Right now we can't though. At least I can't, don't have a clue who is going to be picked. One of the reasons why I am not too worried about planning at this stage until it is my turn.
How do reinforcements work?
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How do reinforcements work?
Often you see plainly enough what NN will want to go for, and that this will strengthen his team considerably, or even dangerously - and you hope that someone else picks his man, but you don't go as far as picking his man yourself, because you don't really want or need his man in your own team.
It's easy enough to shaft others if you so please - but it's quite rare that you get to a) sabotage the opposition and b) strengthen your own team - in one and the same move.
It's easy enough to shaft others if you so please - but it's quite rare that you get to a) sabotage the opposition and b) strengthen your own team - in one and the same move.
In usual circumstances yea, they can pick whenever they are online.
But if someone misses a couple of picks without showing up whatsoever then they will be replaced.
All this talk of tactics and player choices is unnerving. I don't have a clue what im going to do 
I'm picking the best Argentine leftback of all time, Silvio Marzolini.
All this talk of tactics and player choices is unnerving. I don't have a clue what im going to do
Sometimes it's better that way
I'm torn on what to do next.
Aldo 1. Best 2.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2.
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto
@Balu
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2.
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto
@Balu
You stole Beckenbauer from me and you don't know what to do with him!!?? Blasphemy!!!All this talk of tactics and player choices is unnerving. I don't have a clue what im going to do
fecking awesome, didn't expect him to last back to me
Aldo 1. Best 2.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto
@Invictus
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2.
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto
@Invictus
Ha! I was wishing he would slip by.
I was 100% sure he'd get picked. But the closer it got to me, the more I started to hope. Once Gio picked Cubillas, I thought it could maybe, maybe happen. Really chuffed about it. One of the few truely great defenders in the draft.
Best RB in the draft easily (Sorry Carlos Alberto). Also one of the only guys to keep Cruyff quiet for a full ninety.
I was 100% sure of picking him, changed my mind at the last moment. And yeah, he is the best RB in the draft
Aldo 1. Best 2.
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2.
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2.
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2.
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2.
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto
I hoped you'd go for an attacker because you already had a defender and you might want to create a strong spine instead of a strong defense. Was really worried about ctp though.
Yeah, the reason why I changed my mind. I have 11 players left on my list and 13 picks before my turn. Here is hoping one skips by.
Surprised people consider Vogts a better right back than Carlos Alberto.
Every single player I had written down is gone.... My leftback, my right back, my second striker...
Vogts shut Cryuff down don't you know
Invictus picked exactly the player I was expecting him to pick. Good choice considering his first pick.
Depends largely on what you want to get out of 'em for me. Vogts is clearly the better, more tenacious defender - CA has other things going for him.
Both great players - nothing between them in terms of what level they're at, I'd say personally.
On Vogts/Alberto, clearly Vogts is the better defender and Alberto is stronger on the ball. Horses for courses really - depends on fit/style/alternatives/etc.
Aye, pretty fair and agree with most of that. Vogts was certainly the more tenacious of two and was better defensively, though not by much for my money which is more to do with Carlos Alberto being excellent defensively himself than any criticism of Vogts.
On the flip side I think Carlos Alberto was significantly better on the ball and obviously a real asset in offensive build up play, as all of that Brazilian team were. I also think he probably translates better to the modern game than Vogts, who should have been sent off against Cruyff in '74 for instance.
To be fair to Vogts, there aren't that many old school defenders who could really translate to the modern game.
In comparison to what we've seen in the last 2 World Cup finals, Vogts performance against Cruyff was really tame. Just saying, kung fu kicks or punches until the other player bleeds didn't lead to red cards, Vogts didn't do anything like that. He could have seen a 2nd yellow in theory, far from a given even when we apply the rules of today though. But there was nothing really bad from him.
He wasn't a dirty defender, nothing compared to for example Gentile in '82. I don't see how Vogts would look out of place in modern football at all. It won't matter in this draft anyway, because all the defenders and defensive midfielders played in the same era under the same rules and there'll be players picked who make Vogts look like a saint.
He wasn't a dirty defender, nothing compared to for example Gentile in '82. I don't see how Vogts would look out of place in modern football at all. It won't matter in this draft anyway, because all the defenders and defensive midfielders played in the same era under the same rules and there'll be players picked who make Vogts look like a saint.
Take your time. Still trying to make my mind up here. Torn on a couple of things.
Not my next pick @Balu
Wolfgang Overath is the most underrated German footballer of all-time in spite of being one of the greatest German playmaker's ever. He holds the all-time record most appearances for FC Koln with 765 games and scored 287 goals. Kicker rated him in 4 world-class seasons and 9 seasons of international-class. Overath is one of the few players with World Cup medals for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. He was known for his passing and organizing ability, especially with his left foot. In the World Cup 1970, Many foreign journalists voted him Germany's best player and he reached his highest place (5th) in Ballon'Dor in that year. Overath was also very famous for his winning-mental and always was able to perform an aggressive playing style combined with technical ability to help West Germany get back to winning after being down a goal. Overath was named in Bundesliga team of the season three times. According to German footballer of the year voting, he finished third place twice and was German midfielder of the year for three times. He finished best place in Ballon D'or at fifth in 1970.
