbacks every season despite having spent 100m+ in that position.
The reason is because teams play fullbacks in an incredibly physically demanding role. Basically having to do the most running out of anyone on the pitch and cover an entire flank on their own. If you have 2 guys you can do this so much more effectively because you can rotate them and not completely gas them out. Otherwise fatigue will hit hard.
Both AWB and Dalot will get plenty of game time trust me
AWB has averaged 1.7 dribbles per game. Kyle Walker has an average of 0.5. Even Martial only has 1.2, which shows how good he is at dribbling and how often he does it. He also has more assists than Walker (3 v 1) in a way more defensive team. There is no other fullbacks in the league that is even close to the defensive output that AWB puts out. He has by far the highest amount of successful tackles and interceptions per game with no one even close to him while managing them at 0.7 fouls per game, which shows he not only tackles often, but usually does it without having to foul his opponent.
Stats is not everything, but it shows how the player plays the game and his strengths and weaknesses. His apparent "weakness" in going forward is completely overblown by this forum. Just because he doesn't have the offensive outlet of TAA or Robertson does not automatically means he is useless going forward. He also played in a much weaker team under a way more defensive manager in Hodgson. He is also still very young for a defender and can only improve. He has very good foundations to build on and why the feck do you all care about the extra 10m or not? It's not as if the club is asking you to pay for it nor does it benefit the club in anyway to have the extra cash in the bank. It will just be given out to the investors as dividends if not spent anyway.
Stats is not everything, but it shows how the player plays the game and his strengths and weaknesses. His apparent "weakness" in going forward is completely overblown by this forum. Just because he doesn't have the offensive outlet of TAA or Robertson does not automatically means he is useless going forward. He also played in a much weaker team under a way more defensive manager in Hodgson. He is also still very young for a defender and can only improve. He has very good foundations to build on and why the feck do you all care about the extra 10m or not? It's not as if the club is asking you to pay for it nor does it benefit the club in anyway to have the extra cash in the bank. It will just be given out to the investors as dividends if not spent anyway.
I know what you mean, I was slightly more inclined to go for Munier and see how Dalot develops, but if AWB comes we have both a defensive RB and an attacking one. I'm sure Dalot will still get games.
Im still torn at what signing I want at RB. If we didn't have Dalot and Laird it would easily be AWB.
I think it depends how the staff see the progression of those 2 going.
I'd probably lean with Meunier all things considered but won't complain either way.
I think it depends how the staff see the progression of those 2 going.
I'd probably lean with Meunier all things considered but won't complain either way.
I'd probably lean to Meunier as well, especially considering all price quoted.
My absolute favorite would be Ricardo Pereira, but can't see Leicester letting him go, unless they ask for a ridiculous price.
Valencia averaged well more than that but never managed to do anything with this heralded dribble stat people keep bandied about aside from cracking the ball into a defender’s shins 99% of the time.
The relentless rationalizing of a £60mish fee for a completely unestablished RB who has little to no technical ability is astounding. #Brexit
Wan bissaka - who does he have to cross to at crystal palace? Their attack comes through centrally with players like Zaha making the runs. That's why Wan Bissaka cuts in aswell as van aanholt. Valencia cuts in with his passes because he is scared to attack ever since his injury.
The lad is 20 and whilst it's not true about his attack - even if it was questionable - it looks like the one of the only thing he has to improve on.
Liverpool, City, Barca, Juve, Real( when Marcelo and Carvajal were in form) are examples how important is to have attacking full backs.
WB is a monster in defence but his lack of technique would have huge effect on our attacking play. I would take him for 20-25 mil, but for 50+? No way
WB is a monster in defence but his lack of technique would have huge effect on our attacking play. I would take him for 20-25 mil, but for 50+? No way
Said this is another thread. You have both options. If your playing a bottom feeder you roll out sessegnon and dalot to help with the attacking play, or if its a draw with 15 20 mins left and your pushing for a win.
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