25 million for giggs - tricky one

Originally posted by Dominant:
<strong>judging from the number of people in this thread who agreed that giggs should be sold before his value dropped.

Personally, i would never wanted to see him go</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are missing the point. It's not about his value dropping, he is going to go in the not too distant future anyway.

Face it, a player who relies on speed and agility has a sell-by date more than anyone else. Eric woke up one day and realised he was starting to dip so he stopped. Even in that respect he was great, we didn't have to discuss it, argue, feel unloyal or (worse) play him out of loyalty once he was past it. He just walked out. But then, that left us ill-prepared to facing this conundrum. There's nothing as sad as the impotence of a player being past it both for the player and those who saw him in his prime (Batistuta last night anyone?).

What makes more sense, saying we shouldn't take 25m because it's not enough to replace him or face the same problem two years down the line (if that) without the 25m?

Should we risk a replacement fitting into his role now, or a few years down the line when we also face the same issue with many others?

To be a great team you need to manage long term and waiting for the core players to retire/grow old at exactly the same time is stupid.
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Originally posted by LarVer:
<strong>How can you even think of selling ryan?
first, this man embodies this team achivements.
Second, if he goes, say goodbye to becks, scholes and our othr icons.

not for sale until he is 40, period.</strong><hr></blockquote>

First - But this team needs a shake up if we are going to close the gap again in the Premiership

Second - Just because Ruan leaves doesn't neccassarily mean that other will follow him out of the door. When Eric left a lot of people said he would be followed by more players but it didn't happen.

We have to be realistic, £25 million is a lot of money. Man Utd are a plc, its naive to think that we are just a football club we are a business.
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Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>To be a great team you need to manage long term and waiting for the core players to retire/grow old at exactly the same time is stupid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly.
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Originally posted by nayr:
<strong>Hi, this is my first post. I usually just enjoy reading all your postings </strong><hr></blockquote>

Into voyeurism eh?

But I agree with what you said. Which is why I could never be a football manager. I want to keep Giggs because he epitomises Manchester United.
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Some dilemma points to consider.
I think everybody ideally would love to see him stay at United. But everyone wants a consistent Giggs, who when others are underperforming he takes games by the scruff of the neck and shows us what he can do. For the last two seasons we have not however seen that enough.
1. People are willing to hold onto Giggs because in one moment he can produce a piece of genius to turn a game. They are holding on to that fact for dear life.
2. Those one moments of magic are becoming less frequent to say the least.
3. Who do you get you replace Giggs? There is no one people say. Now I'm sure Arsenal fans thought this when Wenger sold Overmars. But he did bring in Pires. There are players out there if you have the eye fo what you want and the scouts. I don't think it is valid to say Giggs is irreplaceable. At his BEST he is irreplaceable, but at the moment????
4. Fans seem to keep saying "his form will improve, the Giggsy of old will be back". What will bring about this change, competition for his place, a transfer, being dropped? If things stay as they are what possible reason is there for Giggs to show us what he is capable of.
When the chips were down against Basle who stood up to be counted.....RUUD, OLLY, Giggs...I don't think so.
 
Originally posted by Veedey:
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United is a successful business so why can we sell our core assets?</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you wanna talk in business terms. Giggs is a liquid asset who's value is diminishing.

Or

To put it simply £25million is too good an offer to turn down. As much as i admire what Ryan has acheived you need to be objective. If we do get an offer of £25million it is likely to be the last chance we'll get to get that sort of money for Giggs. If we turn this down we have to accept that giggs will finish his career with us. Although he is still playing well he's not at the level he was a few years ago. i'd love to be able to say that he is going to get back to the level he was at 2 years ago, but i doubt it. He's 30, his pace will start to go and he is likely to pick up more injuries.
I just think that the money we could get for him could buy us 3 or 4 top quality players.
Everyone said Arsenal were mad to let Overmars and Petit go but although it has taken them a few years it has proved to be excellent business. They have brought in players like Pires & Ljundberg.
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You have a valid business point here, and you are probably right about ryan's future, and the ability to cash on him now.
However, i do think that if he's sold, then other icon players will follow. Remember - eric retired, he was not sold - that is a significant difference.
Oviously emotions on Ryan are very strong, but being realistic selling him is a start of a huge shake-up, and i am not sure that this team is ready for that.
AF has plans we hear, and he can easily sell gigsy, but this one special - very special.
I think there is more likehood that he will be sold if we have a good season.
 
