2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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SirAF said:
«Even Biden» :lol:

Biden and the Democrats ARE on the right. They are just left of The Republicans, because the GOP are so batshit far gone. GOP are so nuts that they make The Dems look like what you guys call «liberals».
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Sounds about right, all a matter of perspective.
 
SirAF said:
«Even Biden» :lol:

Biden and the Democrats ARE on the right. They are just left of The Republicans, because the GOP are so batshit far gone. GOP are so nuts that they make The Dems look like what you guys call «liberals». There is no «left» to talk of in the US.
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Yep. Whether you are only ankle deep in batshittery or neck deep in batshittery, the effects are still much the same. There could be some variance due to how one views social issues, but you’re basically flawed at the core if you are a Trump-voting republican due to believing any semblance of the batshit.
 
rpitroda said:
If that’s the case Georgia goes blue. That Fulton vote will be something like 30K blue 7K red.
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Lead was 33,300 then. It’s 23,600 now, so about a third of that is accounted for.

I’m of the same belief, but we have to wait until they finish the count to make definitive call.
 
finneh said:
Possibly... But only if the road in question had Karl Marx on one side and Bernie Sanders on the other.
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Rubbish. We have a few fairly far right and a few fairly far left but the majority of us aren't very far at all from the centre at all.
 
Should have had that 4th vote from Maine, then GA alone now would be enough to put Biden over the line.
 
Wibble said:
Rubbish. We have a few fairly far right and a few fairly far left but the majority of us aren't very far at all from the centre at all.
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The Caf isn't extreme but it'd be a bit disingenuous to deny it skews very much to the left. Just look at the poll at the top of the latest UK election thread. The clear majority opted for Labour - and well, let's just say that did not accurately reflect real life results.

Trump got around 48% of the vote tonight - if all Caftards had been eligible to vote but no one else I doubt he'd have broken 5%. We're very much non-representative of the general population when it comes to political opinion.
 
Wibble said:
Rubbish. We have a few fairly far right and a few fairly far left but the majority of us aren't very far at all from the centre at all.
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The Caf as a whole is probably tilts centre-left, socially progressive and amenable to redistributive economics. Still, even in that big picture, only 60/65% at best can be said to fall in that category (I’m just basing it on the would you vote Labour poll from several years ago).
 
Siorac said:
The Caf isn't extreme but it'd be a bit disingenuous to deny it skews very much to the left. Just look at the poll at the top of the latest UK election thread. The clear majority opted for Labour - and well, let's just say that did not accurately reflect real life results.

Trump got around 48% of the vote tonight - if all Caftards had been eligible to vote but no one else I doubt he'd have broken 5%. We're very much non-representative of the general population when it comes to political opinion.
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Being central doesn't mean you are reprenstative of the general population. The general population of both America and the UK are right leaning at the moment.
 
Wibble said:
Rubbish. We have a few fairly far right and a few fairly far left but the majority of us aren't very far at all from the centre at all.
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Oh come on you only need to look at the voting intentions on the UK general election thread to know that's nonsense.

Corbyn would have been elected with a 200 seat majority if the Cafe voting was representative of the country.
 
P-Nut said:
Being central doesn't mean you are reprenstative of the general population. The general population of both America and the UK are right leaning at the moment.
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And the general population will probably never be as left-leaning, in terms of ratios, as the Caf. I like this aspect of the place, honestly, and I see no reason to deny it. I said it before: we skew younger, more educated, more urban, generally speaking. To put it in US election terms, we're San Francisco.
 
If Trump wins Arizona somehow, and just about tips the GA as well and PA (after the decision by Supreme Court), would that be enough for him?
 
Rajma said:
If Trump wins Arizona somehow, and just about tips the GA as well and PA (after the decision by Supreme Court), would that be enough for him?
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Yes, that would get him the win (assuming North Carolina also stays red).

It's VERY unlikely, considering the numbers, but not impossible.
 
Just woke up, need to know how relieved I can be. So is it 253 for Biden as CNN has it or 264 as Politico has it?
 
finneh said:
Possibly... But only if the road in question had Karl Marx on one side and Bernie Sanders on the other.
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I'd agree redcafe is disproportionately on the left, although not the far left. But then what you define as far left is clearly defined by your own political orientation to begin with, it's not an objective description. There's a more vocal group of people who identify firmly as leftists that dominate many discussions, but they're a pretty small proportion of the overall contributors. They're just more involved for obvious reasons. Clearly most people are much closer to the centre than Bernie Sanders. Or perhaps your view of the centre is at odds with the current consensus in the real world.

