2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Red Dreams said:
The fact the Dems are pushing Obama out so quick is telling.
Panic setting in early.
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I wouldn't say its a panic, but there is a growing sentiment that none of the current field would beat Trump the way an Obama like figure (or similar) would have beaten him. The Dems are still looking for that person with the election less than a year away, which is increasingly complicated by the fact that Dems are more factionalized now than in recent memory.
 
Raoul said:
I wouldn't say its a panic, but there is a growing sentiment that none of the current field would beat Trump the way an Obama like figure (or similar) would have beaten him.
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To be clear, that growing sentiment is to be found among big donors, not Democratic voters in general. Voters are about as happy with their choice of candidates as they've ever been.
 
Raoul said:
I wouldn't say its a panic, but there is a growing sentiment that none of the current field would beat Trump the way an Obama like figure (or similar) would have beaten him. The Dems are still looking for that person with the election less than a year away, which is increasingly complicated by the fact that Dems are more factionalized now than in recent memory.
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I read the post you linked.
It seems most are not too happy with Obama's intervention.
The voters are tired of the same ol stuff.

They want what Bernie and Warren are saying.

But you cannot do that and please the corporations.
That is what this is about.
 
nimic said:
To be clear, that growing sentiment is to be found among big donors, not Democratic voters in general. Voters are about as happy with their choice of candidates as they've ever been.
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I'm sure Sanders fans are happy. Beyond that, the rest of the Democratic Party (as in the majority of Dems) don't seem particularly elated about having identified "The One" this cycle.
 
Red Dreams said:
I read the post you linked.
It seems most are not too happy with Obama's intervention.
The voters are tired of the same ol stuff.

They want what Bernie and Warren are saying.

But you cannot do that and please the corporations.
That is what this is about.
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If the voters want what Bernie and Warren are saying, then Bernie or Warren will be the candidate. If they're not, it's because the majority of the voters didn't want what they were saying. The jury is out on that one.
 
Red Dreams said:
nonsense.
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Not even remotely.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/do-you-buy-that-democratic-voters-want-a-new-2020-candidate/
 
Red Dreams said:
I read the post you linked.
It seems most are not too happy with Obama's intervention.
The voters are tired of the same ol stuff.

They want what Bernie and Warren are saying.

But you cannot do that and please the corporations.
That is what this is about.
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What a lovely poem.
 
There's no question in my mind that none of the current candidates have managed anything like the momentum Obama had going in 2007. He was a once in a life time candidate (at least in a short life time like mine up to now). The closest is Bernie with his supporters, but Obama didn't have nearly as many detractors within the dems as Bernie has. (I say all this despite being critical of him now)

But then it doesn't need Obama to beat Trump. Worth remembering even the non-charismatic Hillary only just about lost against him too. It really shouldn't be rocket science to beat him whoever the candidate will be.
 
Red Dreams said:
The liberal media does not go out to find fault with corporate candidates.
Free air time for them.
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Again, what's your point? I didn't say that Democratic voters should be satisfied with their candidates, but that they are. Which they are. You called that nonsense, so I assumed you had something to say about it (and not whether or not the liberal media gives more air time to the corporate dems).
 
Abizzz said:
There's no question in my mind that none of the current candidates have managed anything like the momentum Obama had going in 2007. He was a once in a life time candidate (at least in a short life time like mine up to now). The closest is Bernie with his supporters, but Obama didn't have nearly as many detractors within the dems as Bernie has. (I say all this despite being critical of him now)

But then it doesn't need Obama to beat Trump. Worth remembering even the non-charismatic Hillary only just about lost against him too. It really shouldn't be rocket science to beat him whoever the candidate will be.
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You would think so, but the Dems are fractured and factionalized at the moment, which is precisely the sort of thing that Trump is relying on for next November - one of two angry Dem factions who are sulking about not having their candidate become the nominee, and as a result staying home to pout about it.
 
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Raoul said:
You would think so, but the Dems are fractured and factionalized at the moment, which is precisely the sort of thing that Trump will need next November - one of two angry Dem factions who are sulking about not having their candidate become the nominee, and as a result staying home to pout about it.
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Absolutely agree, if either half of the democrats starts sulking Trump won't even have to put up a fight. I'm just hoping 3 years (4 years then) of Trump will have been enough to concentrate minds on both sides. Might just be wishful thinking on my side.
 
Raoul said:
You would think so, but the Dems are fractured and factionalized at the moment, which is precisely the sort of thing that Trump is relying on for next November - one of two angry Dem factions who are sulking about not having their candidate become the nominee, and as a result staying home to pout about it.
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Not to mention we’ve got stuff like this trending on social media...
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Raoul said:
Which wouldn't be addressed unless the Dems find "the one" who can beat Trump and actually implement policies.
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When you say 'the one' you are being sarcastic. Come on.
I understand where you are coming from about needing to beat Trump.

We had two popular presidents who did nothing for what people need.
Clinton in fact hurt them.
Trump is the personification of peoples hate.
People hate because they do not see a future for themselves and worse their children.
We can get them back by offering real policies.
Health care would be a start.

But that wont happen if we buy into what you usually say.

Cannot get policies through the Senate.
Moderates will not vote even if Dems control Congress.

Things can only change through a Peoples Revolution.

Don't blame people who wont turn up again for another Corporate candidate.
 
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/blac...uted-their-support_n_5dd188aae4b0d2e79f8eb357

Black South Carolinians Say Buttigieg Campaign Misleadingly Touted Their Support
A number of Black officials in South Carolina said their support for Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign has been overstated or misstated completely.

State Rep. Thigpen, who identified himself as a state co-chair for the Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign, said he was alarmed when the Buttigieg campaign press release listed him as an endorser.

“I thought I made it clear to them that I was a strong Bernie Sanders supporter — actually co-chair of the state, and I was not seeking to endorse their candidate or the plan,” Thigpen told The Intercept.

Thigpen said the Buttigieg campaign listed him as a supporter without his permission after he told them he might agree to giving them a simple quote of support for continuing the conversation about racial inequality.
 
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