2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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berbatrick said:


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The safe choice:

Crime Bill
Bankruptcy Bill
War Vote
Mental Decline
NAFTA
etc etc etc

The dangerous choice:

"Did you know that the government uses taxation to provide government services, in certain circles that's defined as socialism"

It's such a hard choice. :smirk:;):lol:
 
berbatrick said:
i've been extremely nice to 2 warren people online and i want a treat and someone to scream at.
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To be somewhat serious about the whole - ''If you want me to care about the poor then you'd better be nice to me'' of the Warren people online, they are going through a crisis of ideology, due to the utter failure of the Warren campaign(Talking the Super PAC money was a pretty big deal) and how she ultimately has helped someone like Biden(The guy that wrote Bankruptcy Bill)

Zizek -

The Ultimate illusion: ideology is not simply imposed on ourselves. Ideology is our spontaneous relation to our social world, how we perceive each meaning and so on and so on. We, in a way, enjoy our ideology. To step out of ideology, it hurts. It’s a painful experience. You must force yourself to do it.
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All of the ''Allow yourself the space to grieve, and be angry, and be numb. Take the time. Take all of it that you need'', ''Warren should be given some time before endorsing'', girl boss shite is just Warren supporters enjoying their ideology and their reluctancy to back Bernie is them not wanting to step out of their ideology because while we can debate what 21st century ''Democratic Socialism'' actually means, at the very least it's a view that the current system can only be improved when working class americans organise to fight against it and for Warren supporters that will be a painful experience to admit.
 
WPMUFC said:
The safe choice:

Crime Bill
Bankruptcy Bill
War Vote
Mental Decline
NAFTA
etc etc etc

The dangerous choice:

"Did you know that the government uses taxation to provide government services, in certain circles that's defined as socialism"

It's such a hard choice. :smirk:;):lol:
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It's not like Bernie is squeaky clean.

He voted for the crime bill.
He voted for Afghanistan invasion.
Castro/Ortega/Chavez (Florida is a swing state except with Bernie)
Rape fantasy essays
Referendum on socialism instead of referendum on Trump
 
WPMUFC said:
The safe choice:

Crime Bill
Bankruptcy Bill
War Vote
Mental Decline
NAFTA
etc etc etc

The dangerous choice:

"Did you know that the government uses taxation to provide government services, in certain circles that's defined as socialism"

It's such a hard choice. :smirk:;):lol:
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Sanders also voted for the Crime Bill.

He voted against the law that created national background checks on handgun purchases and for two bills to make gun manufacturers immune from lawsuits when their guns are used in crimes.
 
Boycott said:
It's not like Bernie is squeaky clean.

He voted for the crime bill.
He voted for Afghanistan invasion.
Castro/Ortega/Chavez (Florida is a swing state except with Bernie)
Rape fantasy essays
Referendum on socialism instead of referendum on Trump
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Yep, bernie has a huge amount of issues in a GE. But the defining aspect of this nomination process has been about Biden (or moderate X) being the safe choice over someone that wants to increase public spending and taxation because that will be used to run ad's about Socialism.

The entire narrative has been "Sanders will spend 50 trillion dollars for government programs....we need a safe choice."

I'm mocking the idea that Biden or any of the moderates are inherently the safer choice. In fact Biden is probably the "least safe" moderate they could've gone with.
 
will Biden and Sanders debate one-on-one at some point?

I don't see much hope for Sanders but you'd expect he's capable of building some momentum in a 1v 1 race vs sleepy Joe
 
Tarrou said:
will Biden and Sanders debate one-on-one at some point?

I don't see much hope for Sanders but you'd expect he's capable of building some momentum in a 1v 1 race vs sleepy Joe
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Not until the 15th, which is after another major round of primaries. Will probably be too late by then.
 
Raoul said:
The two aren't mutually exclusive. He hasn't been a Dem throughout his entire political career and could've just as easily ran for Prez as an independent, but he instead opted to use the apparatus of the Democratic party to advance his goals. He shouldn't therefore be surprised when actual Dems (aka establishment Dems to Sanders supporters) push back on him taking over the party they have spent years investing in.
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So if he ran as an Independent, Democrats wouldn’t do anything against him? You don’t seriously think that do you?
 


Wow, 2016 Joe Biden is not only coherent and mentally aware but borderline BernieBro :lol: @2:59 if the timestamp isn't working.
 
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Boycott said:
It's not like Bernie is squeaky clean.

He voted for the crime bill.
He voted for Afghanistan invasion.
Castro/Ortega/Chavez (Florida is a swing state except with Bernie)
Rape fantasy essays
Referendum on socialism instead of referendum on Trump
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You have never read it I presume.
 
Why is Biden so popular and getting so many nominations? He appears to be such a weak candidate and public speaker based on what I've seen. Wouldn't Trump fancy his chances against him?
 
fishfingers15 said:
Not to mention sell out, bitch etc. AOC has been termed as a clout chaser by Eboue because she didn't endorse Sanders early. Stupid but hey what can you do. When you want pureblood, you need pureblood
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We dont owe politicians anything. They owe us. Politicians aren't your friend or your abusive ex or your absent father. They work for us.

Warren is a lying ass snake.
 
Sweet Square said:
Hold on do people really think the snake memes effected real politics ?
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no but it gives them the moral superiority high ground. Never forget that Hillary Clinton started this "Bro" thing when she called Obama supporters "Obama Boys" :eek::eek: in 2008.
 
berbatrick said:
Centrism, rational and evidence-based

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And this is the crux. You think Bernie is a twat Messiah: well fine, you think Biden has a better chance against agent orange: well fine. But it's the snide, self-interest commentary, in the face of genuine suffering that I find so fecking galling.

