A 'Who Quoted Me' function

"I've hardly ever seen anybody quote in a different way to the norm on here. "

I have!

It comes down to this, you are asking for features that really are not necessary AT ALL, whilst at the same time will cause considerable cost to the running of the website, which at busy times struggles as it is. We don't even have the members list enabled nor current users viewing for this very reason. Give Niall 50 grand, and I'd expect that he might consider these things.
 
Why don't we let them figure out if it's viable or not?
 
WeasteDevil said:
The point is, that many people quote in different ways, and if you can't view everyone that quoted you, it becomes rather pointless. How would it even work? The system registers the quote on the press of the icon, or it registers it on the name in the quote? Think about that for a second. Also, even when the system registers it, some of the more prolific posters would have a massive list of quotes. This will over the entire board take one hell of a lot of storage space, and someone will have to pay for that storage space, and it won't be you. If it has to be done at all, then the most sensible solution would be to send an e-mail to the person quoted, but it still goes back to the technical issues and the ability to abuse it, and if people can abuse it they will.
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I'd imagine it searches posts for "[QUOTE=WeasteDevil" and then prints out accordingly with a said limit of say the last 20 posts in which you've been quoted.
So really it would be no different from a regular search in terms of how it affects the server. The current 30 second limit on searches could easily be put on this as well.

I very much doubt it stores anything.
 
Solius said:
Why don't we let them figure out if it's viable or not?
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In terms of storage cost, data load, and bandwidth, it isn't worth it for a feature that isn't necessary. How many quotes per day do you think that there are? What are the database requirements for that? Well, you would at least need to store ID of person quoted, ID of person quoting, ID of thread, ID of post quoted, and we still don't have a primary key, so you'd need an ID of the post that quoted it. So, you're probably talking 20 bytes per quote. This all needs storing somewhere, and it needs processing power, disc movement, and electricity to store it.
 
Weaste are you seriously going on about the cost of storage space as an argument against this mod? Have you ever run a website anywhere near the magnitude of RedCafe?

I can assure you that storage space is not the factor you want to be considering here. If anything it's load / strain that would make this mod a no-go, as the servers tend to get bogged down frequently enough as it is.
 
WeasteDevil said:
The point is, that many people quote in different ways, and if you can't view everyone that quoted you, it becomes rather pointless. How would it even work? The system registers the quote on the press of the icon, or it registers it on the name in the quote? Think about that for a second. Also, even when the system registers it, some of the more prolific posters would have a massive list of quotes. This will over the entire board take one hell of a lot of storage space, and someone will have to pay for that storage space, and it won't be you. If it has to be done at all, then the most sensible solution would be to send an e-mail to the person quoted, but it still goes back to the technical issues and the ability to abuse it, and if people can abuse it they will.
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Maximum 2 quotes per a post?
 
RedLars said:
Weaste are you seriously going on about the cost of storage space as an argument against this mod? Have you ever run a website anywhere near the magnitude of RedCafe?

I can assure you that storage space is not the factor you want to be considering here. If anything it's load / strain that would make this mod a no-go, as the servers tend to get bogged down frequently enough as it is.
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If you look at my posts, I've argued against it on cost, which includes storage, processing, energy consumption, bandwidth consumption, the lot. I use a largish data centre which I have to pay for. I even asked Niall for a quote, which he never gave, so I went elsewhere. Maybe the Dynamics NAV part of it scared him off, I don't know.
 
Why not ask members who wanted such a feature to pay a nominal charge, say £10 per year. I'm sure enough people would pay up to cover the extra cost any such extra functionality would cost. Anyway, the service right now is I think is fantastic.

As a photographer hobbyist I use flickR alot. Their basic free package is fantastic but for an extra and nominal £25 per year, I get loads more functionality which I'm more than happy to pay for.

I know that many will think that asking members to pay monies is the opening of a can of worms that perhaps you may not want to go down, but I for one don't think it's an unreasonable request if it's cost that is the barrier for a functionality upgrade ....... If approached in the right way, maybe even the club would make a donation!
 
I have no problems with that sort of model. All I'm saying is that as now we don't even have member list or current user list functionality, two things that we used to have that were removed due to server load. Then people want the very same server to start dealing with whatever quotes everyone has?
 
