50s Fantasy Draft - antohan v Duffy

[Brwned]

For the purpose of this competition, these players are considered at the level when they were in their prime.

Team Duffy

GOALKEEPER
In between the sticks is Bats, his description speaks for itself, European Championship winner with France. He is this teams "Guardian".

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DEFENCE
It's no conincidence that my defence is made up of 2 half, both half have won the European Cup together. The right hand side of Liverpools 1984 European Cup winning defence, Phil Neal and Mark Lawrenson, and the left hand side of Juventus' 1985 European cup winning Defence, Sergio Brio and Antonio Cabrini.

The stability of Lawrenson and Brio in the centre allows Neal and Cabrini the room to get forward and support the wingers. The one thing my defence has that no other defense in the competition can boast it a proven understanding. Lawrenson and Neal played together for Liverpool in 4 league winning seasons and as mentioned a European Cup winning campaign.
This is mirrored in Brio and Cabrini (also a World Cup winning left back) who also won 4 League titles in Italy together in addiction to a European Cup.
Overall the defence boasts a total of 23 League Titles, 7 European Cups and a World Cup, thats before getting into National cups, Uefa Cups and Cup Winners Cups.

A Defence Built on Understanding, Stability and Success.

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MIDFIELD
In Midfield the mix of the English League's Finest, with the class of the Italians continues as Robson and Ancolotti (another 2 time European Cup winner) stand side by side in the middle. Captain Marvel is the legs of the team, the driving force such as he was for years for Man United. With Robson getting stuck in and working the opposition midfield hard, this will give time for Ancelotti to dictate the game.

Ancelotti will look to spread the play to the wide positions where Houseman (the sides 2nd World Cup Winner) and Chalana can look to get at the opposition defence. Both wingers are 2 footed, giving the option of switching wings to confuse the oppositions marking. Both very alike in their direct, pacey approach, the dribbling ability of both Chalana and Houseman is enough to baffle any defender and provide plenty of chances for the teams Strikers.

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STRIKERS
What more do you want from a frontline than 2 former European Footballers of the Year (Keegan winning it on 2 seperate Occasions) with over over 500 career goals between them. Keegan showed throughout his career how well he works in a 2 man frontline and how well he drops off in order to create chances. With chances being created left right and centre, Blokhin is the man to be putting the chances away.
A born goal scorer, he is strong, pacey, skillful and has a hitman like accuracy when finishing.

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OVERALL
Throughout the team you have the balance of toughness (Neal, Brio, Blokhin) creativity (Cabrini, Chalana, Ancelotti, Houseman) and determination (Keegan, Lawrenson, Robson) to beat any side.

Player profiles

Team antohan

My team will be playing in a 4-3-3 formation with a solid foundation and the mouthwatering prospect of Falcao and Schuster pulling the strings for Boniek and Simonsen to pull defences apart.

All four of them are very intelligent and technically gifted players and have a fair degree of freedom to move into different positions, keep play fluid and the opposition guessing.

They can also count with the forward charges of two fantastic fullbacks and Lerby as the box-to-box midfielder.

Morena just has to take advantage of the space created in that disarray and bang them in.

PLAYER PROFILES (I suggest you treat yourself to the Boniek and Simonsen clips if nothing else)

 

[antohan]

I thought this would be the battle of the wide teams, with two of the best fullback pairs (mine being better on the attacking side of things) and what I consider the three best wide players on the draft, but Blokhin is playing upfront.

That gives Duffy a deadly strikeforce no doubt, but for all I rate Robbo I think he will struggle to keep up with that midfield trio. Can they score getting little of the ball? Can a drunk and a guy called Chalana provide them with the service?

I have two of the best midfield orchestrators in the draft, the wide forwards with the most pace and trickery and a tried and tested goalmachine helping them work the channels and feeding off any scraps.

If you look beyond Duffy's attractive strikeforce, my team is better as a whole.