Even as a bitter, unreasonable idealist I can concede that the numbers don't add up for Bernie-Med or Labour or whoever, but as a try-to-be human being, I'll never understand the glee of the "moderate" opposition. (Trump, Hopkins trolling is much easier to understand).
 
Stop me if you heard this one before.... so a orange doofus, a old senile man and a jew promising free healthcare walk into a political election....

Seriously, this country deserves everything it gets if the Dems go for senile Biden because one of 2 possible outcomes that are just as bad as eachother could unfold and that's Trump keeping the throne for another 4 years and thus triple down on doing whatever he wants or President Biden sleepwalks his way into a Presidency not knowing what policy he just unfurled.
 
I actually feel bad for Biden. He is what, 78? Should be golfing and enjoying his retirement, instead he is about to get bullied and humiliated by Trump. He doesn't look mentally up for it, they really should impose some age limits for presidential bids. Imagine a 78 years old dude going to an interview seeking a high position in a big company, never gonna happen. And here he is auditioning for the most important job in the world.
 
dumbo said:
And this is the crux. You think Bernie is a twat Messiah: well fine, you think Biden has a better chance against agent orange: well fine. But it's the snide, self-interest commentary, in the face of genuine suffering that I find so fecking galling.

Even as a bitter, unreasonable idealist I can concede that the numbers don't add up for Bernie-Med or Labour or whoever, but as a try-to-be human being, I'll never understand the glee of the "moderate" opposition. (Trump, Hopkins trolling is much easier to understand).
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This is redcafe, where we skew very much to the left. Apart from a very few posters, we all wanted Bernie Sanders to succeed. Some of us, me included want Trump not to be elected even if it means Biden getting elected. I'm not advocating Biden beat Sanders and get a shot at Trump but if Biden is the Dem nominee, then he should beat Trump. I'm not down with the 'Rather Trump than Biden' crowd
 
WPMUFC said:


When hillary didn't campaign in certain states for the GE at least i could say it was out of hubris because of the opponent she had. This guy, i'd actually want kept off the campaign trail. YIKES!!
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As per the NYT:

“Any suggestion that Mr. Biden is now a risk-free option would appear to contradict the available evidence. He is no safer with a microphone, no likelier to complete a thought without exaggeration or bewildering detour.”

“He has not, as a 77-year-old man proudly set in his ways, acquired new powers of persuasion or management in the 72 hours since the first primary state victory of his three presidential campaigns.

“Mr. Biden has blundered this chance before — the establishment front-runner; the last, best hope for moderates — fumbling his initial 2020 advantages in a hail of disappointing fund-raising, feeble campaign organization and staggering underperformance.”
 
dumbo said:
And this is the crux. You think Bernie is a twat Messiah: well fine, you think Biden has a better chance against agent orange: well fine. But it's the snide, self-interest commentary, in the face of genuine suffering that I find so fecking galling.

Even as a bitter, unreasonable idealist I can concede that the numbers don't add up for Bernie-Med or Labour or whoever, but as a try-to-be human being, I'll never understand the glee of the "moderate" opposition. (Trump, Hopkins trolling is much easier to understand).
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rejoicing in failure of things you supposedly think are good!

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bidenbruhs.
 
Giggs86 said:
I actually feel bad for Biden. He is what, 78? Should be golfing and enjoying his retirement, instead he is about to get bullied and humiliated by Trump. He doesn't look mentally up for it, they really should impose some age limits for presidential bids. Imagine a 78 years old dude going to an interview seeking a high position in a big company, never gonna happen. And here he is auditioning for the most important job in the world.
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Why do you feel sorry for him? He's a filthy rich politician who is beholden to even richer donors and bends over backwards to look out for them while tag teaming with Obama to continue waging war and destabilizing the middle east allowing millions to either die or lose everything. Then consider all the terrible policies he supported domestically for decades. Nah, he deserves the humiliation on the national stage at the very least. Every establishment politician does.
 
Revan said:
Nope. He has tweeted mostly against Biden, and almost has shown sympathy towards Bernie.

Fox has gone in full attack mode against Biden too. I think it is clear that Biden is the only candidate that Trump and GOP fear. Especially now that somehow he managed to get a very high turnout in primaries.
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Biden would be somewhat the same opponent as Clinton. Slow, manuscripted, "establishment" etc. Easy to spin the same rethoric and champaign as in 2016. The main reason as for why they have started their negative "reports" against Biden is because they think/assume he will get the nomination, not because they think that he will be the biggest threat. Bernie, as the opposite of Trump, could be the best candidate to beat Trump.
 
Look on as noted white moderate and Biden strategist Hilary Rosen lectures the black history major Nina Turner about what Martin Luther King really meant before informing Turner that she lacks the standing to quote him and shouting her down:



She then goes on to assume that standing for herself in order to paraphrase him on twitter:



I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

It's the blind arrogance more than anything.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Yep.

Nope.
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I just don't see it, people in general won't care about Trumps indiscretions and with the attack ads against Biden they'll think they're all just as bad and incompetent.

Most elections are based on blaming the incumbent for a negative change (economy tanking) or voting for a positive change candidate. A Biden campaign seems to be neither.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Look on as noted white moderate and Biden strategist Hilary Rosen lectures the black history major Nina Turner about what Martin Luther King really meant before informing Turner that she lacks the standing to quote him and shouting her down:



She then goes on to assume that standing for herself in order to paraphrase him on twitter:



I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

It's the blind arrogance more than anything.
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that's really something.
That MLK letter is the biggest indictment of these moderate whites and the way they are trying to co-opt it is quite embarrassing.
 
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