I wonder how quick TV networks will be to call PA for Biden.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Nice rhetoric from Biden in reply to Trump's claims about the election
Power can’t be taken or asserted, it flows from the people, and it is their will that determines who will be the president of the United States, and their will alone. I’m not here to declare that we’ve won. But I am here to report that when the count is finished we believe that we will be the winners.
Power can’t be taken or asserted, it flows from the people, and it is their will that determines who will be the president of the United States, and their will alone. I’m not here to declare that we’ve won. But I am here to report that when the count is finished we believe that we will be the winners.
Yeah he's going to have enough to win it. I don't think Biden would've said "we flipped Arizona" yesterday if they weren't sure. Trump has a big mountain to climb there it's unlikely he has enough.
Ah @InfiniteBoredom beat me to the tweet, here's another for some more concrete context:
Mostly postal votes though aren't they?
So, despite there being loads of warnings sent out that the next batch of AZ votes would be favouring Trump and would tighten, but then it would swing Biden's way from there.. People are still panicking because EXACTLY what had been predicted has happened?
It’s that latter point about swinging back to Biden and what that’ll be. The issue is no one knows how much of what is left is late mail in vs polling day drop off. And frankly no one knows a huge amount about what those votes will be.
I don’t think anyone is panicking. Having a view that it might swing back to being red by the end isn’t panicking. It’s just having an opinion that could may well end up being right or wrong.
Well, predictions can’t be correct, even polls aren’t.So, despite there being loads of warnings sent out that the next batch of AZ votes would be favouring Trump and would tighten, but then it would swing Biden's way from there.. People are still panicking because EXACTLY what had been predicted has happened?
It's excruciatingly painful to follow the counting of votes. Much prefer the Taiwanese elections. They have live counter on every channel
To be honest I dont know. Hope so
Hang on. The lady on CNN says Pittsburgh has counted all mail in votes, all that’s left now is a) some in person vote (leaning R) and b) some 35K late mail in.
Thats bad, if the numbers on CNN are already including this?
Thats bad, if the numbers on CNN are already including this?
I read that Nevada will be finished counting votes around 6 pm, central European time. Too bad it's not a big enough state to end this misery.
Have the other remaining states given such a clear "deadline"?
Have the other remaining states given such a clear "deadline"?
Just to add, he also said they ripped Georgia even though they didn't expect that. Feeling real optimistic now
Where’s the bantz that way?
About as quick as with Michigan: they'll wait until it's absolutely certain.
If it pans out as expected, the remaining major networks should call AZ for Biden when roughly another 150k votes are added to the count. 200k at best. If Trump doesn’t bring the difference then to around 40k, it’s impossible to win with what’s left in the state.
Also....
RED ALERT!
Also....
RED ALERT!
Georgia said they wanted to finish "during the night" - and it's 3 am over there now.
Arizona will release more results this evening (evening by European time, I mean).
Has Nevada started counting again yet?
Also UK Elections > US Elections.
Less up and down. True that it's less dramatic.
Difficult to see it being that far off unless there’s an unexpected glitch.
Looks to me like Biden has PA, which will seal the deal. Hopefully another big batch of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia votes will come in soon to settle the nerves.
CNN saying they think there are 500k left to count rather than 700k in PA. Should still be enough for Biden to edge in front but makes it more difficult.
So, I guess the election lady was hedging her bets when she said that PA *could* drag out until friday?
Why are we nervous now
By the current laws in place, that apparently was how it was intended all along, a result being determined late in the week.
Because it basically couldn’t be any tighter.
Ok, so Georgia may be finished first then. If Biden takes that and Nevada, then we may already have a winner around 6 pm in central Europe.
PA will probably take the longest, but what about North Carolina? It's probably the least likely state for Biden out of the remaining(not counting Alaska), but it would be nice to get it out of the way.
Because nothing’s happening. It’s like an international break or someone out injured, some mental gymnastics are involved in re-rating players & teams.
The trend is said to be that a lot of postal votes are democrats. What I heard on 5Live
Also because the release of the vote count was one of the few things that has happened in the last few hours and it was positive, if expected, for Trump. One piece of news gets released during a critical time in an election process, a time that is also devoid of any real news, and people are going to run with it and potentially overreact. It is normal
Yep. No reason to think a long term trend has suddenly reversed due to inactivity. Nor is there enough ballots remaining if it did to ultimately matter.
Thoughts while biting nails and pondering results. There was an anthropology book called On Kings out a couple of years ago. It contained some curious insights around the relationship between ruled and rulers, especially in ancient societies. Kings had to be outrageous. There was the need for the king to be exotic: A stranger. A hero.
The ruler needed god-like qualities, but also to be sometimes vulnerable. There was a whole section on the king as baby, with nursemaids. He was watched closely. The well-being of people and the land depended on the king. It was a sort of magical thinking. There is a hint that they knew it didn’t make much sense, but it felt right. Of course things could turn: the king could be a scapegoat too.
In a way that’s what reality TV does. It’s an alternative truth, a soap opera dream with larger-than-life players. Trump is perfect in that role. Doesn’t matter that he owes four billion. His misdemeanors and locker room talk don’t hurt him like they would a “normal” candidate. He’s Donald. He’s ours. He’s so watchable.
Trump followers/voters behave like they are caught up in a millennial cult frenzy. Normal arguments around honour and morality don’t apply to their hero. But there is a downside. I suspect it will collapse awful fast if he loses. It would truly be a terrifying prospect were he to somehow win.
The ruler needed god-like qualities, but also to be sometimes vulnerable. There was a whole section on the king as baby, with nursemaids. He was watched closely. The well-being of people and the land depended on the king. It was a sort of magical thinking. There is a hint that they knew it didn’t make much sense, but it felt right. Of course things could turn: the king could be a scapegoat too.
In a way that’s what reality TV does. It’s an alternative truth, a soap opera dream with larger-than-life players. Trump is perfect in that role. Doesn’t matter that he owes four billion. His misdemeanors and locker room talk don’t hurt him like they would a “normal” candidate. He’s Donald. He’s ours. He’s so watchable.
Trump followers/voters behave like they are caught up in a millennial cult frenzy. Normal arguments around honour and morality don’t apply to their hero. But there is a downside. I suspect it will collapse awful fast if he loses. It would truly be a terrifying prospect were he to somehow win.
Biden has won everyone needs to chill.
If our children or grandchildren will learn about things like democracy, social media, fake news and stuff in 20 years time, they will have class material about these last 48 hours. Some stunning stuff in there from the Trump side.
I think you make a lot of sense here.
If Trump wins Arizona and holds on to his leads in both Pennsylvania and NC, is that enough for him?
Christ almighty why are these last few states taking so much longer than the rest of the country.
Yes, if he holds Georgia.
So nothing changed since last night? Still waiting on NV and AZ?
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