The actual f*ck are you talking about with point 2? Why not throw in that Biden is only alive because of the dead babies he's consumed below the Comet Pizza, and the youthful figure it granted him?
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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In Pennsylvania definitely and it’s on film. It was shocking, the evidence of the Republican interruption & disruption is overwhelming and I’ve read multiple reports of lawyers preparing court case to sue the republicans because in the US it’s actually against the law to disrupt the election process.
Anyone putting anything into this further than: he's a stupid, witless, ignorant c*nt who knows the walls are finally closing in him are just wrong. There is no chess board. The strategy is simply stay out of jail by this afternoon. Every person in that room knows there's no legal path to win this. They're just trying to stretch it out for as long as possible because it's the only thing they know how to do.
I kind of have no problem with Trump - he's just a worthless, irredeemable broken excuse of a human being doing him. It's all these lawyers and GOP members and Breitbart and Newsmax and OANN f*ckers that piss me off. They're basically blowing up the country they profess to care about for Donald f*cking Trump. This will not go away after him, and it could and SHOULD be shut down in 30 seconds by a press conference with Mitch and McCarthy. Hell, I'd wager if Mitch had clearly secured his 4 more years of attempting to ensure white Christian rule of America he'd already have dumped Trump, but because he thinks riling up the nut jubs on Georgia is an effective political strategy, he's on board til Jan 5th.
The fact that only Romney is saying anything is such a huge indictment of the GOP. I have to assume at least some of them got into politics for some right reasons. Where did they go?
I kind of have no problem with Trump - he's just a worthless, irredeemable broken excuse of a human being doing him. It's all these lawyers and GOP members and Breitbart and Newsmax and OANN f*ckers that piss me off. They're basically blowing up the country they profess to care about for Donald f*cking Trump. This will not go away after him, and it could and SHOULD be shut down in 30 seconds by a press conference with Mitch and McCarthy. Hell, I'd wager if Mitch had clearly secured his 4 more years of attempting to ensure white Christian rule of America he'd already have dumped Trump, but because he thinks riling up the nut jubs on Georgia is an effective political strategy, he's on board til Jan 5th.
The fact that only Romney is saying anything is such a huge indictment of the GOP. I have to assume at least some of them got into politics for some right reasons. Where did they go?
In that case, the SC will quickly dismiss the case. That's why people should simply relax and trust the judicial process to play out. It will confirm that US citizens are actually still living in a democracy with a functioning election process where every vote matters.
The whole conspiracy theory is so utterly ridiculous and flawed it shouldn’t go near a judge. It’s like me trying to set up a case against Biden for inviting Aliens from Mars to intervene with the election; ie no lawyer should touch the case!
It should never reach the goddamn SC! Should every rumour a basement dweller can come up with be sent up that group of 9 people? Are they the only arbiters of truth and justice in a country of 350m people? Of course not! This whole premise is like an episode of Black Mirror.
Idiot conspiracy theories do not get to the Supreme Court. Idiot conspiracy theories should get debunked by anyone with an IQ high enough to tie their shoes.
Trump is just asking questions to be honest. Sometimes people do their own research and come up with alternative facts. I think that using state resources to support investigating these alternate realities is a good thing. What else would you spend it on, communist rubbish like affordable health care? Get out of here with that Marxist crap.
It’s only fair that Trump is asking these questions and trying to disenfranchise millions votes from populations who coincidentally happen to be mostly Afro Americans, because clearly votes of people of color are illegitimate (unless they’re for Trump). Make America Great Again by bringing back slavery.
Yup. 4 relevant parties essentially mean that the president is mostly elected by HoR, considering that it will be difficult to see a candidate getting 270 electoral college votes. To be fair, binning presidential elections and making the president being elected in the congress would be the best thing it can happen to American politics but that will obviously not happen cause it requires the two parties to relinquish power and it needs a constitutional amandment.
Ironically one of the two ideas that had the most backing back when the constitution was written, with the other being a popular vote. The electoral college was only ever a shitty compromise because the two camps couldn’t decide between them.
Ones things for sure, one of Trump’s legacies will be that he’s managed to expose the weaknesses in the US’s election process for anybody who has bad intentions! It’s crazy I know, but it’s become not beyond the realms of possibility that within the next few decades the US will become an authoritarian state or even a civil war may happen.
You didn't need clairvoyance, you just needed to be following someone decent on twitter rather than looking at the simplistic % figures on the results maps.
Still, you weren't as bad as that person that kept saying Michigan and Pennsylvania were going Trump, and accusing people of not understanding statistics if they disagreed.
This would a horrible idea.
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If the Senate is part of this idea it greatly increases the power of tiny state.
If it is just the house it will still disenfranchise Democrats as the GOP led efforts for ridiculous gerrymandering will again elevate. the power of the minority.
Using your idea is a great deal closer to our current EC than a popular vote. Using the popular vote is the closest we can come to letting someone in California or Alabama matter as much as someone in Florida or Wisconsin.
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In the US system it would, but the idea itself is basically a parliamentary democracy with a Prime Minister elected by the legislature.
You're all wrong, to be honest. The best system would be to cover a pig in olive oil, and whoever manages to grab it gets to be President for a week.
That's just because your system is inherently broken in more ways than one. I'm saying it, parliamentary systems are just better.
I mean, take what you just said. If it involves that elected body it's bad, and if it involves the other elected body it's also bad.
