3-3-1-3

[Neil Thomson]

Is the formation Argentina play with Veron in the hole. Could we ever conceivably have this formation?

Barthez
Thuram Ayala Bridge/Silvestre
Becks Keane Giggs
Veron
Ole PDC RVN

 

[JOBT]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Is the formation Argentina play with Veron in the hole. Could we ever conceivably have this formation?

Barthez
Thuram Ayala Bridge/Silvestre
Becks Keane Giggs
Veron
Ole PDC RVN</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think it would be wasting the talents of becks and giggs to be honest.
its a great team for Championship manager but not the premiership.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by JOBT:
<strong>

i think it would be wasting the talents of becks and giggs to be honest.
its a great team for Championship manager but not the premiership.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Seems to be good in internationals for argentina, but probably not so good in EPL. I haven't got CM so I wouldn't know, perhaps you could tell me?

 

[michael owen's mum]

erm, veron doesn't play in the hole - that's where, aimar, gallardo or ortega play. veron is in the second group of 3 with zanetti and simeone. . .

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Is the formation Argentina play with Veron in the hole. Could we ever conceivably have this formation?

Barthez
Thuram Ayala Bridge/Silvestre
Becks Keane Giggs
Veron
Ole PDC RVN</strong><hr></blockquote>

When using only three defenders you must have two wide players with good defending ability, such as Zanetti and Sorin of Argentine. However Becks and Giggs are brought up as pure offensive players, so it will be too risky for us to play this formation.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>erm, veron doesn't play in the hole - that's where, aimar, gallardo or ortega play. veron is in the second group of 3 with zanetti and simeone. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>
He varies his position, but he normally is in the hole.

 

[RUDDY]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
He varies his position, but he normally is in the hole.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No he doesnt owens mum is actully right

 

[Neil Thomson]

TeamTalk:
Juan Sebastian Veron played a part as Argentina continued their World Cup preparations with a 5-1 win over Japanese champions Kashima Antlers.
Veron began the match in midfield for his country but was replaced by Pablo Aimar as the game wore on and coach Marcelo Bielsa opted to make major changes.
Former Red Devils target Gabriel Batistuta was the star of the show, firing a warning shot to Hernan Crespo, his main rival for the central striker's role.
'Bati-Gol' scored four goals in the friendly after replacing Crespo at half-time, as the Argentines' class eventually proved why they are among the favourites to displace France as world champions.
Veron, who is a key part in the national side, can expect to start Argentina's games this summer in a 3-3-1-3 formation, with the United player in 'the hole' behind the front three.
The South Americans are in Group F next month along with England, Sweden and Nigeria. They kick off their campaign against the Africans on June 2.

 

[Shaolin]

Mock Argentinian Line Up

                     Burgos


     Vivas           Ayala          Samuel


    Zanetti         Simeone          Sorin


                     Veron


    Ortega           Crespo          C.Gonzalez


</pre><hr></blockquote>

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
He varies his position, but he normally is in the hole.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the 3 hole players in bielsa's squad are aimar, gallardo and ortega - veron plays in the centre of the 3, with zanetti one side of him, simeone or juan pablo sorin the other. aimar is first choice to start in the hole, with claudio lopez, kily gonzalez and one of batistuta or crespo in the 3 up front.

veron does have pretty much a free reign in the 3 however, often dropping deep to pick up posession from the defence. . .

 

[Sambora]

the hole is behind the front 3

 

[mancred]

 

[Sambora]

how about

barthez
thuram ferdinand silvestre
beckham keane p.neville
veron
di danio ruud giggs

bex and phil track back

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Sambora:
<strong>how about

barthez
thuram ferdinand silvestre
beckham keane p.neville
veron
di danio ruud giggs

bex and phil track back</strong><hr></blockquote>
Latest, and obvious, news is that ferdinand is a no-no. But modify it slightly
barthez
thuram ayala bridges
beckham keane silvestre
veron
di danio ruud giggs

 

[jedi master yoda]

bloody hell....we do have a certain paul scholes, people.....bunch of f***** w******

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
<strong>bloody hell....we do have a certain paul scholes, people.....bunch of f***** w****** </strong><hr></blockquote>

Who?

