2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Look at what Trump has accomplished that the Putin's Russia loves:
* Encouraged Brexit (now happening)
* Encouraged the further break-up of the EU
* Encouraged anti-democratic and authoritarian demagogues around the world ... in Europe, in the Philippines, in Brazil and elsewhere.
* Sown hatred and division within the USA
* Caused several tens of millions of Americans to seriously doubt the validity of electoral results.
* Attacked other pillars of democracy (e.g. the press and media as 'enemies of the people')
* Cast doubt over the future of NATO
* Encouraged the spread of lies and fake news
* Lavished praise on Putin
The list goes on. The guy is a recruited Russian agent IMO.
* Encouraged Brexit (now happening)
* Encouraged the further break-up of the EU
* Encouraged anti-democratic and authoritarian demagogues around the world ... in Europe, in the Philippines, in Brazil and elsewhere.
* Sown hatred and division within the USA
* Caused several tens of millions of Americans to seriously doubt the validity of electoral results.
* Attacked other pillars of democracy (e.g. the press and media as 'enemies of the people')
* Cast doubt over the future of NATO
* Encouraged the spread of lies and fake news
* Lavished praise on Putin
The list goes on. The guy is a recruited Russian agent IMO.
Despots don't need elections like this. It is only in democratic countries that they have elections that is supposed to be fair and free. I think what is interesting for the rest of the world is the American hypocrisy. Maduro in Venezuela is almost dead from laughter. If Trump can claim the e,lection is rigged against him why cannot Maduro do the same? I mean it is mind boggling. It is a pure comedy if not for tragic consequences. This is going to last for a lot longer. No one is going to believe what the Americans say about democracy anymore. How can any American government now say with a straigh face to another country, respect the elections?
After watching the Comey rule, there is no doubt they have leverage on him.
The proper response would be “if you were a lady I would give the proper respect”
Seriously though, it is impossible to argue with people like this. Just like with the ACB confirmation they completely ignore the hypocrisy of their position and have zero shame about it. Since their position is “technically” correct they can smirk, like she does, with some confidence. This is what happens when the norms of government are unwritten rules.
That fox news clip was doctored.
The real clip has been posted a few times now.
Let me tell you something on this list. The Phillipines is not an anti democratic and authoritarian demagogue. Otherwise I ageee but you should look at context in what is happening in Europe, especially eastern Europe. It is not because of Russia that Eastern Europe is becoming right wing. It is entirely the way they way before and because of Trump being a right wing President.
Thanks but the speech technique sounds very Donald like. The pauses, the way of describing a scene and then just losing the thread midway, etc.
The FBI should demand that person's identity from fox for national security reasons.
The FBI should demand that person's identity from fox for national security reasons.
Under Duterte, who has openly boasted about having committed murder? You must be joking.
Duterte is not anti democratic and authoritarian?
The governor of Texas is now offering a minimum of 25,000 dollars to electoral fraud whistle-blowers if their information leads to an arrest and final conviction.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...cribed-as-big-win-by-donald-trump/ar-BB1aUpJd
Such bribes will of course bring a fair few fantasists and liars out of the wood-work. It doesn't matter to such Republicans that none of it will be proved - they only want to damage faith in democracy.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...cribed-as-big-win-by-donald-trump/ar-BB1aUpJd
Such bribes will of course bring a fair few fantasists and liars out of the wood-work. It doesn't matter to such Republicans that none of it will be proved - they only want to damage faith in democracy.
This will run and run. You'll get far right muppets lying , you'll get far left muppets making parody videos which do more harm than good. Then when the investigation is finally over and Trump doesn't like the outcome, he'll continue to yell fix and the far right cult will go along with him.
Honestly, not really sure how America recovers from this short term. It'll require Trump backing down and I don't think he'll ever do that.
Honestly, not really sure how America recovers from this short term. It'll require Trump backing down and I don't think he'll ever do that.
I blame Charlie Brooker.
Yes. Under Duterte. Have you been to the Philippines? The Supreme Court in the Philippines is independent. In fact it is just like the US. The President has not say in the Supreme Court. The Press is against him. So is the Justice system. There has not been even one credible case filed against him for murder. Zilch. The elections are free and fair and they have put a lot of Presidents in jail or impeached them.
You should not accept what you read in English newspapers. Just go and live there outside of especially Manila to understand what is happening there.
I dont think they give a sh*t to be honest.
Not at all. He is less authoritarian that Aquino the third. Don't accept what you see in the newspapers. Just go and live there for a while, especially outside of Manila and talk to the ordinary people. Understand the Philippines constitution and it would help if you speak at least Tagalog.
yes he is a lot of bluster too but he never goes outside the laws. What did he actually do that is anti democratic and authoritarian that is against the Philippines law that would stand up in a court of law?