As much as we all love Ryan & without question he is a world class player, he has lost something....but a good test to see if he will be sold will be on his performance against Juve..he always has a storming game against them. I know its only 1 game, but i believe we will see if we still have the 'real Giggsy'..if he's not back to his best by then, i do think the £'s will be to attractive to the money men.

Personnaly i'd love him to stay & think he will,to say he's lost the 'magic' since the Arse-nil game is far to shallow,name any player in any league EVER that produces that game in game out - it just don't happen..a bit to spoilt by success some people <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
A bit spoilt by success are you sure - Im sure a few people were upset when Kanchelskis went but hey Becks has filled that role nicely. and isnt success what its all about if not why is everyone so pissed that the Brookside lovers are above us.
Dans your a bit of a prick arent ya <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
i am only commenting on comments made that his last piece of magic was in the semi cup final against the Arse-nil..... To think he could provide us 'magic' every game is b@@@@@ks...sure you understand, correct in your thoughts though, as kan kan was a personal fave player of mine - but we all know who came along when he left :)

anway, still plenty of the season left & we look like were gaining momentum for the 'run of old' after xmas when we play much better !!
 
Demonisher - please explain because you've managed to lose several people in this thread with your first comment.
 
Originally posted by LarVer:
<strong>However, i do think that if he's sold, then other icon players will follow. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't want icons who are willing to leave us just because Ryan leaves. What the feck kind of logic is that?

Fact is, we had a golden generation who will need replacement at some point. Just look at the experience of a crumbling golden-oldies Portuguese squad...

We won't have a one-off shake up but we need a gradual one. If other players want to leave because Ryan is no longer with them it will only make it easier and less traumatic to be honest.
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Some people should really reconsider there thoughts. How would it be if we were to get rid of some of you who like to jump on the Man Utd bashing bandwagon everytime we lose a game??? what if we lost our loyalty just because some fans faith wasn't as strong as it was in 90/91'???

I am quite distraught to think many of you will be doing the same to all of our lads as soon as they show signs of faultering. Funny to think, that when Ryan Giggs " does meet " your expectations again...that so many will be singing a different tune.
 
RedCafe only like a winner. Notice how this site had Giggs in the top left until he had a few average games and Ruud started scoring, and now look who's at the top. Criminal. ;)
 
Originally posted by BestGiggs:
<strong> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />


Some people should really reconsider there thoughts. How would it be if we were to get rid of some of you who like to jump on the Man Utd bashing bandwagon everytime we lose a game??? what if we lost our loyalty just because some fans faith wasn't as strong as it was in 90/91'???

I am quite distraught to think many of you will be doing the same to all of our lads as soon as they show signs of faultering. Funny to think, that when Ryan Giggs " does meet " your expectations again...that so many will be singing a different tune.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're way to sentimental mate!
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Originally posted by BestGiggs:
<strong> Some people should really reconsider there thoughts. How would it be if we were to get rid of some of you who like to jump on the Man Utd bashing bandwagon everytime we lose a game???</strong><hr></blockquote>

Two weeks ago I would have stayed away from this thread but not now. It's not meant to be a player-bashing thread but one based on a very realistic concern: Keane, Giggs, Ole, Gaz, Becks, Scholes... FFS, even Veron, they will have to be replaced at some point -roughly the same point in the not too distant future being the worrying factor- and we don't seem to be capable of doing that (be it the youngsters not being half as good, or both them or any potential replacements not getting the chances to break into the team).

We do not see it as something we would like happening but some (not all) have a greater concern about the consequences of that NOT happening.
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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If you wanna talk in business terms. Giggs is a liquid asset who's value is diminishing.

Or

If we do get an offer of £25million it is likely to be the last chance we'll get to get that sort of money for Giggs. </strong><hr></blockquote>

But who knows how many we would lose in terms of consumer loyalty, if we sold him.
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Originally posted by Veedey:
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But who knows how many we would lose in terms of consumer loyalty, if we sold him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If your talking about the fans thenquite frankley if they are going to stop supporting united if we sold Giggsy, then they aren't fans.

Why does everyone assume Becks et al will leave if Giggsy goes. It could work the other way, they may see it as showing them that no-one is indispensible to the club, and they have to continually earn the right to wear the united jersey.
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If Ryan has lost his pace or whatever it is that is supposed to be wrong with him, what makes you think Juventus or Inter are going to shell out 25m for his services ?
 
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