What % of the UK population do you think share your political ideology?

Giggs86 said:
AP, Reuters, CBS/NBC for news. Joe Rogan is good for hearing both sides because he's having people on from both sides from Bernie to Alex Jones and he is calling them out when needed to so usually it's a good listen.
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Fair enough. I find it a little odd that you draw such a hard line between NBC and CNN personally, they both have a pretty clear bias from my perspective - at least how you're defining bias. Their most active contributors have a clearly defined set of values that are embedded in essentially all of their programming. And they've both been attacked by Trump for being fake news and the opposition party.

Don't you think Joe Rogan's talkshow is just a vehicle for libertarianism, the whole setup of it is embedded with a philosophy that establishes particular moral priorities, and his own voice always plays a strong part in the programming? So if that makes up a significant portion of your insight into arguments from both sides - as it does for many of his fans - then it will gradually frame all of your understanding of both sides through that libertarian lens, which by definition is the kind of bias you reject? Don't you think there's a reason why most of his fans share a similar political ideology to you?
 
SirAF said:
Jesus, they’re not done with NC either?
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No, and they like won't be for another week or so as NC allows mail ballots to arrive up to a week after Election Day, provided they are postmarked by Election Day at the latest.
 
finneh said:
Oh come on you only need to look at the voting intentions on the UK general election thread to know that's nonsense.

Corbyn would have been elected with a 200 seat majority if the Cafe voting was representative of the country.
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Of which very few people participated. You can't tell political leanings of the Caf from that especially as right wing voters tend to be more secrative about how they vote. Very few people admit they voted for Maggie yet......

And Corby was less left that the current Tory government is right and this place is predominantly Brits.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The Caf as a whole is probably tilts centre-left, socially progressive and amenable to redistributive economics. Still, even in that big picture, only 60/65% at best can be said to fall in that category (I’m just basing it on the would you vote Labour poll from several years ago).
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Centre being the operative word
 
Sky1981 said:
Biden needs to win Arizona, Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin . That's 270 and that's it.

Failing to win any of the above, Biden needs to win 1 more (Pensylvania/Georgia)
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Rather GA than PA then, right?? Given the possible legal battles in PA as far as I understand it...
 
Everyone keeps saying Nevada is a sure thing but everytime I look it just gets tighter. Edit. got the state wrong
 
Trump will attack any and everything if he loses. Including anyone working for him who is deemed not aggressive enough. Trump isn't in favour of democracy, a peaceful transition of power or even just peace in American streets. He doesn't care.

If America lets him steal this election through the courts it's beyond help.
 
Siorac said:
If Biden flips GA, Trump will attack that result, too, no doubt about it.
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I don't think it's that simple.

Unless he has a pee tape of the SCOTUS they'd probably rule according to how they should (i.e. the election is fair and square). They have their career years ahead of them, and helping trump doing a coup'detat infront of the whole world is probably too much (but off course we'll never know how far they'd go). They'd probably go along before the GE since there are possibilities of him winning, but once you cut of the head the rest of the dominoes will follow suit.

paying lip service and getting votes is one thing, tampering with GE that could result in an unlawful win is another.
 
Siorac said:
The Caf isn't extreme but it'd be a bit disingenuous to deny it skews very much to the left. Just look at the poll at the top of the latest UK election thread. The clear majority opted for Labour - and well, let's just say that did not accurately reflect real life results.

Trump got around 48% of the vote tonight - if all Caftards had been eligible to vote but no one else I doubt he'd have broken 5%. We're very much non-representative of the general population when it comes to political opinion.
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Non-Americans wanting Trump gone isn't about political orientation, it is about ridding the world of a dangerous lunatic who endangers us all.

And we have many thousands of members with the majority being British. That a few hundred (was it even that many?) said they would vote Labor doesn't mean much about the average Caf member. I'd say the deeply religious and athiests discuss religion and God the most but I'd guess the average Caf member is very reflective of the typically English religious outlook.
 
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