One way to get rid of the electoral college problem while keeping the electoral college would be to change it from winner take all in each state to proportional. This would ensure that whoever wins the popular vote always wins the electoral college.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/18/politics/kfile-jenna-ellis-2016-trump-comments/index.html
You can't make this stuff up.
You can't make this stuff up.
I checked in today on the facebook of a guy I know who's been a total MAGA for the past four years. Looks like he's all in on the fraud angle, despite family members/relatives trying to sway him otherwise with hard facts. Oh well.
No doubt, I was just responding to the suggestion that letting those two bodies elect the president would be a good thing.
Is it safe to let people like this roam the streets? This is just another example of a totally new level of insanity when it comes to all these former Trump bashers who turned Trump lovers. She should be sectioned.https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/18/politics/kfile-jenna-ellis-2016-trump-comments/index.html
You can't make this stuff up.
Given how long its been since the republicans actually won the popular vote combined with the fact that such a change would need a 2/3rd majority to vote for it (even disregarding filibuster etc) then how could such changes conceivably be voted through?
It just shows that they have no principles, no backbone and no morals. They will do anything, say anything, if they think it will get them money or 15 minutes of fame and power.
Realistically, there will no changes because the country is divided into two camps with several camps within the main two pulling both in opposite directions. So at the end of the day, we shouldn't expect anything to change until one of the two sides (more likely the Republicans) implodes.
Senate and gerrymandering are extremely non democratic. However, the idea of the Congress choosing the president (whom in US is more of a combo of the president and prime minister) is what really happens in proper democracies (Europe except France).
Which would still be largely un-democratic in the US since the nature of the Senate skews Republican, as does the gerrymandering in house districts.
Not exactly, because states don't have electoral college votes proportional to their population. Plus this does not address the fact that. when the electoral college was created originally, this population proportionality did exist, except that black people counted for only three fifths. So the system is inherently racist, plus it is not adapted constantly to changing population numbers. Your idea would not fix either of that.
Has it ever been calculated what your idea would result in? I"m wondering if it would even make electoral college votes comes closer to the popular vote percentages?
I haven't gone through this properly but this looks like something what you're looking for https://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/
It just goes to show you that if someone in power has an interest in subverting democracy then it can be done, to an extent anyway.
Another way the GOP found to mess with the system was to mess with the 2020 census which decides #s of US representatives from each state, amongst other things.
Another way the GOP found to mess with the system was to mess with the 2020 census which decides #s of US representatives from each state, amongst other things.
The underlying question is: Is a maximum of democracy desirable?
If so, then a popular vote for the presidency is more democratic than an electoral college or congress choosing the president.
Referendums on big issues would also be more democratic than handing full control to a government for 4 years without any further input by the people. Switzerland is leading the way here.
One thing is clear to me: The current lack of personal accountability of those holding office towards those who voted for them is hurting democracies everywhere.
If so, then a popular vote for the presidency is more democratic than an electoral college or congress choosing the president.
Referendums on big issues would also be more democratic than handing full control to a government for 4 years without any further input by the people. Switzerland is leading the way here.
One thing is clear to me: The current lack of personal accountability of those holding office towards those who voted for them is hurting democracies everywhere.
Yes, the states would obviously need to be apportioned according to the national population. There was a political science professor talking about how it would work on one of the networks the other day (her name escapes me). That would be one way to make things significantly more democratic than today without getting rid of the electoral college.
There has been so much going on the past few years that this kind of got lost in the shuffle recently. They gutted funding for the census in an attempt to keep things static and not lose their gerrymandered positions, in addition to other shenanigans.
I would hope that it being easily doable online would circumvent some of that but it is hard to tell at this point.
What does number 2 mean?
There is no scandal. Maybe I’m out of touch, but what does the scandal look like, to you?
It feels like you’re balancing Reality with Conspiracy and insisting the former must weigh heavier in account.
The truth is that Conspiracy cannot get off the ground on any set of scales. Reality is weighed against Reality. True against False.
Definitely far far better than the actual system, but it wouldn't absolutely guarantee a popular vote winner being president. The EC wouldn't still mirror population percentage perfectly, and even if it did there would always be wasted votes.
In a way it would be a similar system to most parliamentary democracies, with the exception that instead of MPs electing a prime minister you would have the electoral college. In my country it's perfectly possible for someone from a party to win in seats and lose the popular vote, although it never happened.
See 1951 UK elections.
Tomorrow’s reality has not yet happened. That’s why I am playing through possible outcomes and the consequences connected to them. If you have already come to the conclusion that scenario 2 cannot happen, more power to you. I have not yet seen any of the evidence Powell and Co are claiming they have. Maybe there is none, in which case scenario 1 will play out. Maybe they have hard evidence. That would bring scenario 2 into play and change our current understanding of truth and reality.
Or, Scenario 3, Trump is a Lizard Person and he'll reveal it to the world tomorrow by peeling off his man costume and spraying the audience with pheromone jizz.
You have to question her motives. She knows this yet represents him.https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/18/politics/kfile-jenna-ellis-2016-trump-comments/index.html
You can't make this stuff up.
At that point, why wouldn't you simply taking the popular vote? Or is it that the electoral college is in the US constitution, but its exact mechanism isn't?
Indeed: everything remains possible until there is conclusive proof that it isn't! I guess in this case, doing your own research means following Trump's tweets and OANN. (Although you could just remove the middleman and skip straight to OANN at this point. Poor Fox.)
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