 

[Duffy]

I thought this would be the battle of the wide teams, with two of the best fullback pairs (mine being better on the attacking side of things) and what I consider the three best wide players on the draft, but Blokhin is playing upfront.

That gives Duffy a deadly strikeforce no doubt, but for all I rate Robbo I think he will struggle to keep up with that midfield trio. Can they score getting little of the ball? Can a drunk and a guy called Chalana provide them with the service?

I have two of the best midfield orchestrators in the draft, the wide forwards with the most pace and trickery and a tried and tested goalmachine helping them work the channels and feeding off any scraps.

If you look beyond Duffy's attractive strikeforce, my team is better as a whole.

Got to admit this bit made me laugh!

I don't have the team with the most recognisable players but the "in their prime" description comes in to play, and this "Drunk" you speak of, is a World Cup winner, not exactly the same type of Drunk you get down the pub on Friday nights, and I'd appreciate if you didn't turn this into a game of name calling

I think my team has both the pace and precision in attack to hurt your boys. Not only will I be attacking down the wings but Ancelotti pinging balls all over the show as well.

I think its crazy to say Robbo couldn't keep up with anyone. For me Robbo in his prime looked like he could take on the world, and with Ancelotti providing the craft alongside him, I don't think the numbers game come into play.

My front line speaks for itself, and my back 4 is as solid as you will see in this competition and as I have said I have the Liverpool/Juve partnerships that provide an understanding at the back that no other team in this competition can boast.

You're 1 up front against my 4 man defence means you're lads are out of their depth, no matter how good your midfield is.

My Player Profiles - Team Duffy

Brawned - can you add this link to the OP - cheers!

 

[Theon]

Very close but I've gone for Duffy, love his strike partnership and two man centre midfield. Antohan is vastly underrating Robson I reckon, though he has got the much better wingers.

 

[Duffy]

Very close but I've gone for Duffy, love his strike partnership and two man centre midfield. Antohan is vastly underrating Robson I reckon, though he has got the much better wingers.

Much more recognisable wingers, think both my wingers are being underestimated by most, thought I made a good case for them in my player profiles in the draft thread.

Cheers for the vote mate!

Edit: Anybody questioning their quality need only look at Houseman's and Chalana's video's, specifically Chalana tearing the eventual winners France a new one in the Euro 1984 Semi Final.

Thought with the amount of love for Tony V on the Caf, these 2 would be appreciated for their style of play.

 

[Theon]

Only just seen you're player profiles mate don't think Brwned had finished setting up before I voted.

Yeah you do make a good case but I still think Antohans wingers nick it!

 

[antohan]

the "in their prime" description comes in to play, and this "Drunk" you speak of, is a World Cup winner, not exactly the same type of Drunk you get down the pub on Friday nights, and I'd appreciate if you didn't turn this into a game of name calling

Just banter mate. Mind, Houseman made little if any contribution to the World Cup win and his prime was way before then. Alcohol had alrready taken its toll by the time the WC came about and he was almost kicked out of the team for slipping out of the team's hotel and going on a binge bang in the middle of the World Cup.

I think my team has both the pace and precision in attack to hurt your boys. Not only will I be attacking down the wings but Ancelotti pinging balls all over the show as well.

I was actually more worried about Blokhin on the wing if I'm honest. Up there you are limiting the impact of his greatest asset: pace and trickery. I could go and place Simonsen and Boniek closer to the penalty area but what I really want them is to go on one of their runs. They were unstoppable, so was Blokhin, but not precisely in that role.

Putting it simply: I'm confident my fullbacks would own your wide players, but the same cannot be said about yours.

I think its crazy to say Robbo couldn't keep up with anyone. For me Robbo in his prime looked like he could take on the world, and with Ancelotti providing the craft alongside him, I don't think the numbers game come into play.

I'm not dissing Robbo, and it's not purely a numbers game. It's the composition of that midfield. All great passers and intelligent players, if you are outnumbered by such players it doesn't matter how good you are and how hard you work, you will keep chasing shadows.

