4 midtable players and a championship player. Wouldn't be overjoyed I must admit.
100m budget for 2019 Summer window
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nah... thats surely Europa league level... might even fluke a CL spot with chelsea's transfer ban
Spot on. We already have the most expensive squad in the league, in terms of wages. We spent our money, and we spent it badly.
From here on out, it’s a process of trying to buy 1 or 2 good players each summer and slowly transform the squad over the next 5 years, while growing revenue to hopefully ease the burden of the stupid wages we’re paying our players.
Fellaini, Herrera and Valencia (all likely high earners) are now off the books. So far we've only used that wage allocation with a promising youngster who'll likely be on a fraction of the wages the aforementioned were on. Granted we are missing out on CL money the coming season, there should be more than enough wage budget freed up to sign 2 more high earners. This is without taking into equation other players who will be offloaded this summer. No doubt we will try to sell Darmian and Rojo which should free up enough wage budget for a further signing. No excuses not to recruit 2 more starters and 1 squad player. AWB will be one of those starters, so I'd expect 2 more signings after that.
What they earned would not pay Sanchez.
That's not really the point, I wasn't talking about wage budget but where the money already went. And you are not talking about a lot of money here, it's at best 20m.
We bought Sanchez with those players already on the books so obviously the capacity is there.
It is Sanchez who really needs to go to free up wages though, we could get a couple of top players for those wages. Don't think they want to pay the fees though, they will get fleeced for English players, but the world class players it is to me just posturing to make us look like we are still in the loop.
20m should be enough to sign 3 good players (averaging at about 130k a week wage) or 2 top earners. The main bummer is that we didn't receive a fee for Herrera or Valencia. Can't even remember what we got for Fellaini but don't think it was much.
No one is going to pay Sanchez's wage. We are stuck with him unfortunately. The only realistic option is to sell him on the cheap while still paying a portion of his wages which isn't ideal but might be our best choice for re-establishing wage structure and squad harmony.
In hindsight it was a ridiculous decision to buy him. You wonder if City led us down the garden path a bit with both him and Fred.
Again that's not the point. I was talking about where the money went, I'm not talking about whether we have room in our wage budget. The money that went into wages for players that didn't warrant it, is where our potential transfer budget went, that's why we have that type of operating expenses.
!00 million sounds like a good money. If we manage to sell Lukaku, Darmian, Jones and deadwood like so, i think we can add to the 100 million in hand. Wan Bissaka, Fernandes must for any kind of improvement to this team. Ole has to work very hard this summer to get this team to perform at its best this upcoming season. He needs to install qualities that can make them winners. Right now we are a bunch that will be criticized week after week for not giving their all.
We definitely need a leader and i think Koulibaly or Maguire is a must for that, although it looks like that's not going to happen. I hope that Ole can make Pogba his new captain and let him bring this group together. I think Pogba likes responsibilities and does well when challenged.
We definitely need a leader and i think Koulibaly or Maguire is a must for that, although it looks like that's not going to happen. I hope that Ole can make Pogba his new captain and let him bring this group together. I think Pogba likes responsibilities and does well when challenged.
Oh, well of course we've spent horribly over the past few years; over paying for dross and gifting upgraded contracts to sub par players. But the theory, at least for the latter part, is that the owners are saving money by extending contracts to existing players rather than turning to the transfer market for replacements.
And that theory is stupid beyond belief and the point that I was making, the club isn't saving money at all which is a fact not a theory. The main reason we aren't spending more on the transfer market, for a club that rich, is because our financial power is wasted on these wages, in theory for the type of results that we have we should be spending a lot less but we spend like the best teams in the world and these best teams find the way to also spend less for the most part and put money on the side for future spendings while we spend all our money year in year out.
This football club has had two major issues in the last six years, too much money wasted on wages and transfer fees for subpar players. It's essentially a problem of resource efficiency.
I don't really agree with this kind of statement because it makes it appear that the Glazers have invested enough even if you don't say that specifically. Why the fallow period between 2005-2010? Why did we only really start spending after we finished 7th? Why are we trying to buy players in a bull market rather than having pursued a strategy of steady accumulation when we were on top? Why have we seemingly now stopped investing again? Why do we have so much deadwood in the squad? Why have we had wingers at fullback and forwards on the wing season after season? By position, where do each of our signings rank against the top fee's paid for players in those positions by the most ambitious clubs?* If you answer all of those questions properly and truthfully, the answers point back to the Glazers not wanting to invest or not having the means to invest.
We've also addressed this point about wages a thousand times. Our wages as a percentage of turnover is currently between 45%/50%. As it was in 2005. As it was in 2010. As it was in 2015. As it will almost certainly be in 2025. If the turnover of the club increases, the wage bill will increase accordingly. This is just basic market forces and the club setting the 50% upper limit. I am fine with this btw....I am not criticising the 50% limit per se as it seems responsible to me. I am just saying this does not 'prove' or demonstrate adequate spending
*The point here is that we are no longer shopping in the top tier. We might have a seemingly expensive-looking squad on paper because we have needed to replace so many players just as the market went crazy, whereas other teams where far better prepared. However, over the next 2/3 seasons I fully expect other teams to assemble FAR more expensive squads as they start replacing key players in this current market
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This club is finished summer of 2018 said we spend 200-250m we spent less the 40m net. This season they say 100m. That means we only going to be spending 20m max
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No point waiting and dreaming this year something will change. Can only hope that by 2025 glazer and Ed have left the club.