Isn't that bribery?
Amnesty International:
"More than 7,000 people were killed in the brutal ‘war on drugs’ in the Philippines between July 2016 and January 2017, under instruction from the country’s president, Rodrigo Duterte. Duterte ordered Philippines’ police forces to kill anyone they believe to be connected to the drugs trade when he assumed office in June 2016. State forces and vigilante groups have followed through these orders ruthlessly.
... Duterte has bragged that he himself has killed people, seemingly as means to reduce crime while he was Mayor of the city of Davao, before he became president.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/philippines-president-duterte-war-on-drugs-thousands-killed
This is ‘right wing’ in Australia.
Take a look at this, and when you unironically use ‘far left’ in this forum when referring to the American progressives, just remember this and have a long hard think about your ideology
It's difficult to know where to start with the alleged incompetence by this Biden/Harris team:
- They used a van with their names on it.
- Parked about 150 feet away from the building.
- Had not even filled out the ballots before they got there.
- Were filling them in against the van despite having a table.
- Had 2 people taking the envelopes out of the van and 2 people filling the ballots in, but also had 5-6 somewhere (seemingly hiding).
- Only decided to activate these extra 5-6 in order to form a human wall to hide what they are doing from the person dressed in a ballot counter uniform on their 5th time passing.
Wife just pointed out that the witness seems to have just gone bacj inside and carried on as normal as well.
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If the Dems were going to cheat, do you not think they would maybe do it somewhere discrete and not... I don't know... next to a Biden/Harris campaign bus in view of the poll where their tampered ballots are going to be counted?
The saddest thing going on right now isn't the attack on Democracy, it's the death of political satire. Nothing is outside the realms of reality anymore.
yes he has bragged and this amnesty international is something they picked out of an online blog. I know the Philipines a lot better than most people here. There is no vigilante groups apart from private armies operated by drug lords. Which includes some politicians too. The places is as crime infested as any dump in south america. People get shot on the streets for small issues. Guns are plenty and at least for now most people can walk peacefully at night or day in Davao where he cleaned the place up. You do not know how bad it was there with drugs and crime. Did innocent people get killed? Of course they did when there is a shoot out. Ask majority of the filipinos if there life is better under Duterte or worse than before? Majority would say yes. By the way the term limit of a President is one term in the Philippines and he would go in 2023. He has the super majority in the Senate and he could have changed the constitution if he wanted to.
This is the Trump thread so I wont say anything more about the Philippines here.
Might want to add denying science and promoting psuedo science.
Trying to break the Paris climate agreement.
Well, they didn't exactly sponsored his "golden showers" for nothing.
At this point, the GOP are literally like comic book villains. Going out of their way to just commit whatever absurd evil deed they can think off.
I suppose we have to hope that most of the "base" will be happy enough to just sulk, as it were: it was rigged, they're all corrupt, democracy is dead, Donnie's greater than Lincoln, etc. But they won't actually take to the streets with guns blazing.
And we can also hope that the posturing we're seeing now from Republicans is purely tactical: as in, they're not doing this because they genuinely support Donnie - but because they're afraid to alienate the "base" (who they need on their side come 2024).
Granted, not much to hope for - but the alternative is obviously far worse.
They're in denial. Those who genuinely believe they are doing god's will, believe they are doing god's will. Those who don't believe it, simply don't care. They're doing it for the money. Pay them enough money and they'd hang their own mothers and frame their fathers for it.
They still need his base for the 2 senate seats in Georgia run off
That gets better and better througout.
I actually posted yesterday about him slaying a different republican. I think he'd had enough and was on the war path.
It's probably better yeah because there's no way you can spin a country where the president gave the police a licence to kill citizens without appearing before a court as "not authoritarian". The supreme court is independant, but it's been 4 years now that they've tried to look into these extra-judicial killings and it's basically going nowhere.
Not at all, how many countries have reverted from being democracies to dictatorships? I can't think of a good example. The US system with its checks and balances can, and would, withstand such an action. How he gets treated depends on how he behaves. If he leaves, he leaves, I was talking about the condition some have said where he actually refuses to leave. In such a case I am 100% sure he would end up being forcibly removed. As I've said before, these guys are paid and trained to take bullets, they will not tolerate an unauthorised trespasser who, let's be frank, is sufficiently unhinged they would view him as a threat.I think you're simplifying things a little there mate. If it was that easy they'd be no dictators
Unless Trump is certain he's going to end up in prison if he concedes then he won't be stupid enough to try and stay in power. If he does though the secret service won't just be carrying him out like a squatter.
No Buffy, not you too. This is getting really serious now where I am being made to re-evaluate my first childhood love!
You ain't winning this state.
I would be shocked if he even ponies up the $2-3 million he will have to pay to initiate the recount.
Oh my sweet sweet child.
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