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@Skizzo
Wolfgang Overath is the most underrated German footballer of all-time in spite of being one of the greatest German playmaker's ever. He holds the all-time record most appearances for FC Koln with 765 games and scored 287 goals. Kicker rated him in 4 world-class seasons and 9 seasons of international-class. Overath is one of the few players with World Cup medals for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. He was known for his passing and organizing ability, especially with his left foot. In the World Cup 1970, Many foreign journalists voted him Germany's best player and he reached his highest place (5th) in Ballon'Dor in that year. Overath was also very famous for his winning-mental and always was able to perform an aggressive playing style combined with technical ability to help West Germany get back to winning after being down a goal. Overath was named in Bundesliga team of the season three times. According to German footballer of the year voting, he finished third place twice and was German midfielder of the year for three times. He finished best place in Ballon D'or at fifth in 1970.
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@Skizzo
The feck, he was my back-up and next pick .
.Nobody said he was a violent player, so I wouldn't expect him to punch anybody. All I'm saying is that his tackles were the type that would draw fouls in the modern game - which IMO is true of lots of the older defenders. He didn't do anything that looked like a straight red against Holland, but I've watched that game a few times and I think he could have easily have had three or four yellows IMO.
Cruyff won a lot of free kicks in that game and most of then were from Vogts. He went into the back of him a couple of times, which are challenges that could be expected to draw a yellow card. Also, that game is just an example anyway. Here are some highlights of just Cruyff as I couldn't find any for Vogts. I think at the least 2.11, 3.48 and 4.40 could have been yellows, possibly a few more, and that's just on Cruyff.
Not a big deal anyway, he's a great pick
- I just think Carlos Alberto is a touch more rounded.Well yeah, that's obvious. I would never disagree with that.Not a big deal anyway, he's a great pick
On Vogts, one thing that is worth mentioning is how dominant he was domestically for Monchengladbach. His average match ratings through his career, but particularly from 1974 to 1977 are exceptional - I'm pretty sure he had the highest Kicker rating in the league in each of those seasons - which is mighty impressive for a rugged defender. And the international achievements ain't that bad either.
Imagine being a player and watching a guy like Cruyff/Pele/Eusebio/Beckenbauer pick up the ball from deep the same way Cruyff was in that video. It would be terrifying to play against them.
One of the ‘Twelve Apostles’ who to some was better than JC himself; it’s an argument that perhaps should never be settled.
Ajax defender Velibor Vasovic tells the story of watching Ajax just before he signed for the Dutch giants. A young Johann Cruyff was dazzling on the left when Vasovic was told by a fan not to bother too much with the youngster as the left wing was already in possession of the clubs best player. Vasovic responded that if the club had a better player than Cruyff then the club didn’t need to sign him. The better player was Piet Keizer.
Amsterdam born [14th June 1943] and bred, Keizer was a one club man, joining Ajax in 1961 under manager Vic Buckingham. Keizer would stay for 13 years and 365 appearances. A left winger with an upright stance and a long striding “scissor” gait that he perfected; it gave him the ability to deceive defenders and deliver perfect crosses. Sjaak Swart also remembers Keizer’s ability to stand still with the ball and play a pass to take three defenders out.
Only a year after joining Ajax, Keizer made his debut for the Oranje in a friendly against Netherlands Antilles. His early career was marked by comments on his ability to disappear during matches. Keizer was said to be only seen on the pitch for 10 minutes, but in those 10 minutes he was brilliant. He became more consistent and his career was taking off before in 1964 he cracked his skull in a match. A long lay-off followed. When he returned things where changing.
Johann Cruyff was emerging, Rinus Michels was in charge and the world was about to be introduced to Total Football and one of the greatest teams ever seen. Cruyff and Keizer were labelled the ‘royal pair’ and would go onto to terrorize the Eredivisie. Six consecutive league titles would follow until the 1972-3 season, four KNVB Cups, an Intertoto Cup culminating in three consecutive European Cups in 70-1, 71-2 and 72-3 seasons [as well as two UEFA Supercups and an InterContinental Cup victory in the same period].
The 1973 triumphs were to be the farewell of the great team. Rinus left for Barcelona and new manager George Knobel held a secret ballot on who should be captain. Cruyff who held the captaincy lost out to Keizer. A few weeks later Cruyff was heading to Barcelona.
Keizer played his final year at Ajax and was selected by Michels for the World Cup squad in 1974. However an apparent fractious relationship between the two saw Keizer make only one appearance. Keizer decided to retire after the tournament finished.
As to who was the better – Keizer or Cruyff? Maybe the analogy is they needed each other – Cruyff’s Mick Jagger to Keizer’s Keith Richards. Both are legendary.
Yeah, there's so much more to his career than the World Cup final against Cruyff.
Yeah, it was between Vogts and Marzolini for me. Seems it worked out for both of us