I'm relishing the sight of every single one of them on a downfall.
2021 American Civil War
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Was always bound to happen. Social media has just greased the rails.
Anyone with better statistics knowledge care to summarize this article? So what's the conclusion here?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/07/07/states-federal-benefits/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/07/07/states-federal-benefits/
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About time
Good for her. Hope it sets her up for a couple of years or so…
I can sleep soundly tonight…
This guy likely truly believes what he's telling his audience. Thousands more feel the same way. Civil war thoughts are like their collective wet dream and they all believe the whole military is on their side.
I dont know the high ranks, but i have the perception than the soldiers would be more onthe republican side in a civil war
Perhaps, but most Republicans don't actually want a war. It's a large and vocal minority that do while most are horrified by the idea.
I doubt the Americans would mind a coup. The military industrial complex is such that it's been building to a point where it has to either take over or start to divest into a properly defensive apparatus with global reach (obvious American interests abroad but not worldwide hegemony). January 6th was like a symbolic version of that but partisan. They already sort of had a coup post-9/11 with the 20 departments of homeland security.
It's a weird one. Is it as divided as the media makes out is a question I'd like to see answered. It is very divided among those who are very political. But isn't "no vote" about 40% or more of the American ballot?
It's a weird one. Is it as divided as the media makes out is a question I'd like to see answered. It is very divided among those who are very political. But isn't "no vote" about 40% or more of the American ballot?
Don't know if this is the right thread for this but the United States is 136th (out of 196 states) in adult literacy. 86%.
Mexico at 96% or Israel at 97% are the closest things to developed nations as you move up the scale. It's on its own at sub-world-average in illiteracy. A lot of that is by design: South Africa is 99% and has had a far more recent apartheid regime than the United States. You wonder how the feck that's possible. Prison populations, intentional criminalization, and generational poverty never really dealt with because "socialism". Pay the price for that in elections and general body politic matters further on down the line when mad shit starts happening. Lumpenproleteriat, with guns and not a whole lot to lose, is fertile recruiting ground.
The EU nations, and even some South American, and basically most of the rest of the developed world, is >95%.
Then look at voter turnout. Tends to be about 54%. That's ridiculously low. 62% is the highest since 1960 when there was a legitimate aparatheid social program on the agenda. So something is happening, wherein the states are drifting apart, or not very happy with each other, which must be obvious to most Americans, and non-Americans who follow politics, but the numbers are insane. UK did average about 78% turnout with a weird drop post-Blair but still high 65%+. US is just alone in developed nations in so many of these metrics. Is it at 62% because it was framed as fight for American society? Or Covid? Or a mix of a bunch of shit? Dunno. Maybe youth turnout is up? Be interested to see where it is in 2028 (post-Trump). (Just a quick guess, Trump being in office and the news running Trump stories 24/7 probably forced the turnout up a little bit, agitating those who don't normally give a shit - complete guess).
| Guyana * | 88.5% | 87.2% | 89.8% | 2.6% | 2015 |
| Honduras * | 88.5% | 88.2% | 88.7% | 0.5% | 2019 |
| Eswatini * | 88.4% | 88.3% | 88.5% | 0.2% | 2018 |
| Vanuatu * | 87.5% | 88.3% | 86.7% | 1.6% | 2018 |
| Cape Verde * | 86.8% | 91.7% | 82.0% | 9.7% | 2015 |
| Zambia * | 86.7% | 90.6% | 83.1% | 7.5% | 2018 |
| World | 86.7% | 90.1% | 83.3% | 6.8% | 2020 |
| Zimbabwe * | 86.5% | 88.5% | 84.6% | 3.9% | 2015 |
| Syria * | 86.4% | 91.7% | 81.0% | 10.7% | 2015 |
| United States * | 86.0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| Iraq * | 85.6% | 91.2% | 79.9% | 11.3% | 2017 |
| Iran * | 85.5% | 90.4% | 80.8% | 9.6% | 2016 |
| Gabon * | 84.7% | 85.9% | 83.4% | 2.5% | 2018 |
| Laos * | 84.7% | 90.0% | 79.4% | 10.6% | 2015 |
| Belize * | 83.0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
Mexico at 96% or Israel at 97% are the closest things to developed nations as you move up the scale. It's on its own at sub-world-average in illiteracy. A lot of that is by design: South Africa is 99% and has had a far more recent apartheid regime than the United States. You wonder how the feck that's possible. Prison populations, intentional criminalization, and generational poverty never really dealt with because "socialism". Pay the price for that in elections and general body politic matters further on down the line when mad shit starts happening. Lumpenproleteriat, with guns and not a whole lot to lose, is fertile recruiting ground.
