2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Which senator withdrew from the objection in Winsconsin? Which the congressman raised?
 
Finally it's done. What a shiteshow dragging it out like that.

Embarrassing.
 
Pathetic they took this long for something that should be a formality. feck Trump, feck everyone who enabled him & continues to support him.
 
Trump staying in power till the 20th will only highlight the 25th amendment is a useless relic. What is the threshold when he takes the country to the point of insurrection?
 
Looking from the outside it appears that people who vote Republican think people who vote Democrat are not proper Americans. Is that right.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Looking from the outside it appears that people who vote Republican think people who vote Democrat are not proper Americans. Is that right.
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The Republican party has convinced their base that a democrat winning an election is essentially illegitimate. It has been decades in the making. Today was the first sign that republicans would be willing to install a fascist dictatorship via insurrection to stop the legitimate party claiming government. The republican party will likely never concede another election without a full dismantling of their party and serious psychological counseling for their supporters.
 
WPMUFC said:
The Republican party has convinced their base that a democrat winning an election is essentially illegitimate. It has been decades in the making. Today was the first sign that republicans would be willing to install a fascist dictatorship via insurrection to stop the legitimate party claiming government. The republican party will likely never concede another election without a full dismantling of their party and serious psychological counseling for their supporters.
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That is scary stuff. You lost. Take it on the chin or chins.
 
rpitroda said:
Trump statement - “end of the greatest first presidential term in history” :lol: he is loopy.
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Worst President ever.

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DomesticTadpole said:
That is scary stuff. You lost. Take it on the chin or chins.
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He has strong support of 8 senator's and 139 representatives still going by yesterday vote. So we'll see someone parroting his name still.

In red states like Alabama, Kansas, Montana etc I'm not sure how GOP vs Trump divide will play out with voters.

In DC, at least the mainstream GOP people would now be happy to shut him out.....but again this is politics. Memories are short.
 
I'm not too familiar on US congressional politics, but do they have a whip system in place? A senate majority being propped up by a tie-breaking VP sounds a little fragile to me, are there more 'maverick' purple state Dems who might vote against party lines essentially compromising their control of the senate?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
He has strong support of 8 senator's and 139 representatives still going by yesterday vote. So we'll see someone parroting his name still.

In red states like Alabama, Kansas, Montana etc I'm not sure how GOP vs Trump divide will play out with voters.

In DC, at least the mainstream GOP people would now be happy to shut him out.....but again this is politics. Memories are short.
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Missouri will also be challenging. Toss in currently more ‘moderate’ states such as Michigan & Pennsylvania where the state level governments are backsliding into batshittery at alarming rates.
 
Kaos said:
I'm not too familiar on US congressional politics, but do they have a whip system in place? A senate majority being propped up by a tie-breaking VP sounds a little fragile to me, are there more 'maverick' purple state Dems who might vote against party lines essentially compromising their control of the senate?
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There are whips in place, they're basically 2nd in rank to the party leaders. For the Dems right now its Dick Durbin. But what you say is right, that's why some memes are going around that Joe Manchin from West Virginia is now the de facto President.

I read Obama's book a few weeks ago and he describes this when it comes to healthcare legislation and the stimulus package at the time. Even while the Dems had a 60 seat majority in the Senate (the minimum to break the filibuster and pass anything really substantive) he still had to deal with any given senator out of those 60 who all saw each vote as an opportunity to hold the administration hostage for whatever that senator wanted done for his/her state or pet issue.

Biden will essentially live in this state for the next 2 years, and that's also considering he can't pass anything meaty that he can't get all his 50 + 10 Republicans onboard. He can only pass simple majority (50+tiebreak) stuff via reconciliation which means it has to be budget related somehow.
 
Kaos said:
I'm not too familiar on US congressional politics, but do they have a whip system in place? A senate majority being propped up by a tie-breaking VP sounds a little fragile to me, are there more 'maverick' purple state Dems who might vote against party lines essentially compromising their control of the senate?
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its even more fragile when you realise its actually only 48 actual dems and 2 independents that caucus with the dems that make up the 50 split.
 
ChaddyP said:
its even more fragile when you realise its actually only 48 actual dems and 2 independents that caucus with the dems that make up the 50 split.
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The independents can be counted on more typically to vote D than some of the more radically centrist ‘actual’ Ds.
 
MTF said:
There are whips in place, they're basically 2nd in rank to the party leaders. For the Dems right now its Dick Durbin. But what you say is right, that's why some memes are going around that Joe Manchin from West Virginia is now the de facto President.

I read Obama's book a few weeks ago and he describes this when it comes to healthcare legislation and the stimulus package at the time. Even while the Dems had a 60 seat majority in the Senate (the minimum to break the filibuster and pass anything really substantive) he still had to deal with any given senator out of those 60 who all saw each vote as an opportunity to hold the administration hostage for whatever that senator wanted done for his/her state or pet issue.

Biden will essentially live in this state for the next 2 years, and that's also considering he can't pass anything meaty that he can't get all his 50 + 10 Republicans onboard. He can only pass simple majority (50+tiebreak) stuff via reconciliation which means it has to be budget related somehow.
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Thanks for this, very informative. So the Dems will essentially be running an administration akin to a minority government, banking on the support of a few independents.
 
ChaddyP said:
its even more fragile when you realise its actually only 48 actual dems and 2 independents that caucus with the dems that make up the 50 split.
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I'm assuming Bernie is one of them. If so, could that been construed as a positive for progressives considering it gives him considerable leverage with the Biden administration?
 
calodo2003 said:
The independents can be counted on more typically to vote D than some of the more radically centrist ‘actual’ Ds.
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I totally get what you're saying... stuff that's more to the right he could lose Sanders but would probably gain some GOP votes. But my question not knowing his exact record: can Angus King be counted on to vote with Dems on more progressive bills against 0 GOP votes?
 
MTF said:
I totally get what you're saying... stuff that's more to the right he could lose Sanders but would probably gain some GOP votes. But my question not knowing his exact record: can Angus King be counted on to vote with Dems on more progressive bills against 0 GOP votes?
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Ivory soap percentage for King.
 
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