The more I hear about the way American schools operate, what teachers have to do and endure, the more I am convinced it has almost no connection to my profession here. I can't imagine I'd be a teacher if I moved there, no chance.
19 children and 2 teachers killed in Texas school shooting (24 May 2022)
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They'll just ban women.
Seen a brilliant comeback to someone blaming it on a transgender with mental health issues.... "will you vote for universal health care so everyone has access to mental health professionals?"
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They would rather traumatise a whole generation than implement the tiniest bit of gun control. How many of these kids are going to have emotional/mental health problems later in life over this type of thing. It really is incomprehensible.
Well if it came to a deterrent to Russia (or anyone else), I'd suggest that thousands of nuclear warheads + NATO membership outweighs Billy the Hick and his brothers with their 2nd Amendment guns and 400 rounds of ammunition.
But at least you've moved your 'argument' from the 18th century to 1942. Only another 80 years to go.
There's always stupid stances on Redcafe but given the context here, I thinks yours takes the year's top prize.
Also, this is Texas. As amazing a place as Austin is, and as cool as people in Dallas and San Antonio are, there is a bedrock of bone fecking stupid that has persisted since the Civil War. I love you Texas, but also, feck you, Texas.
That'd be the worst thing to happen because you just know they'd kill the shooter before they get to kill anyone and they'd have an I told you so moment. More guns is the answer, yada yada yada
As has already been pointed out prevalence of guns is key. It is an objective undeniable fact that high prevalence leads to a greater risk of this tradegy. America is in its own morbid version of a random control trial.
gun control would not work to reduce any material risk in the short term because there is too many guns.
uk gun control worked after dunblaine due to low prevalence as a starting point.
in Australia gun confiscation was required to immediately reduce prevalence to reduce risk dramatically.
language is important. Prevalence is key. Only an action of legislation that massively reduces that will work. Ted Cruz is right, gun control won’t work. Only confiscation.
gun control would not work to reduce any material risk in the short term because there is too many guns.
uk gun control worked after dunblaine due to low prevalence as a starting point.
in Australia gun confiscation was required to immediately reduce prevalence to reduce risk dramatically.
language is important. Prevalence is key. Only an action of legislation that massively reduces that will work. Ted Cruz is right, gun control won’t work. Only confiscation.
Well said. Worth remembering his own father was killed by a gunman, when he was young, so this is probably personal to him even if it didn't happen in the US.
His point about politicians simply wanting to stay in power is spot on. Most of these senior Republicans like Cocaine Mitch and Cancun Cruz probably couldn't give a shit about gun rights, and you certainly won't see them on the range. They just know how to pander to their base and their donors.
If America didn't have the military it had, other country would consider invading them to stop this kind of shit.
Read the comments and be amazed that this is America
Baffling how people can still think this. When has a ‘good guy with a gun’ ever actually stopped one of these? There was a trained security guard at the Buffalo shooting and he was killed just as easily as everyone else.
Google how many school shootings have happened in the UK after this very act as a a response to Dunblane
It's farcical that America is relying on the line 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' which was dated in the late 1700s and was based on the English Bill of Rights from the late 1600s. I mean how backwards can you get. The line doesn't even make sense anymore. I'm surprised America isn't mocked more for this. This should have been called out ages ago and politicians should have been more braver in trying to tackle the issue of gun control. But nothing will happen after this tragedy and there will be another one and another one because some politicians don't care and only care about their base and getting elected.
4th world country
Things like this are why I hate that I check the caf every morning when I wake up. So sad. 
Yes, but different guns as handgun and semi-autos are very hard to own, but still more. And an outright ban would be great.
This is the irony of course. “We need to treat mental health properly” when those most at risk cannot remotely afford it.
Like there's never been incidents of these people shooting innocent bystanders, PoC or just generally going on a shooting spree themselves.
This is the most simple, comic book thinking thinking (good Vs evil) that I'm not surprised it has taken hold in America, a country where the education system doesn't crack the top thirty.
Who on earth is invading the USA?!
I don't think this is an issue, moreso a news talking point. He had Kevlar on but if the armed cops shoot a man it'll still hurt a lot. It's not like the movies. Hell if they got him the leg, he'd go down
What I love about this, is that she thinks that these shootings have just started happening, not been an ever present in American society for thirty odd years.
It's terrifying knowing how many of these out of touch cnuts are in positions of power let alone living amongst us.
It's terrible how everyone is numb to this and expects to read about the next mass shooting on a daily basis. I heard on the telly this morning that there had been more mass shootings than actual days in 2022 thus far. It's incomprehensible to me. How can any modern country endorse the ownership of guns to this level and permit the purchase of military grade equipment (I must admit I am unaware of the guns used in this current shooting)?
I don't know how America fixes this. They're probably past the point of no return, the country is flooded with arms, and an amnesty won't work top the desired effect, I wouldn't imagine. Maybe that line is defeatist, as this can't be allowed to keep happening, but how this can be done and enforced is difficult.
For the self proclaimed greatest country in world, there is not a hope in hell I would ever want to live there and become a part of their system, or worse still, send my kids to their schools.
I don't know how America fixes this. They're probably past the point of no return, the country is flooded with arms, and an amnesty won't work top the desired effect, I wouldn't imagine. Maybe that line is defeatist, as this can't be allowed to keep happening, but how this can be done and enforced is difficult.
For the self proclaimed greatest country in world, there is not a hope in hell I would ever want to live there and become a part of their system, or worse still, send my kids to their schools.
The aliens.
Leading cause of death in children under 18 in America:
Gunshot wounds.
Gunshot wounds.
This is actually my conspiracy theory; the reason why they have such a large military is because they know aliens exist and are preparing to fight them.
Honestly I've not seen an argument like that peddled even by the weirdest pro gun dudes. Pure fantasy stuff.
Love how you'll hear "arm the teachers" then also hear "don't pay teachers more"
If I want to get a gun right now and go kill 20 people, I would have no idea to even start. Where do I get an illegal gun, with whom should I talk to get one, and it will probably cost a shitload. In case of big guns like AR-15, it would be close to impossible to get one.
If I want to do the same in the US, I would go to Walmart, buy it and then start killing people.
Or schools
For that argument to apply so absolutely you'd have to assume that getting a gun illegally is as easy as getting one legally, wouldn't you? I'm sure a lot of people could get a gun either way, but others wouldn't. The latest shooter waited until his 18th birthday before he could buy one legally. Is it really a foregone conclusion to say better gun control would not have prevented this?
To be fair they are trained to do this in the UK too. There's just a smaller chance of needing to do it, and a smaller chance of it being because someone has entered with a gun.
@SportingCP96 there goes your revolutionary, never-heard-before, arguments advocating for more trained and armed school security and law enforcement
And he/she can also Google gun murders.
A quick search says we had 30 in 2020, America had over 14,000.
People who try to justify it are part of the problem.
Then you remember that some of the politicians who back the 2nd Amendment use the sanctity of life to explain their anti abortion stance (regardless of circumstances) and you have to laugh? Or cry.
I've not heard of any training or policy in the UK which states this.
Yeah blame it on mental health when you can't blame it on terrorism. The thing is this cnuts are responsible for the toxic atmosphere in the country.
Sometimes you become numb to these numbers, but this is more people than who have been killed by all the missile strikes on Lviv by Russia so far.
My wife works in a school, she's never been told this.
I will never understand the US. The country with many of the brightest minds and that leads so much of the technological/scientific/economic of the world is also half populated by people who have an outlook of life similar to that of a medieval warlord.