My front line speaks for itself, and my back 4 is as solid as you will see in this competition and as I have said I have the Liverpool/Juve partnerships that provide an understanding at the back that no other team in this competition can boast.

An understanding between Juve and Liverpool players? I would like to see how that works out

You're 1 up front against my 4 man defence means you're lads are out of their depth, no matter how good your midfield is.

There's a reason 4-4-2 got taken over by 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-3-2-1 whatever you want to call it. My backline can deal with your frontline while I get an extra man in midfield.

Morena is not alone. In fact, my midfield and attack have a better international scoring record than yours.

 

[Duffy]

Only just seen you're player profiles mate don't think Brwned had finished setting up before I voted.

Yeah you do make a good case but I still think Antohans wingers nick it!

Fair enough, cheers for looking anyways.

My profiles are quite in-depth and quite long for the OP's during the matches so will have to make sure I stick the link in there.

 

[antohan]

That serves me well for not respecting the golden rule of drafts: go for big names in key roles.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind you would lose this game. But then, I'm the only one who has seen much of my striker and CB pair!

Fact is, I would only take three players from your side onto my 11: Robson, Keegan and Blokhin (possibly as a sub, depends on how much tracking back I want, Boniek did put a shift as well there).

 

[Duffy]

Just banter mate. Mind, Houseman made little if any contribution to the World Cup win and his prime was way before then. Alcohol had alrready taken its toll by the time the WC came about and he was almost kicked out of the team for slipping out of the team's hotel and going on a binge bang in the middle of the World Cup.



I was actually more worried about Blokhin on the wing if I'm honest. Up there you are limiting the impact of his greatest asset: pace and trickery. I could go and place Simonsen and Boniek closer to the penalty area but what I really want them is to go on one of their runs. They were unstoppable, so was Blokhin, but not precisely in that role.

Putting it simply: I'm confident my fullbacks would own your wide players, but the same cannot be said about yours.



I'm not dissing Robbo, and it's not purely a numbers game. It's the composition of that midfield. All great passers and intelligent players, if you are outnumbered by such players it doesn't matter how good you are and how hard you work, you will keep chasing shadows.



An understanding between Juve and Liverpool players? I would like to see how that works out



There's a reason 4-4-2 got taken over by 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-3-2-1 whatever you want to call it. My backline can deal with your frontline while I get an extra man in midfield.

Morena is not alone. In fact, my midfield and attack have a better international scoring records than yours.

Digging up the dirt on Houseman now, it's like the Daily Mail in here!

I had considered it but I find his strenght on the ball is also one of his main assets and one I thought best to use for this game, I also think Keegan works well in a flat front 2, and to boast 2 EFOTY's up front was something I found too good to pass up.

I was counting on Ancelottis quick thinking and passing ability along with Robbo's workrate to see me through against 3 man midfields.

By the Liverpool/Juve understanding I mean the 2 sets of 2. The right hand side Liverpool's European Cup winners and the left side Juve's European Cup winners, along with numerous league titles as mentioned in the player profiles.

 

[antohan]

Fair enough, cheers for looking anyways.

My profiles are quite in-depth and quite long for the OP's during the matches so will have to make sure I stick the link in there.

Yeah, the tactics screens should be next to each other. Makes life a lot easier when you try to play the game out in your head.

 

[Duffy]

That serves me well for not respecting the golden rule of drafts: go for big names in key roles.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind you would lose this game. But then, I'm the only one who has seen much of my striker and CB pair!

Fact is, I would only take three players from your side onto my 11: Robson, Keegan and Blokhin (possibly as a sub, depends on how much tracking back I want, Boniek did put a shift as well there).

See this isn't something I've even considered when choosing my team, or even now I don't feel like saying I would or wouldn't have any of your players. I've tried to put together my side based on what I think I need to over power teams.

