'When Britain sends its people, they are not sending their best'
'Let's not make a big deal about things going back to where it was 50 years ago'. Fvcking hell. So why stop there? Repeal the 19th and the 13th when you are at it.
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'When Britain sends its people, they are not sending their best'
'Let's not make a big deal about things going back to where it was 50 years ago'. Fvcking hell. So why stop there? Repeal the 19th and the 13th when you are at it.
There is nothing more satisfying that watching Piers crash and burn on his own show. So many left leaning people have taken him to the cleaners - Cohen, Parkman, Mehdi, Hasan Abi, Destiny etc. He comes across as so dumb and a sneaky racist.
He only makes one argument over and over again to every single guest - oh is it right to call Trump the next Hitler when he killed 12m people. Literally no one on the left called him the next hitler - they called him a fascist. But he ignores the fact that only JD called him the next hitler.
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That scream
Brilliant.
This is what you call sophistication? This is just them looking out for their own selfish interests. That Trump supporter who has 200 employees is a millionaire so he is pissed about having to pay an extra 6-7% in corporate taxes and the fact that people are joining unions. Thats not “sophisticated”. Call it as it is - Selfish!
Ok well this isnt a new situation. Multiple presidents have had this problem and it’s not going away in the next 4 years. It isn’t a new problem that Biden created. Btw let’s talk about deportation of illegal immigrants - Obama and Biden have deported more illegal aliens than Trump did. Trump deported 1.5m illegals. Obama deported 3m illegals and Biden has deported more than the 1.5m that Trump deported.
Again this isn’t sophistication - this is backward belief based on “god”. This whole 6 week abortion ban is ridiculous cause some of the women wont know if they are pregnant until week 8.
I come back to this point - they are doing it all of selfish interests. Ask them to name one policy of his and they won’t be able to cause he isn’t running on one.
You are allowed to have a beer with whoever you like but this isn’t any normal election. If McCain or Romney was running I’d prolly vote for them over Harris but this is a fascist running and you don’t vote for this man especially after the rhetoric they have heard.
This rhetoric isn’t even half the problem. Half of them prolly don’t give a shit about Project 2025 or the fact that Musk and RFK Jr are going to be so involved in the admin. There is so much harm that is going to be done in the next 4 years and they are fine voting for a fascist cause they get to save a few bucks on taxes? I find that completely ridiculous.
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Last Marist poll for the Midwest, probably one more round of Sun Belt and/or national.
Essentially same as other in terms of it being a MoE race, but has Harris hitting 50 in all 3.
This pretty powerful! Hope a lot Americans see this!
He has a point. And this is it: the politicians which send soldiers to war, barring a few (there are some in American history, or a decent amount, as per Rome, which were within the military apparatus as soldiers or generals or whatever else: JFK as a soldier, Eisenhower as a general, and McCain as a soldier, etc.) have never been to war and would never go and do what it is they ask other people to go and do.
He expresses it in typical Trump terms, though, which is easy to misinterpret as a threat.
It obviously wasn't all the PLO wanted and there wasn't much detail on how Gaza would be dealt with under any agreement, but compared to now and what has transpired since it doesn't look half bad.remember, this is the guy who supposedly gave the PLO a good deal which they were fools to reject
Which is all irrelevant now and Clinton and almost everyone else should probably shut the feck up, as they are neither helping Harris nor helping the current situation in Gaza.
He doesn't have a point because it was very much meant to be a threat (even if it could also have the meaning you ascribe to it) to pander to his base. And even if true the irony coming from the orange draft dodger is .....
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He can make that point directly about Dick Cheney, the fact that he pivoted to threatening a woman says a lot about how his mind work.
And I'm not giving these fecks any leeway, remember the kerfuffle about Biden saying 'let's put him under the bull's eye (of public opinion)' after Butler and MAGA cried foul? Two can play at that game.
Don't give the MagaTs these ideas, I'm sure many of them are onboard.
Nah that was a very self serving narrative for Clinton. The proposed Palestinian state would be cut up in multiple pieces by Israeli settlements, with no access to the Jordan valley, they would live effectively under constant surveillance, just less severe than what it has been since (which is a siege). That's a viable shit deal, but still a shit deal.
It was, and is always going to be, a shit deal and I doubt any deal in my lifetime (if it happens) will be anywhere near as "good".
In fact the PLO were well on the road to accepting it, subject to clarification of details, or at least hadn't rejected it possibly yet (although they must have known that delay would kill any deal), but the US and Israeli elections ended that possibility so we will never know I guess.
