A New Captain

golden_blunder said:
what leadership ability has Schweinsteiger shown, apart from his ability to be unfit? no good having a crocked captain.

why don't we just buy Henderson and be done, he's a good captain la
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Oh I'm not suggesting him as Captain, he's a has-been, but he was a great Captain once. But think LVG must have bought him for his experience and leadership, as there wasn't much else left to him. He was very good at pointing though.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Of our current crop, I think he's our best choice yes. Not a patch on our previous great Captains though.
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WHy? Vidic looked scary but he wasn't always an obvious future captain and he was great.

For someone who is not the captain, who didn't come through the ranks at the club and who wasn't even a starter or key player untIl recently I think Herrera has displayed fantastic leadership all season
 
Tiber said:
WHy? Vidic looked scary but he wasn't always an obvious future captain and he was great.

For someone who is not the captain, who didn't come through the ranks at the club and who wasn't even a starter or key player untIl recently I think Herrera has displayed fantastic leadership all season
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Herrera lead my example inside the pitch as he has great winner mentality and give it all every time, but i don't think he is captain material.

He is always with the revolutions way too high for me, and a captain needs to keep his cool always. Herrera commits a lot of fouls, and reacts really bad whenever the ref sanction them.

I don't think he has a calm aura, and refs would not take him seriously.

Carrick has to be the captain for now, and then hopefully another British player. Jones is a good shout.

ps. also don't forget the incident when a rival player carried Herrera out of the pitch. You can't accept something like that, i was shocked when it happened.
 
Jaybomb said:
Experienced leader at the back. Portugese connection with Mourinho. In all honesty, I think he's due a move to a big club and would be a good fit for us.
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Are you suggesting we buy Fonte and make him captain right away?
 
I don't think Fonte is good enough to be able to command respect from our dressing room of stars.

And a player doesn't have to be made Captainin his first season, Eric Cantona was made it in his second season. But it takes someone special to do that. Robbo was even faster than that I think. But we need one in the next 2 years as I don't see either Rooney or Carrick here in 2 years time.
 
Herrera all day for me. Bailly could be vice captain within a few years I think aswell.
 
Don't give much of a tosh about who's captain but in general I'd like the role given to a player who's tactically savvy and understands the manager/coaches, not the 'passionate, whip them into shape, blood and thunder' type.
 
golden_blunder said:
what leadership ability has Schweinsteiger shown, apart from his ability to be unfit? no good having a crocked captain.

why don't we just buy Henderson and be done, he's a good captain la
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None. In fact he's set a really poor example to the other players by failing to keep his weight in check and pissing off to Germany every 5 minutes.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Don't give much of a tosh about who's captain but in general I'd like the role given to a player who's tactically savvy and understands the manager/coaches, not the 'passionate, whip them into shape, blood and thunder' type.
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Anyone who isn't both shouldn't be in consideration.
 
Its too early for Pogba. I'd give it to either Herrera or DDG.
 
Smalling - De Gea - Jones - Mata in that order for Captain

But then Carras will still be here next season
 
Kazi said:
Can't believe people see Herrera as a captain. Absolutely no chance.
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agreed. don't understand how that analysis works.

If Smalling can guarantee his spot, it should be him. Or Mata.
 
Many if you thought we didn't need a new Captain or that Herrera was a good choice.

Do you still think this way?

I think making Carrick Captain was a mistake. But while Pogba might potentially become a good Captain he hasn't shown much signs of leadership so far. And for those that say we just need a leader, seems that if ws finally had a leader, with intelligence who can help organise and galvanise, then he would automatically become Captain.
 
You generally give the captain's armband to someone who has been at the club for a while. You do not buy a player so they can become the captain.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
You generally give the captain's armband to someone who has been at the club for a while. You do not buy a player so they can become the captain.
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Agreed. I thought it was odd when Fletcher was handed the armband like 2 games in when he moved to West Brom.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
You generally give the captain's armband to someone who has been at the club for a while. You do not buy a player so they can become the captain.
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This idea of giving the armband to someone just because they've been at the club a long time strikes me as daft and results in Valencia being Captain when he isn't a leader at all. Pogba just arrived and has already Captained us which shows that even after just a year they can become one. Should be based on merit, their leadership skill and not just time spent at the club.
 
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I think captains are overrated now a days. Since the 00's when the game as become less physical and players have got more protection from referees (tackles etc) and what you can and can't say to a referee, the influence of a captain has sort of became redundant and not what it once was.

Roy Keane was the last of the 'old school' captain for me, not just at United but in the Premier League.
 
Number1 said:
I think captains are overrated now a days. Since the 00's when the game as become less physical and players have got more protection from referees (tackles etc) and what you can and can't say to a referee, the influence of a captain has sort of became redundant and not what it once was.

Roy Keane was the last of the 'old school' captain for me, not just at United but in the Premier League.
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Think of the debate between Jones and Herrera and Smalling as to how to rearrange. Pogba was Captain and was silent while our permanent Captain doesn't look that likely to play again. We lack leadership badly. Call him Captain or a leader, but we need a leader on the pitch.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Think of the debate between Jones and Herrera and Smalling as to how to rearrange. Pogba was Captain and was silent while our permanent Captain doesn't look that likely to play again. We lack leadership badly. Call him Captain or a leader, but we need a leader on the pitch.
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City don’t really have any leaders, neither do Liverpool or Arsenal.

But yeah all that should be common football sense, it’s not really a captains job if the captain is a midfielder (like Pobga is) to organize a defense and to move players into different areas of the pitch, it’s the managers job first and foremost, so i blame Jose really as it went on for good 8 mins or so and never got sorted even at the end, all the captains job is to be the voice of the manager 'on' the pitch.

I get where you are coming from though, the defense itself should know exactly how to patch up as they are specialists in that area but we never did, Rio/Vidic and Bruce/Pallister it would have been.
 
Number1 said:
City don’t really have any leaders, neither do Liverpool or Arsenal.

But yeah all that should be common football sense, it’s not really a captains job if the captain is a midfielder (like Pobga is) to organize a defense and to move players into different areas of the pitch, it’s the managers job first and foremost, so i blame Jose really as it went on for good 8 mins or so and never got sorted even at the end, all the captains job is to be the voice of the manager 'on' the pitch.

I get where you are coming from though, the defense itself should know exactly how to patch up as they are specialists in that area but we never did, Rio/Vidic and Bruce/Pallister it would have been.
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I would love a Bruce at the back right now. Pally would also be first choice.

Are there any good defenders out there who can lead as well as pass that we can upgrade Smalling with?
 
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