- Steady Keeper
- A reliable Defence that includes people who were proven to work successfully together.
- A central midfield of 1 tough tackling, workhorse and 1 man who can dictate the tempo of the game.
- Pacey skilful wingers to test the opposition wing-backs/
- Certified Goalscorers upfront with the ability to play a bit as well.

 

[antohan]

I had considered it but I find his strenght on the ball is also one of his main assets and one I thought best to use for this game, I also think Keegan works well in a flat front 2, and to boast 2 EFOTY's up front was something I found too good to pass up.

With Hrubesch unpicked in the draft, you could have gone for an HSV partnership and Blokhin on the wing. Personally I would rate that higher.

I was counting on Ancelottis quick thinking and passing ability along with Robbo's workrate to see me through against 3 man midfields.

If anyone could do it, it's Robbo, particularly on RedCafe. Don't have as much time for Ancelotti as you seem to though. Good player, not much else.

By the Liverpool/Juve understanding I mean

I understood, just taking the piss. If we are to go for "he knows how to play with so and so", which is valid, you also have to take into account "he doesn't get on with so and so" and Liverpool players mixed with Juve players could be a problem. My man Boniek quit Juve after Heysel mainly to try leave that memory behind him.

 

[Duffy]

Yeah, the tactics screens should be next to each other. Makes life a lot easier when you try to play the game out in your head.

Yeah definitely, think like we both have, give people the links to the full profiles so they can look for themselves what's on offer.

Think it's important especially with this draft being a bit further back in time than past ones.

 

[Brwned]

My Player Profiles - Team Duffy

Brawned - can you add this link to the OP - cheers!

They're there, they've been there since before Theon voted and before you PM'd me. It took a good 20 minutes fixing up these two matches and here we are already pointing out what I've done wrong...they would've all been on this page - no links, right there in the OP - if your profiles weren't so fecking long in the first place. Pain in the arse this is!

 

[Crustanoid]

Not going to vote yet - I looked at this an hour ago and couldn't decide. Duffy has some match winners in his side, and a particularly strong central midfield and strike pairing. However Antohan's team makes more sense as a unit which could prove crucial. I'm going to wait a while!

 

[Duffy]

With Hrubesch unpicked in the draft, you could have gone for an HSV partnership and Blokhin on the wing. Personally I would rate that higher.



If anyone could do it, it's Robbo, particularly on RedCafe. Don't have as much time for Ancelotti as you seem to though. Good player, not much else.



I understood, just taking the piss. If we are to go for "he knows how to play with so and so", which is valid, you also have to take into account "he doesn't get on with so and so" and Liverpool players mixed with Juve players could be a problem. My man Boniek quit Juve after Heysel mainly to try leave that memory behind him.

TBF, I went for Keegan early on cause I knew he would be someone who would be well appreciated on the Caf despite his Liverpool days, would rather have him on my side than against me.

Fair point about the Liverpool/Juve dislike, but I think for the time you had to have some Liverpool players in their if you were looking for success and there's its hard not to pick players who may have a dislike for Liverpool

 

[antohan]

See this isn't something I've even considered when choosing my team, or even now I don't feel like saying I would or wouldn't have any of your players. I've tried to put together my side based on what I think I need to over power teams.

- Steady Keeper
- A reliable Defence that includes people who were proven to work successfully together.
- A central midfield of 1 tough tackling, workhorse and 1 man who can dictate the tempo of the game.
- Pacey skilful wingers to test the opposition wing-backs/
- Certified Goalscorers upfront with the ability to play a bit as well.

I did the same and am pretty confident about their ability to overpower teams, but clearly you can get away with Chalana on the wing more than I can get away with Morena upfront.

0.85 goals per game throughout his career, all-time top scorer in Uruguay, all-time second highest in Copa Libertadores. He has the best international scoring record on the pitch here but clearly it doesn't matter.

Simonsen's record is better than Keegan's, Boniek's is as good as Houseman's and Morena's is better than Blokhin and Chalana put together. Which takes us back to the midfield, where Robbo is the best individual scorer, but Ancelotti just doesn't score, while all three of mine do.

