2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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John McCain is a war hero. We all have our disputes as to which wars were good and which weren't so good but to belittle his status as an American hero is worrying sign of the times we're in.
No war was good and our foreign policy has literally fecked up the whole world. And I’m sorry it offends but I don’t recognize him as a war hero. What we did in Vietnam was fecked up beyond humanity and anyone who participated are no heroes. The real heroes are the ones who refused orders to go. McCain also spent his whole career trying to be a warhawk and make this world a worse place for normal people and a great place for the richest of the rich. So, feck him.
 
recap:

warren - the only serious candidate tonight and she did well
inslee and gabbard - they are basically single issue candidates and they didnt even do much to talk about those issues. ill give them one more chance
ryan and delaney - kill yourselves
o'rourke - i want him to stick around so he keeps getting owned more
booker, castro, de blasio - yeah sure fine
klobuchar -
 
Right... the point Carolina Red is genuinely agreeing with my sarcastic foreign policy is the point I bail...

I apologise unreservedly.
 
Gabbard talked about foreign policy any opportunity she got, including when asked about things not even remotely connected to foreign policy.

ok yeah i phrased that wrong. she didnt really do much to center that issue and neither did inslee. i realize theres not much they can do but for most people they arent even going to remember those two. and if they cant force the issue then theres not much point to them being there
 
Yeah, I've gotta wholeheartedly disagree with this.
How would they be heroes for you? I don’t see how a war that does nothing positive for the world creates heroes. Acts of heroism between one another, sure. But not heroes. I understand it’s a controversial and potentially offensive opinion because people have family who served.
 
Warren was quite comfortably the winner tonight. She delivered her points while the rest were squirming for attention.
 
Warren was quite comfortably the winner tonight. She delivered her points while the rest were squirming for attention.

Definitely true, though I suspect she still wishes she was in the big leagues, aka the other debate. She's just so far above anyone else in this one that I'm not sure anything mattered.
 
ok yeah i phrased that wrong. she didnt really do much to center that issue and neither did inslee. i realize theres not much they can do but for most people they arent even going to remember those two. and if they cant force the issue then theres not much point to them being there
I think Gabbard wants Secretary of State
 
Of the 24 candidates, only 3 had endorsed Bernie last time - Tulsi, Mike Gravel, and Marianne Williamson. Warren and Biden abstained. To the best of my knowledge, the other 20 endorsed Hillary over Bernie.
 
Then I don't know how you define hero.
I just think a true hero does something objectively good for the world. Nothing about Vietnam did any good. We were basically the bad guys / aggressors and on that front alone, no one comes out a hero. Consider actual bad guys we’ve faced. They may have done acts of heroism amongst one another (saving a life) but no one calls them heroes.
 
Don't get too excited, I never read your post.
I hope not but others may have and could share your imperialist views, see our comments together, and see a consensus in something I thought was sufficiently insane that no one here would agree and so was joke-worthy. Was a bad call.
 
Matthews makes a good point. No one went after Biden, which probably works out well for him.
Why would any of them do that? Sanders, Harris or Buttchug will tomorrow and that’s what counts. They have little enough time as it is without bringing up Biden.

Warren’s surge seems to have consolidated for sure. Won the MoveOn straw poll, up to 18% in latest YouGov poll and this debate if not help at least won’t hurt.
 
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