The EU nations, and even some South American, and basically most of the rest of the developed world, is >95%.
| 1996 | 196,789,000 | 186,347,044 | 96,390,000 | 49.0% | 51.7% |
| 2000 | 209,787,000 | 194,331,436 | 105,594,000 | 50.3% | 54.3% |
| 2004 | 219,553,000 | 203,483,455 | 122,349,000 | 55.7% | 60.1% |
| 2008 | 229,945,000 | 213,313,508 | 131,407,000 | 57.1% | 62.5% |
| 2012 | 235,248,000 | 222,474,111 | 129,235,000 | 53.8% | 58.0% |
| 2016 | 249,422,000 | 230,931,921 | 136,669,276 | 54.8% | 59.2% |
| 2020 | 257,605,088 | 239,247,182 | 159,690,457 | 62.0% | 66.9% |
Then look at voter turnout. Tends to be about 54%. That's ridiculously low. 62% is the highest since 1960 when there was a legitimate aparatheid social program on the agenda. So something is happening, wherein the states are drifting apart, or not very happy with each other, which must be obvious to most Americans, and non-Americans who follow politics, but the numbers are insane. UK did average about 78% turnout with a weird drop post-Blair but still high 65%+. US is just alone in developed nations in so many of these metrics. Is it at 62% because it was framed as fight for American society? Or Covid? Or a mix of a bunch of shit? Dunno. Maybe youth turnout is up? Be interested to see where it is in 2028 (post-Trump). (Just a quick guess, Trump being in office and the news running Trump stories 24/7 probably forced the turnout up a little bit, agitating those who don't normally give a shit - complete guess).
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Actively participating military is fairly split on the left/right scale, no more than 55/45 to either side with a significant percentage not claiming either party. It's far more diverse these days with persons enlisting with higher education, at older ages, and with more social awareness. It's the almost exclusively white male veterans and near retirement types, age 55+, that still favor the right wing side and, to be fair, are still a large collective number but one this is reducing through the obvious. I believe these two separate voting blocks often get lumped together which gives belief that "the military" are more to the right, which was probably true for many decades but nowhere near reality today from my perception. Active military and veteran women have trended to favor the Democratic nominee, except in 2016.
Perhaps 2016 and 2020 were outliers due to 1) 25 years of a RWNJ media hate campaign against Clinton, and 2) four years of absolute shit leadership from Trump that swung larger differences in both GEs.
https://nowthisnews.com/news/vetera...year-and-trump-wants-to-dump-military-ballots
-With the November election swiftly approaching, 37.4 percent of active-duty troops say they would vote for Donald Trump while 41.3 percent would opt for Joe Biden.-
- That is in stark contrast to a similar Military Times poll conducted in 2016 when 40.5 percent of service members said they would cast their vote for Trump compared to just 20.6 percent who would vote for Hillary Clinton. Noticeably there has been a steep decline in preference for a third party candidate. Back in 2016, 34.3 percent of service members said they would like to vote for a third party candidate and that fell to 12.8 percent by August of this year. -
https://news.gallup.com/poll/154904/veterans-give-romney-big-lead-obama.aspx
- The proportion of U.S. men who are armed forces veterans rises dramatically among those who are 60 and older. The military draft was in force in the U.S. from shortly before the U.S. entry into World War II until the early 1970s. A majority of men now 70 to 89 served in the military, including almost three-quarters of those aged 80 to 89. Less than a fifth of men younger than 50 have served in the military. There is little variation in military service among women across these age groups. -
https://news.gallup.com/poll/109654/veterans-solidly-back-mccain.aspx
-Veterans' affinity for the Republican Party is confirmed by the finding that 47% of those who have served in the military currently identify with or lean to the Republican Party while 39% identify with or lean to the Democratic Party. By comparison, 48% of all U.S. adults are Democratic in their party orientation and 37% are Republican. -
- Veterans are overwhelmingly male (91% of the veterans in the sample are men) and tend to be older (the majority are aged 50 or above). -
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And that is how you refute skewed personal perceptions. With good 'ol facts. Thanks for that
Most of the junior enlisted* I have managed the last decade seemingly detest politics. Most of them prefer their fitness and sports activities, gaming, and community outreach/volunteerism. Very few seem to care about politics. I don't ask if they vote and for who but I get a notion most would vote Democrat, third party, or not vote. In contrast, the older white male contingent are often vocal in their political preferences, especially the retired members turned civil service.
