2021 American Civil War

calodo2003 said:
The more dangerous one is DeSantis. He is a Trump acolyte but he’s a much more savvy political despot.

I just don’t believe Trump will run again.
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It could be another of his grifts, I suppose. I think he's just about narcissistic enough to run, though. By all accounts he might actually believe the election was stolen from him, so what's to stop him from winning again, if they can only stop the globalists from cheating?

DeSantis would be scary for his own reasons, though.
 
Are Republicans that much of a cert to get in the next election? Do Americans feel that disenchanted with the Democrats/Biden/centre politics?
 
Irwin99 said:
Are Republicans that much of a cert to get in the next election? Do Americans feel that disenchanted with the Democrats/Biden/centre politics?
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Republicans will win the House, Dems could hold the senate.

Partial disenchantment, more so following an historical pattern.
 
Say the evidence are you're goddamn right i order the code red solid. What are they gonna do about trump? Arrest him for treason?

What's a realistic outcome out of this? If in the end trump would either be found not guilty? And what if he's found guilty?

My bet is that they'll just gonna either pin it on someone or just icebox the whole stuff on technicality.
 
What is going on with Luttig? Is this how he always talks or is he having a health issue? He looks and is talking like someone struggling with something.
 
Sky1981 said:
Say the evidence are you're goddamn right i order the code red solid. What are they gonna do about trump? Arrest him for treason?

What's a realistic outcome out of this? If in the end trump would either be found not guilty? And what if he's found guilty?

My bet is that they'll just gonna either pin it on someone or just icebox the whole stuff on technicality.
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The real term would be "sedition" as treason would mean grounds for selling out the country to a foreign power, which is what people convicted for espionnage do.

Trump can easily be found guilty when everything has been recorded and corroborated. It's all about whether or not prosecutors have the stomach to go all the way. If Trump is found guilty, I hope he gets locked in a prison located away from the continent, where he will die in total anonymity.

Should Trump be put on stand, he will try doing a circus like Saddam did. We all know how that went for Saddam though.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
The real term would be "sedition" as treason would mean grounds for selling out the country to a foreign power, which is what people convicted for espionnage do.

Trump can easily be found guilty when everything has been recorded and corroborated. It's all about whether or not prosecutors have the stomach to go all the way. If Trump is found guilty, I hope he gets locked in a prison located away from the continent, where he will die in total anonymity.

Should Trump be put on stand, he will try doing a circus like Saddam did. We all know how that went for Saddam though.
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Zero percent chance Trump spends any time in jail. The system is designed to protect people like him.
 
The thing is. Once Trump loses his electoral clout (if he does), there is a moment at which he will be devoured. His voters stand between him and the abyss. That’s why the ‘rip-off’ argument is so potent.
 
WI_Red said:
What is going on with Luttig? Is this how he always talks or is he having a health issue? He looks and is talking like someone struggling with something.
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I thought the same thing when he started speaking. I thought he was having a stroke.
 
DJ Jeff said:
Yeah mate nothing happened. Pull the other one :lol: A better tactic would be to shift to "well it was all absolutely justified".

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Again, half of the nation’s Capitol got razed by fire. :lol: Hell, that must mean Seattle & Portland aren’t even there anymore! Dear christ, such adolescent hyperbole.

Never heard that Milley story. You have a link?
 
calodo2003 said:
Again, half of the nation’s Capitol got razed by fire. :lol: Hell, that must mean Seattle & Portland aren’t even there anymore! Dear christ, such adolescent hyperbole.

Never heard that Milley story. You have a link?
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You clearly don't know shit about what you're talking about. I'm gonna duck out of this nonsense before the usual lefty suspects come in for the dogpile.
 
Where is @Raoul these days? The forensic dissembling of the plan, the strategy, is coming into view. What a book it will be. Ginny Thomas, her old man. Eastman, the Proud Boys. The Flynns. What a cast!
 
DJ Jeff said:
You clearly don't know shit about what you're talking about. I'm gonna duck out of this nonsense before the usual lefty suspects come in for the dogpile.
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Nice strategy:

1. Claim something exists
2. Someone asks you for link to said thing
3. Duck out before providing link to said thing and blame it on the lefties

I googled "Milley Memo DC Protests" (I tried riots too) and only found links for stuff around 1/6, so I too would love a link.
 
calodo2003 said:
One more time for posterity:

Half of DC was burning :lol:
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Here come the leftists
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The Select Committee to Investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, whose first of six televised hearings began last Thursday, is spectacle replacing politics. There is nothing substantially new in the accusations. The committee lacks prosecutorial power. No charges have been filed by Attorney General Merrick Garland against former President Donald Trump and none are expected.