 

[Duffy]

Not going to vote yet - I looked at this an hour ago and couldn't decide. Duffy has some match winners in his side, and a particularly strong central midfield and strike pairing. However Antohan's team makes more sense as a unit which could prove crucial. I'm going to wait a while!

Better off weighing it up than rushing into it. Honestly think the first 2 games (this and yours Vs Nani Nana) have shown how difficult its going to be to choose during some of these matches. Not really a bad side in it, may just come down to a preference to 1 player or the managers tactics.

 

[Duffy]

I did the same and am pretty confident about their ability to overpower teams, but clearly you can get away with Chalana on the wing more than I can get away with Morena upfront.

0.85 goals per game throughout his career, all-time top scorer in Uruguay, all-time second highest in Copa Libertadores. He has the best international scoring record on the pitch here but clearly it doesn't matter.

Simonsen's record is better than Keegan's, Boniek's is as good as Houseman's and Morena's is better than Blokhin and Chalana put together. Which takes us back to the midfield, where Robbo is the best individual scorer, but Ancelotti just doesn't score, while all three of mine do.

See that's comparing goalscoring though, I don't have Chalana and Houseman in there to get goals, I've got them there to have a go at the full backs and create chances, Keegan and Blokhin are the men I'm looking at for goals, whereas you seem to have gone for a front 4 or 5 all looking to attack, suppose it's just what people think will do the business.

 

[antohan]

They're there, they've been there since before Theon voted and before you PM'd me. It took a good 20 minutes fixing up these two matches and here we are already pointing out what I've done wrong...they would've all been on this page - no links, right there in the OP - if your profiles weren't so fecking long in the first place. Pain in the arse this is!

Mate, you shouldn't have to do all that editing. Simple rule: PM with game plan + link to profiles + tactics sheet.

Depending on alphabetical order, the first team sends in that order, the second sends tactics sheet + gameplan + profile link. Just cut and paste.

 

[Brwned]

Mate, you shouldn't have to do all that editing. Simple rule: PM with game plan + link to profiles + tactics sheet.

Depending on alphabetical order, the first team sends in that order, the second sends tactics sheet + gameplan + profile link. Just cut and paste.

You organise that in the draft thread or through PMs and there'll be no more crankiness from me! Don't see it running so smoothly though.

Antohan's team based on the images alone is edging it for me but I'll give the profiles and tactics a look tomorrow.

 

[antohan]

See that's comparing goalscoring though, I don't have Chalana and Houseman in there to get goals, I've got them there to have a go at the full backs and create chances, Keegan and Blokhin are the men I'm looking at for goals, whereas you seem to have gone for a front 4 or 5 all looking to attack, suppose it's just what people think will do the business.

I picked the Dutch colours for a reason. I expect everyone to chip in and picked players who can, not one-dimensional ones who are only good at one thing and one thing alone, those are a lot easier to nullify.

Even my choice of CBs was based on this, every single player in my team is a good passer and has huge composure when in possession.

 

[Duffy]

I picked the Dutch colours for a reason. I expect everyone to chip in and picked players who can, not one-dimensional ones who are only good at one thing and one thing alone, those are a lot easier to nullify.

Even my choice of CBs was based on this, every single player in my team is a good passer and has huge composure when in possession.

Fair point, will be interesting to see how other people have put their teams together. I don't think my team's one dimensional at all, but yes I have all of them in there for a purpose.

 

[antohan]

Fair point, will be interesting to see how other people have put their teams together. I don't think my team's one dimensional at all, but yes I have all of them in there for a purpose.

I didn't call your team one dimensional, I just emphasised how I went into great pains to pick players who weren't so. A lot of big name players just didn't make the cut in that regard, particularly defenders whose passing was very limited.

 

[Duffy]

I didn't call your team one dimensional, I just emphasised how I went into great pains to pick players who weren't so. A lot of big name players just didn't make the cut in that regard, particularly defenders whose passing was very limited.