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No quibble with the hypocrisy. I do think, and Ill catch flac for it here, which is what it is, that Trump will make some form of peace in Ukraine. In the news, apparently, he also has (and this could be Michigan polling data target: Arab population) told Bibi that the war has to come to an end by the time he takes office (if he wins),
Not being American, or having to suffer the direct consequences of the right being in power, I'm not going to lie - I would take that over anything Harris is offering (strictly in foreign policy terms, as an outsider looking in).
Aside from that, all the problems with Trump everyone here has (it is a long list) I also share, but I'm being foreign policy lensed here. Won't pretend otherwise.
He could have just said what I said without mentioning either Cheney. I do not disagree.
By giving Putin what he wants. Trump loves himself a maniacal tyrant.
Who will tell him to go feck himself just as he has been doing to Biden. Unless Trump bribes him with many many billions of dollars.
Trump would be a fecking disaster for the world in so may ways for all of us and will make both the Ukrainian and Palestinian issue far far worse, both now and in the future.
I wouldn't vote for him, wibble, but I could not vote for Harris under any circumstances because of what has transpired in Gaza and the money that admin has given to Bibi when they should, as historicaly happened, turned that "aid" off until he was either deposed (as will happen eventually) or came back into something like an orthodox line. The result has been an American aided genocide. I can only vote my conscious - that precludes anyone from that admiinistration even though I know what Trump did in his last administration. I see it all as a more macro American-Israeli thing at any rate and thus Id vote third party and ignore all the people, dem or gop, who tell me I'm wrong to do so. Indeed, a third party - over a generation, minimally, I'll admit - is exactly what the Americans need.
Just on Ukraine. Putin has what he wants. There is no giving it to him at this point. The map has not changed (troop consolidation in the heavily russian areas) over two years now. And Russian business is consolidating infrastructrually in the south and the east. Something has to give. You only get that by negotiation. War will do nothing at this point. It is stalemate and that won't change much imo. Just more people dying needlessly. Don't want to derail so I won't answer responses and I stay away from that primary thread for exactly the same reason. Not to irritate people.
I'd vote for Harris because the only other choice is not voting, which I consider immoral, or voting for Trump, which is worse still. In terms of Gaza voting for Trump won't improve anything and almost certainly will make it much worse (what doesn't he make worse?).
Putin doesn't have what he wants at all. Trump would probably just give him victory on a plate (or try to). Putin's defeat and utter humiliation (preferably) is what the world needs, a negotiated defeat for Ukraine is a terrible idea. Not least because it will embolden Putin for further expansionism and invasion.
We will never agree on the second line and so we're best off avoiding it. On the first, I understand you completely.
Far more powerful than just listening to Trump and Harris slating each other
What’s the other thing?
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Any chance of a storm across all the swing states come Tue? 
Piers is so disingenuous. He is back on talking terms with Trump and, lo and behold, he is now praising him again and criticising everything Kamala does.
Vance is such a slime. I almost want him to lose as much as I do Trump.
Rogan is the voice of reason here… tell you all you need to know.
The GOP might think that only women are concerned about these issues. NO. I have a daughter, and it’s my obligation to protect her. The GOP have pissed me off with their talk about abortion, IVF and healthcare more generally.
Abortion in general should be framed as the biggest economic issue for both women and men because the cost of raising a child/child support will have a bigger effect on your personal finance than any temporary tax cuts, for the vast majority of people. And if you have an unplanned one, your earning power can be severely limited in your most productive years due to work/edu opportunities.
IVF could cost $20,000.
Yes, and surrogacy can be even more.
That’s why I was utterly baffled that it took until the last 10 days of the election for a high profile Democratic surrogate to make that case (Michelle Obama) and it was very well received, so it must have tested well as well.
This kind of argument irks me. As if one of the major lessons of WW2 wasn’t that ordinary people are capable of propping up and even executing horrendous cruelty. Good, honest family people can do some terrible shit. Not saying Trump will set up camps, but yeah, this kind of argument is weak.
The ones who are pro life out of religious reasons should ask themselves why they are supporting a party that wants to supress sex ed and birth control when those are some of the best ways to lower abortion rates. They’re more motivated by self-interest and sanctimony than by actual concern for outcomes.
ive given up looking at polls. We are inundated with polls showing differing results from the same areas but impossible to know which to believe and which might be slanted one way or the other
100hrs of epstein audios released
Good summary of both parties
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remind me which day I will be calling in sick after pulling an all nighter?
November surprise?
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