Like I said Ole will be sacked before 2020
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No point waiting and dreaming this year something will change. Can only hope that by 2025 glazer and Ed have left the club.
Like I said Ole will be sacked before 2020
Not sure where to put this, but they did a great one on Spurs I posted in their thread.
Everything makes sense now The scary thing is this kind of analytical Data-driven approach is now widely accepted as the norm and even part-time YouTube scouts put more effort into analysing players than we do.
Being as this is RedCafe and someone will immediately jump to the defence of the club by saying 'ah but how do you KNOW we aren't taking this Data-driven approach?' let me just suggest as evidence;
Rojo - signed because Van Gaal admitted to being 'mesmerised' by his World Cup 2014 performances
Victor Valdes - known to Van Gaal
Sergio Romero - known to Van Gaal
Blind - signed because Van Gaal knew and trusted him
Depay - signed because Van Gaal knew him from Dutch squad
Lindelof - signed on recommendation of contact of Jose's
Dalot - signed on recommendation of contact of Jose's
Fred - seemingly signed because City wanted him
Sanchez - seemingly signed because City wanted him
Angel Di Maria - big name that became available
Falcao - big name that became available
Schweinsteiger - big name that became available, van Gaal knew him very well
Lukaku - Jose knew him from Chelsea
Matic - Jose knew him from Chelsea
All of the above signings demonstrate to me that we are still relying on either 'names', managers contacts or personal recommendations - as opposed to having a well-established team of analysts scouring the market and proving recommendations
Data-driven approaches don't always work out either as they don't account for league disparity, other factors contributing to the stats themselves. This place would loose their fecking shit if we signed the converted winger from Eibar as a RB.
Who said that they don't? I don't know what they do in football but in other sports, the league and specificity of the leagues are taken into account. A simple example would be NCAA vs NFL not only the difference between these two are taken into account but they also take into account the difference between NCAA conferences. The same thing is true for Hockey.
That is a very intelligent comment and one that I whole-heartedly endorse. As someone who has aspirations to be a professional gambler and someone who uses a Data-driven approach to making money on horse racing, I fully appreciate that there are HUGE problems with just saying 'player X has won on average 3.2 duels a game compared to Smalling who has won an average of 2.8...therefore the former is the better player'.
I am talking generally though. I would much rather us go down the Data-driven approach and accept it's still not a 'sure' bet than just rely on a network of our managers old mates and contacts
Guys we are struggling to sign AWB when we are the only club interested in him so honestly what hope do we have of signing a player who has a few other clubs chasing him
I know that it breaks the narrative but James, AWB, Maguire and Fernandes would be a very decent summer imo if we can get the deals done
Hardly that much of a struggle when he is going to be signed before the end of June.
I don’t know for sure, I just meant based on that video where they suggested purely based on stats and didn’t really mentioned the leagues, like when they compared aguilars crossing to that of dalots. I’m not entirely sure that should be a straight comparison.
I'd be very happy if that was to be our Summer. Fills 4 big squad gaps.
Your first sentence was very general that's why I gave you that answer. What you see in that video is basically whoscored reading not an analytical approach and definitely not a professional approach. Like I said I don't know what data analysts do in football but here you have an example of what some can do in the NFL, it's a tiny bit more complicated than that video and it's one of the inspiration used by other sport.
Based on the fact we have spent 50M on Wan-Bissaka Today i'm calling B.S
For fun
Let’s say the £100m figure was true and we sell nobody.
We have £35m left.
With £35m total improve all the areas that need improving. (CB and CM minimum imo, but you’ll have your own opinions)
Let’s say the £100m figure was true and we sell nobody.
We have £35m left.
With £35m total improve all the areas that need improving. (CB and CM minimum imo, but you’ll have your own opinions)
Yeah, of course, I couldn't fully comment on that with any authority, that as to why it was pretty general to what I posted. I'm sure there are far more advance techniques, and if anyone could enlighten me from a football perspective, I would be most greatful!
Man after my own heart
. I do agree with you, probably have to move away from an old boys club approach.Alderweireld and Rabiot would probably be the best you can get in those two positions for that much (with £10M left over).
We seriously need to sell some players anyway and would likely rack in 100m if we did, plus a big chunk of wages. I'm sure we have plenty more money to buy.
Pogba and Lukaku are goners, so we can hopefully get close to 200m to reinvest in the side.
I would like to know more about football myself, now it was mentioned not so long ago that a lot of older managers, the ones in their fifties and even late fourties are for a large part reluctant to use these tools, they choose to rely on guts and eye test. On example was with substitutions and rotations, nowadays managers have the ability to know when a player is in the red or close to it but not all of them use it, some don't even want trackers.
It'd only lack an attacking player (striker or right winger) for me, James cannot be expected to be performing like a starter would, at least not at the beginning