Oh yeah ano, I meant moreso that there may be teams we come across that look a bit toothless in that respect.

Fair enough going for defenders who can play, suppose ever in the draft you do get the managers basing their choices around how they like their teams to play, I know my team is.

 

[antohan]

Where's Snow when you need him? He spent the entire 70s draft banging on about 4-4-2 not being able to beat a good 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, had some Mourinho quotes on that and all...

 

[antohan]

As stated earlier, Simonsen's scoring record was actually better than Keegan's. In his career he scored as many goals in 100 less games and at international level scored as many in less games.



The fact he is "not in the box" doesn't mean he is not a massive contributor. Same holds for Boniek, who scored some amazing goals for Juve.



Both could play anywhere across the frontline. The reason I place them there is because I want them to work the channels. I don't want them waiting for the ball with their backs to goal or just beating their marker and crossing all the time.

I want Schuster and Falcao to release them at full pelt, and them leaving their fullback for dead and choosing whether to make the byline or cut inside, pulling the other CB out either way, and next you know you have a very dangerous 3 on 3 with a tricky dribbler in possession and Schuster and Falcao arriving late in the box.

That is yet another advantage of having three in the middle. Robbo and Ancelotti can track them back, but one of them three can either stay back to break up any counter or pick up clearances (Lerby for the most part, who had a cannon on his left peg).

Platini:

The top scorer in the league will be whoever partners Boniek

 

[antohan]

I've updated the profile with some clips from a documentary on Morena.

This is one of them with all his league goals after his return late in 1981 and with goals and misses from the 1982 Libertadores campaign. Shows a decent mixture of different kinds of goals without editing just the best of his 334 goals in official games.

 

[Duffy]

Don't get me wrong Simonsen is a great player but his goal scoring record (pretty much exactly 2 in 5) doesn't make him an automatic better player than Keegan, my sub Rui Jordao has an all time goal scoring record of roughly 2 in every 3 but I would never have dreamt having him there ahead of either Keegan or Blokhin, as that's a partnership I see working like a charm.

Where you've played him on the right puts him up against my World Cup winning left back Cabrini who I'm confident could marshal him.

 

[antohan]

Don't get me wrong Simonsen is a great player but his goal scoring record (pretty much exactly 2 in 5) doesn't make him an automatic better player than Keegan, my sub Rui Jordao has an all time goal scoring record of roughly 2 in every 3 but I would never have dreamt having him there ahead of either Keegan or Blokhin, as that's a partnership I see working like a charm.

Are you kidding me? Simonsen played at the same level as Keegan, same league, same European competitions, even got the EFOTY the very season Keegan won the European Cup with Liverpool.

2 in 5 (almost 1 in 2) is better than Keegan's 2 in 6 (1 in 3), particularly for a player mostly starting from the wing and not a central scoring position.

Keegan already has brownie points without you coming and making stuff up.

Where you've played him on the right puts him up against my World Cup winning left back Cabrini who I'm confident could marshal him.

That's where he played when he was in his pomp for Borussia Monchengladcach, and he tore every single German and European defence apart. He is the only player to have scored in a European Cup, UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup final.

I said earlier Cabrini is good but up against it. Your man Houseman never played anywhere near this level and he faces Hans-Peter Briegel. Good luck to him.

 

[Duffy]

What have I made up? I don't think Simonsen is a better player than Keegan, other than that I sai simonsen's goal scoring record was 2 in 5, which you've said it was, and Rui Jordaos was almost 1 in 3, which is also correct, so I don't see where I'm "making stuff up"??

I never said putting him out right was a problem, I just said it puts him up against Cabrini. Going by your rule tht he's scored in all those big games gives me right to say my right-back scored 2 European Cup Final goals (3 if you count shoot outs), it makes no odds really. All I pointed out was I'd back Cabrini to come through for me against any winger.