*Air Force - I can't speak to the other components. Air Force, Coast Guard, Navy and Space Force attract a different enlisting mindset compared to the Army and Marine Corps, and also require higher ASVAB scores.
I cant believe that Space Force became a really serious thing. fecking trump
I said the exact same thing the other day almost verbatim to you.
Great post. Thanks for that.
I do have a question though, if another coup was to happen albeit on a much larger scale, do you think that soldiers would take arms against each other as well as US citizens?!
I would like to think aside from a percentage of crazies on either side, that the vast majority wouldn't be able to shoot their brothers and sisters in arms nor their fellow countrymen and women, no matter the divide or disagreements over politics and ideology. Or is that just naive wishful thinking?
I would hope it's only a few crazies if it ever came to it, but the notion that not shooting at fellow countrymen, women etc is long gone, American's don't have any issues with shooting one another now, never mind in a revolution!
I'm not sure what would occur but there would most likely be immediate stand down/do not participate pushed down from top brass. Those that do would likely be prosecuted, assuming they live and there was no "victorious" side to carry out reprisals and rewards.
A larger scale coup or civil war would likely see some break ranks, perhaps the whole thing unravels. Will there be an immediate split along special operations teams, along general officers, within C2s across the spectrum, etc. What leaders and those with immediate access to weaponry will side with. For me, my worry would be who knows that I detest the GOP and its beliefs and thus will target me as soon as possible if not immediately. If that occurs then it is truly a dog eat dog world for however long, at that point one must be willing to kill without remorse and thought. Kill or be killed.
Not sure what to think irt taking armed action against citizens. It does become easier psychologically when a side is demonized as "the other", as far right types have been instilling with "satanists", "child abductors/blood drinkers", and so forth. These types are convinced liberals and Dems are no better than criminals, illegals, and terrorists. Perhaps I have demonized the far right but I do see them as a clear and present danger, they probably see me that way despite me never uttering anti-government nonsense and a willingness to topple the government and install my beliefs.
There's also a defensive response if per say militia types attempt to overrun an installation, or a political venue, or a city - would military be willing to kill. But some in that defensive posture may secretly or vocally approve so they stand down, or perhaps attack their fellow defenders to aid the invaders, or maybe they don't want this scenario to play out and kill the persons they share an ideology with.
It does give me something to ponder - surely there's an oplan or something specifically covering a civil war/coup that splits the armed forces amongst ideological/support lines.
To be honest, I really think that it went out of hand. It was a sore loser loud cry to wind up and mobilize the MAGAGOPERS for future elections. It kept building up till 6 Jan happened as a result but they never thought that DOJ would go so serious. Without the January 6th, I don't think that Trump would be judicialized for the Georgia trial and any overturn elections. That is why they have so much proof anywhere as everybody from Trump team thought that it would be just like another of the multiple Trump stunts to push the narrative. But they pushed too hard because they thought they were untouchable, and like the frog in the warming kettle, now there are multiple audios, videos and documents as they never thought that it would need to be a secret, just another day in delulu trumpland
Basically...
In the WH, like anywhere in power is just traffic of influences, family dynasties, power and money. RFK Jr the later example.
If you are competent and have contacts you don't want to be in politics as there are many other ventures more profitable and less visible. FFS, Herschel walker, how this guy was on the verge to be a Senator? then you have Feinstein that she doesn't fecking care. As much competent that she could be in the past, now she prefers to lose the slim democratic majority in the Senate just to stay in power and relevant instead of retiring. Boebert? MGT? This people are decisive in the management of the most powerful country in the world and has consequences for the world itself. I cross daily with people that just for the sole fact that they have common sense they would do a much better job
Another one being locked for a long time.
Biggs should consider himself lucky that the US doesn't have overseas penal colonies like the notorious Devil's Island from "Papillon" because people like him (i.e. the very worst of the worst among anti-government criminals) belong in such places.
Biggs should consider himself lucky that the US doesn't have overseas penal colonies like the notorious Devil's Island from "Papillon" because people like him (i.e. the very worst of the worst among anti-government criminals) belong in such places.
Can’t wait for Tarrio’s sentencing on the fifth. Prosecutors are aiming for 33 years.
Great flick
Doesn't Gitmo count? A white supremacist in with the Jihadist's would be his worst nightmare
It counts according to the basic definition, but the word Guantanamo does not strike as much fear in the minds of people as Île du Diable (or Devil's Island - the name of that prison island in "Papillon") still strikes even 71 years after its closure. And besides, Guantanamo has not received new inmates since 2007-2008.
Should have made a new exception for these insurrectionist assholes.