 

[Sambora]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Latest, and obvious, news is that ferdinand is a no-no. But modify it slightly
barthez
thuram ayala bridges
beckham keane silvestre
veron
di danio ruud giggs</strong><hr></blockquote>


okay then, last one

barthez
thuram ferdinand bridges
beckham keano silvestre
veron
scholes ruud giggs

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Sambora:
<strong>


okay then, last one

barthez
thuram ferdinand bridges
beckham keano silvestre
veron
scholes ruud giggs</strong><hr></blockquote>

I like that, but with Ayala in the middle rather than Ferdinand.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I like that, but with Ayala in the middle rather than Ferdinand.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree

Re: scholes, personally I'd rather sell veron than do this to our formation just to fit veron in, and I wasn't about to butcher this formation to fit scholes into it. Scholes is now effectively understudy to veron, which imo sucks, but I'm not the manager.

 

[jedi master yoda]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I like that, but with Ayala in the middle rather than Ferdinand.</strong><hr></blockquote>

bloody hell....we do have a certain david may, people.....bunch of f***** w******

 

[Sambora]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I like that, but with Ayala in the middle rather than Ferdinand.</strong><hr></blockquote>

me thinks two langauges at the back (english and french) is more than enough. even though ayala is a rock.

 

[Roy]

It's hardly 3-3-1-1 tho...

It's a basic 5-3-2/3-5-2 formation with Sorin and and Zanetti as two attacking wing-backs...

As we don't have such wing-backs, this formation wouldn't suit us..

And also, it seems quite daft trying to fit a whole team to play in a formation that might suit one player..

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>
And also, it seems quite daft trying to fit a whole team to play in a formation that might suit one player..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Try telling Alex that

 

[mu77]

3-2-3-2 what the hell!

GN/WB ayala MS

RK NB/PS

DB JSV RG

OGS RVN

or 4 -3 -2 -1. or fuc7 it 1-2-3-4 - defend that. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[PhillipVIII]

_____________Burgos__________

____Vivas____Ayala____Samuel

Zanetti____Simeone_____ Sorin

____________Veron____________

____&lt;-Ortega________C. Lopez-&gt;

_____________Crespo__________

the back 3 will be closer to the center. the mid field will consist of 4 for Veron will come back always. Ortega and Lopez will do the wing bit as much as central L/R with Crespo as the point man.

 

[kemo]

-----------------Barthez----------------------

-----Ayala---------Blanc--------Thuram------------

-----Beckham--------Keane---------Silvestre

------------------Veron/Scholes----------------

----------Rivaldo---------------Giggs----------
--------------Van Nistelrooy----------------
Untouchale!

 

[golden_blunder]

Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>And also, it seems quite daft trying to fit a whole team to play in a formation that might suit one player..</strong><hr></blockquote>

well fecking said Roy. If we've learned one thing from last season, its that United play best in the 4-4-2 formation. I hope Fergie doesnt dick around with it next year, just to fit one player into it.
Could any of you honestly advocate playing 3 at the back in the premiership?? we'd have more holes than a tetley tea bag

 

[JOBT]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Seems to be good in internationals for argentina, but probably not so good in EPL. I haven't got CM so I wouldn't know, perhaps you could tell me? </strong><hr></blockquote>

tell you what ?

of course its good for the argi's thats where YOU stole the idea <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
and i agree AS I SAID originally it probably wouldn't work so well in the PREMIERSHIP.

so yourself

 

[True Treble Reds]

feck what Argentina do, that's their style and they've played it for years, more power to them ('cept aginst Engerrland like!).

4-4-2 folks, that's the United way.

- - - - - - - Fab - - - - - - -
Gaz - Ayala - Thuram - Micky
Bex - Seba - - Keano - Giggsy
- - - - Ole - - - Ruud - - - -

with this group as back-up/rotation.

