It's not the White Cliffs of Dover but it's a start.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Lots of people in those states feel the same, lots of people, millions even, voted for Biden.
Agree. We have systemic problems in all sides here, no one is absolved from any of that guilt. Hopefully some progress towards a positive middle ground can start to exist here soon.
I may make a snide comment about a large part of the problem in this country, but our party is as horrible at times as well.
But you did call MI one bc you responded with flyover to a video from Michigan. Except that you said red states which MI is not. So what do you then consider flyover states.
Obviously. As I said in follow up, it’s not a blanket assessment.
When in AL MI was a flyover state for me. fecking Detroit airport hub. Hate that place. Almost got arrested there.
The Guardian seems to have called AZ for Biden.
Anyone else calling AZ?
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Anyone else calling AZ?
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Haha. Fair enough. Ironically the airport has won many awards for customer service, convenience etc. I may be biased but I do agree its a pleasant airport. And yes Ive seen many many others.
My initial response was to a post that asked if this country had a lot of nutcases. I don’t know to what that post was referring, I was replying to that single question.
Sorry, didn’t reply to your question: Wyoming, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Utah, Arkansas.
Imagine how his daughter must feel. The man is an embarrassment.
Flyover states should be the ones I don't like driving through, like southern Michigan (crazy), Illinois (traffic) and Minnesota (shit weather).
I'd include Wisconsin but it gets redeemed by the complete unexpectedness of Wisconsin Dells in the middle of the night.
He's become a comic book henchman.
Okay Ill back off a bit then. The response you speak of was in response to that MI video and ive heard folks call just about anything in the center of the country flyover before so perhaps I jumped to conclusions too quickly.
From what I've seen in this thread, opinions like yours are part of the problem. Denigrating a massive percentage of the country doesn't help anyone and will just fuel the animosity.
For people in the middle class, yes. Mostly the upper middle. For people in the working class, no. That's the point of disagreement here, that it's important to focus on some technical classification that is based on some economic measurement created by some academic some time. The context the phrase elite was used in then, and the way the people they were talking about use the world elite, is very different. And the fact they don't realise that is what grates people because they're simultaneously claiming they speak for the people, while completely ignoring their understanding of what elite means. Because Van Jones' kids care about Trump's tone is not a good measure of how most American kids feel about that issue, they live in a different world.
Distinguishing between whether someone is upper class or elite doesn't matter to most people, even a little. For all intents and purposes they're the same, in that context. The definition of elite is much more fluid and yes you would find a majority of people saying doctors, lawyers etc. are part of the elite if you frame it in that context. If you're a millionaire, even on paper, you're in the elite. That's an easy judgment to make for most people. It doesn't mean they're equivalent to Bill Gates, or that they are part of the ruling class, just that they're in a completely seperate class where a tiered system is completely irrelevant.
The 40% who always have enough savings to cover 6 months of living expenses live on a different planet to the the 40% who usually don't. Whether they're living in a mansion or a semi matters less than whether money is a legitimate source of stress for them most days. People who don't live that life have a wildly different perception of the world, and a shocking lack of empathy for how it feels. What Trump said on Twitter each day does not resonate with them in the same way and he's foolish for not realising that.
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They get their calls from AP, who along with Fox called Arizona on election night. Other networks still aren't sure on it yet (and Trump will get close).Whoops....
I made the edit above to AZ.
the guardian has the count at 290
I've been told that I need to congratulate @oates for correctly predicting that Biden would be the next President. But I will not be swayed by foreign influences.
How did @oates know Biden was going to win before a single vote was counted? How much do we truly know about him? Have you ever seen @Penna and @HilareyClintin in the same place at the same time? I sure haven't, folks. I might just be a simple peanut farmer from Bald Knob, Arkansas but I ain't no fool. And, like my daddy always said; you can't skin a possum til he dips his wick in honey. And my daddy was a clever man until the sepsis on his bumhole sent him up to God.
How did @oates know Biden was going to win before a single vote was counted? How much do we truly know about him? Have you ever seen @Penna and @HilareyClintin in the same place at the same time? I sure haven't, folks. I might just be a simple peanut farmer from Bald Knob, Arkansas but I ain't no fool. And, like my daddy always said; you can't skin a possum til he dips his wick in honey. And my daddy was a clever man until the sepsis on his bumhole sent him up to God.
To be clear: minimum speed 85mph, vehicles 12 - 18" apart.
I’ve been using the NYT for my count updates and it had 253-214 for days, then it jumped of course this morning. Maybe I should use the AP.
Not to mentioned the shit beer.
Haha I thought that's what you meant but didnt want to assume. Im always fascinated how many people point to MI (specifically here in the SE) as craziest state to drive in from a speed perspective and how close we drive to each other. But then I visit Ontaria or other states and feel like falling asleep on the road and then I understand.
Northern Michigan is great, though.
Sounds like the sort of place that produces people who like to post pictures of dicks online.
And the day was going so relatively well. You've lost a considerable amount of brownie pts already.
flaming dicks. There is a HUUUUGGGGE difference.
that's good. I mean I can do it, but I'd prefer not to! Northern Michigan is great, on the other hand. Less volume and your roads are very sound.Bye-bye Nazi
I'm enjoying a celebratory scotch (or 3), I take no responsibility for the words my previous self typed.
Ann Arbor is a great place in my opinion. Went there to watch a pre season united match. Didn't want to leave
Speaking of booze... Headed to the store soon. Need recommendations/suggestions for celebratory stuff.
It’s a bit hyperbolic, it’s said in a football forum. It’s not how I marshal my actions in real life, but I’m not lying when I say it.
I am a bigot towards aggressive ignorance, using alternative facts, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, some conservative views on economics, small mindedness, & the more virulent strain of extremist religion that exists in this country. I admit this. But, I have interacted with people of the ilk I do not like daily for decades & somewhat decently.
Again, it definitely is a little hyperbolic, but I do have my views.
In the UK the top 1% threshold is 1.9m (~$2.5m) according to the ONS. I find it hard to believe the US is so much higher?
It all depends on where you are on the scale. I know people who think $100m makes you wealthy. For me, if you've got $1m in liquid assets that's enough.
Where do you send your kids to school? Even the poshest places around London are only '50k' a year.
Ohhh the Real Madrid one?? I was there too! And yes AA is great.
Ill take words not often heard about the condition of MI roads for 500 Jimbo
Very pretty and just outside of the crazy zone. Got a couple of dogs from a shelter there.
Need parameters (beer/wine/scotch/bourbon/etc.)
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