 

[Rood]

not really been following this draft - is this the first match?

sorry antohan but I went for Duffy - mostly because the players are more familiar to me and I cant be arsed to look into the ones Ive never heard of.

 

[Gio]

While Antohan for me has a bit more quality across the park - particularly on the head-to-heads on his left flank, Duffy's 4-4-2 is beautiful in its balance.

What's the rules on voting this time - can I as a fellow group member vote here?

 

[Duffy]

While Antohan for me has a bit more quality across the park - particularly on the head-to-heads on his left flank, Duffy's 4-4-2 is beautiful in its balance.

What's the rules on voting this time - can I as a fellow group member vote here?

Don't think so, think you can vote on the other group but not your own, it's caused a few problems in the Nani Nana V Crustanoid match from what I've seen.

 

[antohan]

What have I made up? I don't think Simonsen is a better player than Keegan, other than that I sai simonsen's goal scoring record was 2 in 5, which you've said it was, and Rui Jordaos was almost 1 in 3, which is also correct, so I don't see where I'm "making stuff up"??

You were saying Simonsen was not Keegan's level and that if the basis to to compare them was goals you could compare the record to Jordao's. Comparing Simonsen and Keegan is apples with apples and his goalscoring record is way better. I'm not saying it makes him better than Keegan, I'm just piointing that out for those (like Rood) who think "Keegan=goals", "Simonsen=who?". What you did was say if it was about goals we could compare apples with bananas, Jordao never played at a level even remotely similar to Simonsen.

I never said putting him out right was a problem, I just said it puts him up against Cabrini. Going by your rule tht he's scored in all those big games gives me right to say my right-back scored 2 European Cup Final goals (3 if you count shoot outs), it makes no odds really. All I pointed out was I'd back Cabrini to come through for me against any winger.

I pointed out the goals in big games because they indicate he shows up in the big games. I'm not saying Cabrini wouldn't. I even mentioned in my very first post this game had the two best fullback pairs IMO. What I'm saying is if anyone is going to give Cabrini a rough time, it is Simonsen, he is the worst player in the entire draft for him to be up against. While Briegel vs Houseman looks a lot more like a pocket job.

 

[antohan]

Don't think so, think you can vote on the other group but not your own, it's caused a few problems in the Nani Nana V Crustanoid match from what I've seen.

Yeah, it's better if we avoid voting in our own groups. Shame because that takes out three votes from people who should know about the players, etc. But it is the safest option.

I wonder what the point is discussing players in the thread for people to then just show up and vote on the grounds of "I know some players, I'll vote those".

 

[antohan]

not really been following this draft - is this the first match?

sorry antohan but I went for Duffy - mostly because the players are more familiar to me and I cant be arsed to look into the ones Ive never heard of.

Christ mate, you should know better. You've been at the receiving end of people randomly voting and not explaining their reasons but you are going one better, your explanation is you can't be arsed. Really?

Mind, it does give me feedback: it's not the shape, it's not the tactics, it's just player familiarity. Bugger all I can do about it though

 

[Rood]

Christ mate, you should know better. You've been at the receiving end of people randomly voting and not explaining their reasons but you are going one better, your explanation is you can't be arsed. Really?

Mind, it does give me feedback: it's not the shape, it's not the tactics, it's just player familiarity. Bugger all I can do about it though

I knew you would appreciate the feedback

Anyway it wasn't just the familiarity that swung it - I especially liked the fact that Duffy has his defence made up of players who know each other, plus I find it difficult to vote against Captain Marvel!

 

[antohan]

I knew you would appreciate the feedback

Anyway it wasn't just the familiarity that swung it - I especially liked the fact that Duffy has his defence made up of players who know each other, plus I find it difficult to vote against Captain Marvel!

Fair enough mate, I would find it hard as well. As stated earlier, there are three players I would happily take from Duffy and Robbo is the only one of those who would walk into my side even if it means somewhat changing the setup. He would take up Schuster's position and Schuster would move to a deeper ball-pinging role.