- - - - - - - Roy - - - - - - -
Wes - - JohnO - Larry - - Phizza
Chad's - Gingah - Nicky - Costa
- - - Diego - - - - new #9 - - -

That means 3 players (2 CB's + #9) bought in.

Roles defined for the season (injuries allowing) and the trophies are ours again <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Sambora:
<strong>how about

barthez
thuram ferdinand silvestre
beckham keane p.neville
veron
di danio ruud giggs

bex and phil track back</strong><hr></blockquote>



Is it only me, or does anyone else find the total lack of loyalty to present players just a tad offensive, not to mention unfair and ungrateful.

 

[Floyd]

United with three defenders?

<img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

 

[giggzy]

next season:


.................Fab


Gazza/Wes - Blanc - Thuram/Rio- Silvestre

Becks - Scholes/Seba - Keano - Giggs

............Ole

...................Ruud.


i would like us to buy a young striker that poses a different threat to Ole and Ruud, incase teams become impossible to breakdown.. liverpool, Arsenal and a few others defended in packs agianst us, especially at OT.. lets hope we counter that prob next season, which is as important as improving our defensive play.. (i don't totally blame the defense, our team is VERY attack minded and is always prone to a swift counter)

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>next season:


i would like us to buy a young striker that poses a different threat to Ole and Ruud, incase teams become impossible to breakdown.. liverpool, Arsenal and a few others defended in packs agianst us, </strong><hr></blockquote>


We definitely need strike cover, but there will still be matches when we won't score - it's no good reaching for the unattainable. And no striker in the world will score regularly without good service from midfield.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


We definitely need strike cover, but there will still be matches when we won't score - it's no good reaching for the unattainable. And no striker in the world will score regularly without good service from midfield.</strong><hr></blockquote>


the problem is its always against the better clubs ie liverpool, arsenal... and bayern last season.. when teams come with a defensive plan. we don't look capable enough to break them down.. i reckon someone like Ronaldo can make a difference.. i'd love us to get him on loan...if possible...

IMO..its more important we solve this problem than the defence...

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>


the problem is its always against the better clubs ie liverpool, arsenal... and bayern last season.. when teams come with a defensive plan. we don't look capable enough to break them down.. i reckon someone like Ronaldo can make a difference.. i'd love us to get him on loan...if possible...

IMO..its more important we solve this problem than the defence...</strong><hr></blockquote>


No way!! We scored enough goals to win the league last year. Draws against the top teams would have done it I think.

And £28million was spent on Veron to unlock defences and that didn't work - so why would it work with anyone else.

Keano had it right when he said that good players don't necessarily make a good team.

Imo, we need a strong unit at the back, protected by a well organised midfield who can create for the front two.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


No way!! We scored enough goals to win the league last year. Draws against the top teams would have done it I think.

Imo, we need a strong unit at the back, protected by a well organised midfield who can create for the front two.</strong><hr></blockquote>

we scored enough goals last year, yet we need an organised midfield that can supply opportunities for the front two?

BTW does an organised midfield mean wingers staying out wide???

we need another player in the box with better movement.. maybe a player that can run at defenders... a player like Ronaldo, Cisse or Henry...

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

we scored enough goals last year, yet we need an organised midfield that can supply opportunities for the front two?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Against Liverpool and Arsenal the midfield were nullified. But it wouldn't have mattered if we'd prevented them from scoring.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

Against Liverpool and Arsenal the midfield were nullified. But it wouldn't have mattered if we'd prevented them from scoring.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well, it wasn't just the midfield..our strikers were also shut out....

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

well, it wasn't just the midfield..our strikers were also shut out....</strong><hr></blockquote>

But spending a lot of money has no guarantees. The team has to operate as a single, strong unit, regardless of the personnel.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

But spending a lot of money has no guarantees. The team has to operate as a single, strong unit, regardless of the personnel.</strong><hr></blockquote>

sigh.

i agree..but based on what i've seen, we need an extra dimension up front...


maybe a new young maradona (joke)