The choreographed hearings, like the two impeachment trials of Trump, will have no effect on Trump voters, other than to make them feel persecuted, especially with more than 860 people already charged (including 306 guilty pleas) for their role in storming the Capitol. The committee echoes back to Trump opponents what they already believe. It is designed to present inaction as action and substitute role-playing for politics. It perpetuates, as Guy Debord writes, our “empire of modern passivity.”

The committee, which most Republicans boycotted, hired James Goldston, a documentary producer and former president of ABC News, to turn the hearings into engaging television with slick packaging and an array of pithy sound bites.

The result is, and was meant to be, politics as reality television, a media diversion that will change nothing in the dismal American landscape. What should have been a serious bipartisan inquiry into an array of constitutional violations by the Trump administration has been turned into a prime-time campaign commercial for a Democratic Party running on fumes. The epistemology of television is complete. So is its artifice.

The two established wings of the oligarchy, the old Republican Party represented by politicians such as Liz Cheney, one of two Republicans on the committee, and the Bush family, are now united with the Democratic Party elite into one ruling political entity.

“What should have been a serious bipartisan inquiry into an array of constitutional violations by the Trump administration has been turned into a prime-time campaign commercial for a Democratic Party running on fumes.”

The ruling parties were already in lock step for decades on the major issues, including: war, trade deals, austerity, the militarization of police, prisons, government surveillance and assaults on civil liberties. They worked in tandem to pervert and destroy democratic institutions on behalf of the rich and corporations. They desperately work together now to stave off the revolt by enraged and betrayed white working men and women who support Donald Trump and the far right.

Committee members cloyingly seek to sanctify themselves and their hearings by holding up the Constitution, democracy, the Founding Fathers, due process, the consent of the governed and the electoral process.

Bennie Thompson, chairman of the committee, talked about “domestic enemies of the Constitution who stormed the Capitol and occupied the Capitol, who sought to thwart the will of the people, to stop the transfer of power.” Liz Cheney called the Capitol “a sacred space in our constitutional republic.”

There was no acknowledgement by committee members that the “will of the people” has been subverted by the three branches of government to serve the dictates of the billionaire class. No one brought up the armies of lobbyists who are daily permitted to storm the Capitol to fund the legalized bribery of our elections and write the pro-corporate legislation that it passes. No one spoke about the loss of constitutional rights, including the right to privacy, because of wholesale government surveillance. No one mentioned the disastrous trade deals that have deindustrialized the country and impoverished the working class. No one spoke of the military fiascos in the Middle East that cost taxpayers over $8 trillion, the for-profit health care system that gouges the public and prevents a rational response to the pandemic, already resulting in over a million deaths, or the privatization of institutions of government, including schools, prisons, water treatment, trash collection, parking meters, utilities and even intelligence gathering, to enrich the billionaire class at our expense.


Spectacle Taking the Place of Politics


The gaping hole between the reality of what we have become, and the fiction of who we are supposed to be, is why spectacle is all the ruling class has left. Spectacle takes the place of politics. It is a tacit admission that all social programs, whether the Build Back Better Plan, a ban on assault weapons, raising the minimum wage, ameliorating the ravages of inflation or instituting environmental reforms to stave off the climate emergency, will never be implemented. Those who occupy the “sacred space” of “our constitutional republic” are capable only of pouring money into war, allocating $54 billion to Ukraine and passing ever higher military budgets to enrich the arms industry.

The wider the gap becomes between the ideal and the real, the more the proto fascists, who look set to take back the Congress in the fall, will be empowered. If the rational, factual world does not work, why not try one of the many conspiracy theories? If this is what democracy means, why support democracy?

The right-wing also communicates through spectacle. What were the four years of the Trump presidency but one vast spectacle? Spectacle versus spectacle. The aesthetic of spectacle, as in the dying days of the Roman Empire or Tsarist Russia, is all that is left. “Our politics, religion, news, athletics, education and commerce have been transformed into congenial adjuncts of show business,” Neil Postman writes in Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business. The current ruling class, blinded by their hubris and pomposity, however, is not very good at it.

more at https://consortiumnews.com/2022/06/13/chris-hedges-society-of-spectacle/
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interesting analysis of american politics as decadent spectacle. seems about right following four years of trump and two into biden.
 
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