It really annoys me when the likes of Top come in and spouts how he thinks things work when he has no clue! It searches the database and doesn't store anything? Does he realise how large that is? Does he realise how much processing power that takes without indexing? Good lord, it's mind boggling what is in the heads of the iPod generation!
 
WeasteDevil said:
It really annoys me when the likes of Top come in and spouts how he thinks things work when he has no clue! It searches the database and doesn't store anything? Does he realise how large that is? Does he realise how much processing power that takes without indexing? Good lord, it's mind boggling what is in the heads of the iPod generation!
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Pot, kettle.

Mind your own and let them decide whether it can work or not. It's not like they're gonna come in this thread and go "Oh Weaste says it won't work, never mind then".
 
Solius said:
Pot, kettle.

Mind your own and let them decide whether it can work or not. It's not like they're gonna come in this thread and go "Oh Weaste says it won't work, never mind then".
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Stop asking for it. If it added value, then by now it would have been done. It doesn't! I'm not the knobhead that for months on end keeps asking for it, and the re-asking for it, and then re-asking for it.

And what do you mean by them? It's him!
 
I asked for it once and then bumped to check if there was any progress. I'll wait til a mod confirms if it's not possible, but thanks for the input.
 
All I'm saying is I doubt they're going to drop the idea because you say it's not viable. I don't know/care about your knowledge of it really. You're not the one attempting to do it. I'm just going to see when Niall/wheoever tries it/doesn't try it and lets one of the mods know so they can pass it on.
 
Solius said:
All I'm saying is I doubt they're going to drop the idea because you say it's not viable. I don't know/care about your knowledge of it really. You're not the one attempting to do it. I'm just going to see when Niall/wheoever tries it/doesn't try it and lets one of the mods know so they can pass it on.
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I think that the idea was passed on a long time ago!

It's a silly feature to be honest, totally unnecessary. Subscribe to the threads.
 
Weaste is right that searching the database is a server intensive activity, which is why Niall turned it off I believe. A "who quoted me" feature is a search function so it isn't going to happen now if ever. New servers and if we change from vBulletin MAY make such things possible - which has been Niall's official line for some time.

Personally I doubt it will happen but I'm not sufficiently tech savvy to know exactly how likely. I'd tend to think that Weaste knows his stuff but it isn't my roll to say definatively yah or nay about these things.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I think that the idea was passed on a long time ago!

It's a silly feature to be honest, totally unnecessary. Subscribe to the threads.
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Agreed - it's fecking completely useless. Read the thread and respond or don't bother. Don't spout so much shite that you need something to keep track of it.
 
Wibble said:
Weaste is right that searching the database is a server intensive activity, which is why Niall turned it off I believe. A "who quoted me" feature is a search function so it isn't going to happen now if ever. New servers and if we change from vBulletin MAY make such things possible - which has been Niall's official line for some time.

Personally I doubt it will happen but I'm not sufficiently tech savvy to know exactly how likely. I'd tend to think that Weaste knows his stuff but it isn't my roll to say definatively yah or nay about these things.
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You wouldn't believe that there are people out there that are paid top dollar, and I mean top dollar, simply to optimise database performance. They get paid silly money for it, the very best of them are on at the very least 300 grand sterling per annum.
 
I'd assume that companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google must have unbelievable database optimisation needs.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Does it not? :lol:

Stick to making gifs.
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Insults, how clever. Stop being a prick. You haven't left yet?

I have made my fair share of websites in the past and do know a thing or two about mySQL. Sure, none of my databases are even close to the Caf's size with the biggest only being about 500mbs, and thus won't be able to fully relate to how much power is required, but I thought I'd comment anyway, if nothing else then to spark a bit of debate about how the function works and why there would be concerns by Niall. But you just decided to be a prick instead, as always.

All I said was that I didn't think there would be a need for a new table in the database where the quotes would be stored, as they're already stored in the posts_table and thus would "just" have to extracted with a search query. I also made it clear that I am aware of the current time limit on searches and that they're there for a reason. But if it is just a simple search and as we do allow normal searches albeit with a time limit then I'd think it could be possible, even if the time limit would have to go up again to compensate for the extra searches.

Oh and Solius has the right to ask without you acting like a prick. Again.
 
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